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"TOKYO ROVE" STRIKES AGAIN
Tea Party Tribune ^ | Wednesday, August 24, 2011 | Anthony James

Posted on 08/24/2011 8:49:15 PM PDT by Gargantua

TOKYO ROVE” STRIKES AGAIN
© 2011 by Anthony James

Sour Grapes Karl Just Can’t Help Himself.

As former president Ronald Reagan would say, “There you go again, Karl.”

On Wednesday evening on Greta Van Susteren’s top-rated FOX TV news and talk show, “On The Record,” former Bush political adviser and the man euphemistically referred to as “The Architect” for his alleged contributions to George W. Bush’s winning campaign strategies in 2000 and 2004, Karl Rove just inexplicably and repeatedly soiled himself in front of the American public again and again.

Greta had asked him why he felt it was that the slightest mention of Gov. Sarah Palin set the parallel worlds of political punditry and media mouthpieces into an instant tailspin. In typical nonresponsive politico-speak, Rove completely avoided the question and instead dove into a gratuitous and revealing set of disingenuous canards with the obvious goal of again besmirching the good name of Gov. Sarah Palin.

First, Rove repeatedly referred to the SarahPAC response to media speculation (including my own) that Sarah would use the upcoming September 3rd Tea Party gathering in Iowa as the launchpad for officially announcing her presidential intentions in 2012 directly implying that the response came from Gov. Palin herself, and not from the political action committee which frequently speaks in justifiable defense of her without her explicit awareness, knowledge or approval.

Having erected this disingenuous strawman at which to throw his inane barbs and arrows, Rove went on to state, “If she doesn’t want people speculating about whether or not she’s running, there’s a very simple remedy. She can just come right out and say I’m not “running.”’ Here, again, Rove’s Freudian slip is exposed as he jumped in one sentence from misrepresenting what it was that SarahPAC actually objected to to laying bare his most fervent personal wish. What Sarah pack had objected to was not the media speculating about whether Sarah would run, but that she intended to announce that decision in Iowa two Saturdays from now. Karl’s deceit here was subtle enough to go unnoticed by the casual observer, which I am sure was his despicably calculated intention, but it was all-important nonetheless. His most fervent wish is quite obviously that Sarah would not run for president in 2012.

Having already committed what would be several cardinal sins for any nationally televised political pundit, which is of course blatantly and openly lying in an attempt to deceive the viewing public, Rove then threw caution to the wind and went nuclear with this patently absurd diatribe: “If Palin’s gonna be this thin skinned about something so simple as the media speculating on her candidacy, how can she possibly hope to withstand the pressure of the office of president?” I’m paraphrasing here, but that is distinctly the gist of his most absurd outburst to date.

Thin-skinned? Sarah Palin thin-skinned? Never in the centuries long history of American political discourse has any one political figure been subjected to such vulgar, untruthful, vituperous excoriation as has Sarah Palen on a nonstop weekly basis for the last three years running. She has taken every disgustingly vitriolic and unfair assault upon her person, her family, and even her baby born with Down’s Syndrome, and yet there she stands; strong, smiling, as bright and shining as a new penny. Undefatigable and ineluctable. Look it up.

For this “yesterday’s-news” political hack to call Sarah Palin thin-skinned accomplishes only one purpose, notwithstanding its accomplishment has been long overdue. His entire screed, manufactured out of whole cloth in non-response to a question that was about something completely different was undeniably way out of line, off base, and patently deceitful. But this last uncalled for jab that Sarah Palin establishes only one thing very clearly:

Karl Rove cannot be trusted. He is a deceitful dinosaur who has long outlived his usefulness to the political process, and who has now proven unequivocally that his agenda, however vile, will always trump the far more pressing need for the truth.

The advent of The Tea Party and their improbable and historic victory last November in sweeping over over 70 Republicans into what were previously Democrat-held seats in the House of Representatives proves beyond any shadow of a doubt that the old-school, old guard, old-fashioned political “ experts”like Karl Rove are as tone deaf about, and useless to, the current political process as would be a “Town Crier.” That this would engender in Rove a deep and bitter resentment is perhaps expected, but that it would cause him to so blatantly mislead the American viewing public on a top-rated national news and talk show is a sure sign that his time, and his usefulness, has come and gone.

