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Has anyone heard anything about chemist working on ammunition with a 5 month shelf life(vanity)
8/21/11 | vanity

Posted on 08/21/2011 3:13:27 PM PDT by BBell

So I'm at the local sports big box store and a clerk from the gun counter tells me that the government has chemist working on ammunition that will only have a 5 month shelf life. I tell him I never heard of this. He tells me to look it up. So I went home and I did. All I could find on the internet were rumors, nothing solid.

I ask a fellow I know who works in the sporting section at Walmart about this. He told me he has had several people ask him if our ammo is the kind with the short shelf life. He says he has never heard of ammo with a short shelf life.

Does anyone out here in Freeper land know anything about this? I think it sounds like B.S but then again nothing would surprise me with the current administration.


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1 posted on 08/21/2011 3:13:31 PM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell

I am an NRA member and I’ve not seen anything about this in the NRA magazines.


2 posted on 08/21/2011 3:14:33 PM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell

It wouldn’t surprise me. I think I’ll start learning how to reload.


3 posted on 08/21/2011 3:14:54 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: BBell

While I have no doubt that someone, somewhere is indeed working on this I have seen no evidence that it’s come anywhere close to fruition. Properly stored commercial ammunition will last decades.


4 posted on 08/21/2011 3:15:46 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BBell

They might- but since longer lasting ammunition is a known technology it wouldn’t work- some smart guy would be selling contraband ammo out of the back of his Cadillac Escalade....


5 posted on 08/21/2011 3:16:49 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: BBell

Talk about planned obsolescence.


6 posted on 08/21/2011 3:17:05 PM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: BBell

There is no such thing.

I am sure short shelf-life ammunition could be created, but nobody would want it.....even the military.

You would need an act of Congress to mandate its use and that would create a firestorm in itself.

This is just one of those stupid rumors that people waste their time on rather than focusing on the real issues.


7 posted on 08/21/2011 3:17:08 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: BBell

would that be like those movies on DVD that would play 2 or 3 times and then go poof, LOL Ammo going poof if you don’t use in time


8 posted on 08/21/2011 3:18:33 PM PDT by molson209
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To: BBell
chemist working on ammunition that will only have a 5 month shelf life

I'd recommend that Chemist get himself some kind of insurance.

If he's only got five months I expect most insurance companies won't cover him.

Pre-existing condition, that five month shelf life.

Or hell, maybe he should just take a cruise and have a
huge fun time if he's going to snuff it in a few months.

Interesting question.

9 posted on 08/21/2011 3:19:29 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: BBell

I doubt the ammo makers would want to assume any of the liability that would inevitably be pinned on them when somebody was brutally murdered because the ammo in their self-defense weapon was five months and one day old.


10 posted on 08/21/2011 3:19:50 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: BBell

Sounds like something Microsoft would sell.


11 posted on 08/21/2011 3:20:23 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: BBell
I would suspect that it would not be too awful hard to come up with a way to render powder impotent after a certain time. If the powder will not ignite and burn, a bullet is just a couple of pieces of metal wedged together.
By screwing with the powder they also render the re loaders impotent.
I would not put it past the Federals.
12 posted on 08/21/2011 3:20:23 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: BBell

I heard the same rumor back during the Clinton administration. It was not true then either. A five month shelf life would not be an on/off switch situation (i.e. at five months the powder suddenly stops working.) It would be a gradual deterioration that would mean weaker and weaker powder. This would lead to rounds stuck in barrels and barrels and actions exploding when the next round was fired.

No company would sell such powder because of the lawsuits. Besides those who still have guns (lost mine in a tragic boating accident) already have enough ammo for CWII.


13 posted on 08/21/2011 3:20:37 PM PDT by american_ranger
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To: lacrew
Sounds like something Microsoft would sell.

How did everyone skip past your post without a well-deserved LOL???? (LOL)

14 posted on 08/21/2011 3:22:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: BBell

Just buy Milsurplus.
They would never mess with the military’s ammo.


15 posted on 08/21/2011 3:24:17 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: american_ranger

>>esides those who still have guns (lost mine in a tragic boating accident) <<

If that had happened to me during my 1st marriage I would have had more guns and less alimony....


16 posted on 08/21/2011 3:28:08 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: BBell

I’m sure they are paying someone to look into this. Why not? They spend money on all kinds of stupid studies and things like teaching African guys (in Africa) that they should wash their private parts.

In this case it boils down to chemistry. Read the part about instability and stabilization at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokeless_powder. No doubt the goobamint types would love to have a self-expiring type of ammo so they could cut off supplies and just wait around. Then they could say they “made the world safer”. IMHO, I’ve made the world “safer” by having ammo that will be useful for the next 30 years or so.