The American public is completely disgusted with the political process, the Beltway denizens who take them for granted and call them “terrorists” for merely disagreeing, and for trying to lay at the doorstep of the nation’s voters the horrific financial plight that we are in in a despicable attempt to pretend that this blood is on our hands and not theirs, all are emphatic reasons why we need more honesty and candid political discourse, and much less of the vile, deceitful projectile excreta we heard from Karl Rove this evening.

It is precisely this reason, among many others, why Sarah Palin is such a sought after and cherished breath of fresh air in an atmosphere made cloyingly nauseating by the stench of the liars and prostitutes in D.C. who feign a far nobler ambition in the name of American politics.

Even as the sun sets on Karl Rove and his ilk, it rises on Gov. Palin and the promise of the new day that she ushers in with her to an American public absolutely starved for it.

As former President Ronald Reagan also used to say, ”It’s morning in America.”


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To: Gargantua; casinva
"If you can, please post one item... just one... where I "mock" Sarah Palin."

So, "Cas," just as I thought. All empty accusations, not a shred of evidence to support your insipid drivel. Now whose "hand is showing," Sherlock? You crackpots are so uniformly unimpressive. You were smart to quit when you did. My grandfather used to explain your type thus:

"The higher the chimp climbs the tree, the more people can see his ass."

Buh-bye.

51 posted on 08/25/2011 2:19:21 PM PDT by Gargantua ("I hope Palin is announcing on September 3rd in Indianola, Iowa")
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To: Gargantua

You must have missed this one from SarahPAC:

From: http://www.sarahpac.com/posts/setting-the-record-straight-wrong-and-misleading

Any professional pundit claiming to have “inside information” regarding Governor Palin’s personal decision is not only wrong but their comments are specifically intended to mislead the American public.

Since you wrote the article, I assume you are a “professional”. Even Sarah Palin has warned us such claims are “not only wrong but intended to mislead the American public”.

Your signature is a huge beef with me in that, if I am to believe SarahPAC, I am to take those words you are printing as wrong and misleading.

Maybe the change you made in your signature will be enough to count, but I would seriously consider if it is in her best interest to have that there.

From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAn8gOH8kC8&feature=player_embedded

Mark Levin suggests Karl Rove leaking and promoting the thought that Sarah Palin will announce on September 3 is nothing more than a set up to hurt her.

Hear Mark Levin in the link above.

Mark Levin addresses the fact that if Sarah Palin does not enter the race on that date, Karl Rove has just made her look bad. Add to this that if she DOES on that day, she will now look like she felt she had to or look bad, and that is a compromised position as well.

For you to have the signature which is widely disseminating that idea which Sarah’s voice on SarahPac says is ‘wrong and misleading’ and which inconveniently sets Sarah Palin up for a bad situation regardless of what she does that day, I can’t see how you are helping her any right now.

For the other posts I have commented on, do you know what hyperbole is? If not, please check the dictionary definition, and you’ll see how I see your posts as satirical.

As for my previous posts, yes, I do have both good and not-so-good things I see in both Rick Perry and Sarah Palin. I do not treat either as a cult leader. That is why you probably see me discussing issues EACH of them stand on, good and bad. I have also made it clear I am supporting Rick Perry in this nomination. I would LOVE to see Sarah Palin as the RNC chairman! She always wanted to turn the RNC around, and when we could see her in that position, we would know we have made a real difference in this Republican Party. However, if she were to win the nomination, I would gladly support her. At least I have tried to be clear on my stands which is, why I guess, you DO see me say good things, neutral things, and not-as-good things about BOTH of them. You might try the same. You’ll be amazed how much you start appreciating ALL the wonderful conservatives candidates (the CONSERVATIVE candidates) who, while they may have a different way of doing things sometimes, are all worthy of respect.