17 posted on 08/21/2011 3:30:41 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: BBell

What if the federal government put a tax of $10,000 per box? Or the states too? Make it too expensive. A firearm is just a piece of iron if you can’t get bullets for it.


18 posted on 08/21/2011 3:31:29 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: SkyDancer

I remember Patrick Moynihan and Ted Kennedy were amongst others who wanted to tax the heck out of ammo. It never went anywhere, even when the Dems controlled both houses.


19 posted on 08/21/2011 3:39:40 PM PDT by BBell
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To: BBell

We need to know the name of the clerk that let the secret out of the bag. Also, we have agents posted outside all of your homes. Please answer the door politely and come with us.

Agent 00005.5


20 posted on 08/21/2011 3:40:15 PM PDT by macquire
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To: GenXteacher

Right wing spoil sport. Always posting the common sense answer...


21 posted on 08/21/2011 3:40:59 PM PDT by macquire
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To: BBell

total BS


22 posted on 08/21/2011 3:41:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: SkyDancer

And just exactly HOW would they put that tax on? It would take a bill coming out of: THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES and it would have to get through a Cloture vote by 60 Senators. Now I know there are more than a handful of wacked out Democrats in the House & Senate that are to the left of Fidel Castro - but I guarantee you such a bill would NEVER EVER see the light of day in Committee in the House no matter how many Democrats ran it.


23 posted on 08/21/2011 3:43:53 PM PDT by macquire
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To: BBell

Okay, thanks, but I’d be willing to bet if/when things get worse i.e. more and more gang shootings that at least some states (IL, MI, CA) would enact some sort of high tax.


24 posted on 08/21/2011 3:44:49 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: BBell

There were urban legends during the early days of the Clintonista regime about this. If I remember it correctly, the primers were the fictitious target of obsolescence. This caused a run on existing stocks.

Many of us simply discovered the merits of surplus ammo about this time. I can remember buying surplus 7.62x51 NATO for a little as 15 cents a round. A hundred dollar bill would get you over a thousand rounds of commie 7.62x39.

Those days are gone.


25 posted on 08/21/2011 3:46:18 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: BBell

I wonder what spoiled bullets would smell like.

“Honey, fer cryin’ out loud will you throw out those bullets, they are stinking the place up”


26 posted on 08/21/2011 3:47:14 PM PDT by RetSignman (It's Summertime...the "Goebbles Warmers" are back from hibernation.)
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To: macquire

Could happen maybe on a state level? I’m thinking of Chicago, IL - lots of gang shooting going on. Maybe the governor would do an executive order of some sort. Who knows. But I think that attacking the gun issue from the bullet side would somehow affect gun control in some way. They couldn’t go to another state to buy un-taxed bullets because you’d have to show a DL to buy them.


27 posted on 08/21/2011 3:47:47 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: BBell; All
This is absolute B.S.

The spreading of such false rumors is what precipitated the "Hillary Panic of 1993" and caused massive over-buying of primers by gullible consumers which resulted in a genuine shortage for over a year.

I spent my career working for the largest ammunition manufacturer and spent 7 years as the "Primer Engineer". The technology described does not exist and will not exist. Period!

It is an extreme disservice to propagate such unfounded rumors.

28 posted on 08/21/2011 3:49:27 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: BBell

Wasn’t there something also about only allowed two boxes of bullets per purchase per month or something? I remember going with my dad to Cabela’s and the lady behind the counter mentioned something that it’d go into effect in July of 2009?


29 posted on 08/21/2011 3:51:00 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
"You would need an act of Congress to mandate its use"

Or an Executive Order. I have seen no evidence anyone would challenge it. Look at the amnesty that was granted with one. In the new world, the Constitution means less to the ruling class then the paper it was written on.
30 posted on 08/21/2011 3:51:00 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: SkyDancer

oh good grief.

uh...it ain’t happening.


31 posted on 08/21/2011 3:51:39 PM PDT by macquire
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To: macquire

Who knows. Lot’s of kookie things coming out of Congress of late.


32 posted on 08/21/2011 3:53:28 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: lacrew
“Sounds like something Microsoft would sell.”

- To solve the problem of your gun not firing, we suggest you do a clean install. This will consist of complete dis-assembly of your gun, your house, and your neighbors house, and then reassembly.

- We strongly suggest you upgrade to Bullets 7.0

- Try racking the slide of your gun three times, while simultaneously moving the holster loop back and forth and applying the safety on alternate steps. If this doesn't fix the problem, a clean install is recommended.

- Your gun not firing is actually a feature not a bug, designed into the bullets to prevent you from damaging your hearing.

33 posted on 08/21/2011 3:53:58 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: lacrew
Sounds like something Microsoft would sell.

The Steve Jobs' version is even worse: You only get to keep licensing the ammo, and the license agreement requires you to give the rights to all your guns to Apple.

34 posted on 08/21/2011 3:55:54 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Gone With the Wind: bad melodrama; worse history. A chick holding a radish up to the sky? Seriesly?)
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To: Buffalo Head

Never interrupt a good panic attack with a reliable first hand observation, Buffalo Head. {grin}

For the sake of playing, “what if?”
Suppose electric ignition arms and cartridges became popular some day in the future.... THIS technology could easily be corrupted.


35 posted on 08/21/2011 3:58:59 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: BBell

Pure, 100% unadulterated BS.

Anything that would break down would be absolutely unreliable in a firearm. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that it wouldn’t fire at all on the date of manufacture.

Ammunition can last over a hundred years or more, depending upon the method of storage.

Vanity: Just reloadded 2000rnds of 9mm today. My locker is nearly full ;)


36 posted on 08/21/2011 4:00:36 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: BBell

That’s B.S. perpetuated by anti-Second-Amendment homos. Such ammo would cause squibs and get many people killed.


37 posted on 08/21/2011 4:04:41 PM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: Tupelo

Ummm, you can make your own powder...

World’s oldest recipe.


38 posted on 08/21/2011 4:05:27 PM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: Buffalo Head; BBell; mnehring; Lurker; GenXteacher; Maceman; Erik Latranyi; humblegunner; ...
The capability exists: US Patent 5773748 issued 1998 for limited-life cartridge primers:
Another object of the invention is to provide an explosive detonator or cartridge primer that uses an inorganic reactive multilayer to ignite the standard chemical initiators used in commercially available detonators and primers.

Another object of the invention is to provide methods for fabricating limited-life cartridge primers wherein the functional service life of the primer can be predetermined by the structural design and material composition selected for the inorganic reactive multilayer (RML) used as the primary initiator.

If legislation came out banning all ammo except the above ammo, then the government could cut off ammo supplies at any time. Of course, any attempt by the government to do so would immediately be seen for what it was.
39 posted on 08/21/2011 4:06:04 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: labette
Adding to post #39, the inventor of the limited-life primer was granted a new patent Patent 6881284 Issued on April 19, 2005 for another variant on his limited-life cartridge primer.
40 posted on 08/21/2011 4:13:00 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625

AND it all runs on a battery.

I am really laughing now.


41 posted on 08/21/2011 4:16:31 PM PDT by macquire
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To: BBell

Is this another lesbian story?


42 posted on 08/21/2011 4:20:36 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: PapaBear3625

Pass me the humble pie.

I may not like what I read, but I genuinely appreciate the correction.


43 posted on 08/21/2011 4:21:39 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: lacrew

About 10 or so years ago I worked for a co which needed more
speed from a higher priced ‘professional class’ video card product line than from it’s lower priced ‘consumer’ model.

The parts used in the two cards were mostly identical where it mattered.

One was for ‘serious’ apps like Solidworks, the other was for gamers, poseurs, or Flash artists.

They had different drivers and different GPU clock speeds as sold. Russian hackers figured out that they could create a new firmware download for the GPU and the proper Windows registry/ini file incantations to allow the cheap card to use the expensive card’s driver.

Since the Russian gamers had figured out how to speed up the GPU clock the only way to go was to detect the card’s
id string and add sleeps to the software rendering pipeline, according to the card’s price point.

This is a common buisness problem, how to create an illusion of more value for $$.


44 posted on 08/21/2011 4:24:18 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (The Democrat Party is a continuing criminal enterprise..)
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To: BBell

A few highly placed members of the radical left (incl. some in the Obama Administration) have been spreading such rumors for the purpose of making ammunition supplies more expensive and harder for redneck trash like us to get.

The rumors are started and continued in conservative discussion venues mainly by socialist/police state infiltrators.


45 posted on 08/21/2011 4:26:47 PM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: SkyDancer
Posting unfounded rumors is an extremely cruel and destructive disservice to people who read (and might believe) such drivel.
46 posted on 08/21/2011 4:27:10 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: patton

Produced with great care suitable for muzzle loaders and such.


47 posted on 08/21/2011 4:29:06 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: labette

I can imagine far more terrible “What if” scenarios. Why waste peoples time?


48 posted on 08/21/2011 4:30:39 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: PapaBear3625
Please understand that patents are issued based upon the inventors “claims” not substantiated fact. My comments stand.
49 posted on 08/21/2011 4:34:09 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: BBell
Yes, mayonnaise is mixed with the powder and after five months the mayo has gone rancid and spoiled ruining the ammo. Storing in a cool place will prolong shelf life.
50 posted on 08/21/2011 4:34:40 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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