I won’t take any more of your or my time now either, but I thought I would answer your questions in the slight chance you really did not know Sarah is having her supporters disregard the Karl-Rove set up September 3 date... and that you actually did care.


52 posted on 08/25/2011 3:50:50 PM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: casinva
You think we believe that you don't know the difference between an online blogger and a "professional political pundit?" Just to be clear, a "professional pundit" is someone like Karl Rove, who is paid by FOX, CBS, NBC, etc., for going on TV and giving their expert political opinions. That isn't even a reachable stretch, Sherlock. Grow up.

Claiming "insider information?" Where did I do that? When did I say I had "insider information?" You're a bad joke on you, not to mention a compulsive liar. Instead of admitting that you are dead wrong, you make up even more crap to try and smear me. You're pathetic.

Save your 5th grade "the dog ate my homework" garbage for someone who doesn't know any better. I knew you couldn't come up with anything, and you didn't.

So stuff it, "Cass" in Virginia. BUSTED.

53 posted on 08/25/2011 4:22:15 PM PDT by Gargantua ("I hope Palin is announcing on September 3rd in Indianola, Iowa")
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To: Gargantua
Rove is history. Palin is the future.

54 posted on 08/25/2011 4:31:43 PM PDT by McGruff (a Sarah Palin supporter and proud of it.)
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To: Gargantua
Rove is "The Architect?"

Narrow wins over a cigar store Indian in 2000 and a total asshat in 2004 is an architect?

A first year Poli-Sci major could have done better!

Rove is exactly why the Tea Party was/is/will be needed for now and forever.

Want to know what kind of architect Rove is?

Imagine a guy with a chisel on the nose of the Sphinx saying, "Just one more tap ought to do it."

A guy saying, "The ground here is good" under the Tower of Pisa.

A White Star Lines spokesman, "The hull of the Titanic can withstand anything nature or man can throw at it."

The co-pilot of the Hindenburg, "I can do this. Piece of cake."

Roy Horn to Siegfried, "Are you sure you fed the tigers? Hold my Pinot and watch this."

Or....Worst of all....

Karl Rove saying, "In my opinion...."

55 posted on 08/25/2011 4:51:18 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Obama and the Dems - The flash mob raiding the Treasury.)
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To: N. Theknow

Funny as it gets. LMAO!!!!


56 posted on 08/26/2011 9:10:45 AM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin personally told me when she's announcing")
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To: Gargantua

I will gladly give you my apology for not understanding you were not the author of that article AND the poster of that thread.

I believed you had said you had written the article so, you continued, why would I say you are trying to belittle Sarah Palin. What had happened was that I assumed when you said you had written the article, that you had written the ARTICLE.

We do have journalists and bloggers here who write the original articles and then start threads here with their FR screen name. That happens here; authors DO sometimes start threads on their own articles under a FR screen name. I thought that was what you meant.

My apologies for misunderstanding that you only started the thread. It was certainly not any kind of effort to confuse people as to if you are a professional writer or not.

Going from there though, here is a thought. Whether you were the writer or just someone who started a thread here, if Sarah Palin doesn’t want such Karl Rove’s garbage spread, she would not want ANYONE spreading it, professional or not. Again, I apologize I did not understand that when you said you wrote the article that you had just started a thread, but regardless, if she has had to come out and correct it and does not want that anticipatory date being used to hurt her, then why would even a non-professional who claims to support Sarah Palin want to spread that info? SARAH PALIN HERSELF HAS COME OUT TO DISS THAT INFO BECAUSE SHE FEELS IT WILL MAKE HER LOOK BAD. Shouldn’t she expect those who support her to not contribute to Karl Rove’s scheme, whether they are professional or just a plain citizen?

My reply to you yesterday was meant to help as I wanted to give you a chance that maybe you really were a Sarah Palin supporter and just didn’t know what you were doing with your signature. Yesterday’s post to you was offered out of courtesy. I am sorry it was not taken as such.

As for your other questions, I provided the other answers to you quite mildly and with no name calling, just simple answers in the hopes that if you really cared and wanted to look into those things, you could.

Yes, I did supply the links I did to you to provide info in regards to your signature / tag and to clarify what the problem was. In yesterday’s reply, I tried to do that kindly so that you would have that info if you did not already. As for this issue, it doesn’t matter if you’re a professional or not, you were spreading information that it appears Sarah Palin doesn’t want spread. I was giving you the opportunity to be a Sarah Palin supporter by giving you info about your tag / signature. I provided the SarahPAC link and the Mark Levin link for more understanding as to why Sarah would feel it looks so bad. That was simply an offer of information to you.

It is unfortunate that this has become nonsensical name calling and vengeance. My intentions were not meant to take over your life and cause such an outrage and retaliation. I thought that if you really were a Sarah Palin supporter, that you would quickly defend Sarah Palin and consider what you may be doing in those posts I referenced, perhaps feel badly if you misrepresented anything, and perhaps snip back but then going on with your life, but that if you were indeed mocking or purposely advertising incorrect or harmful material, that you would realize people were seeing it and that you might chose to go on somewhere else to do trolling elsewhere, or at least pick up the pieces and go on at least. I had no idea this would become overwhelming as it seems it has, and I will gladly let it drop so that you can just go on without further ado.

As for the info I provided to you in my most recent response to you yesterday, the info was kindly provided with good intentions. You can take the info or leave it be you professional or not. I just wanted to make sure you had it. It’s your choice now what you do with that information.

I hope I have now provided enough additional insight as to why yesterday’s info was important to share with you and also provided enough venting time for the anger my first response provoked, but if you need to throw some things around some more, I’m OK with it. Either you’re a troll hiding your cover, or an angry person who needs to vent. If it’s the first, consider yourself lucky I have given you this much time and leeway to spew the last insults. If it’s the latter, I’ll gladly listen if it helps.

Best wishes to you.


57 posted on 08/26/2011 11:16:39 AM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: Gargantua
One last thing... how does your theory about my "hidden agenda" for harming Palin fit with the fact that I wrote the article which is the main feature of this thread?

Please see my earlier response to you which was just posted a few minutes ago.

In addition to that response, I went back to find what you had told me that led me to mistakenly believe you had written the article which is the main feature of this thread.

What you said which was the basis for my belief you wrote the article itself if in the italics above.

58 posted on 08/26/2011 11:31:00 AM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: Gargantua
Hey, guess what??

Obama has defunded our military by half a trillion dollars then infected it with the gay culture.

He's crippling the oil industry thru the EPA.

He just turned our space program over to the Russians.

He's deserted Israel.

Abandoned our struggling trading partners.

And is trying to exterminate the traditional American family.

Why are you idiots attacking Republicans? This place has turned into a bigger cesspool than DU!

59 posted on 08/26/2011 11:46:32 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: casinva
When someone who doesn't know me, and with whom I have never had any contact on FreeRepublic previously, starts by accusing me of being an anti-Palin troll, accusing me of mocking Sarah and mocking her supporters (despite your fatuous assertion that this was your act of kind assistance {!}), I will defend my truthful, sincere intent to see Sarah Palin elected president.

When you falsely accuse me, you will be called on the carpet for it. Unless and until you recant your falsehood, you will be held accountable for it. Me calling you a liar when you are lying is not "name calling," it is a statement of fact.

When I ask you to cite one post which I wrote in which my writing mocks Sarah Palin, your responding with something written by SarahPAC is in fact non-responsive. It is a transparent dodge employed to hide the fact that you could not find anything I had ever written which mocked Sarah Palin. You will be held accountable for all dodges, deceptions, and attempts to divert attention from your bad judgement and worse behavior.

I have absolutely no interest in "mending any bridge" between myself and someone who substitutes emotion-based screeds for the factual pursuit of the truth. No such "bridge" ever existed, and I assuredly do not seek one now.

All you have shown me is your breathtaking inability to seek or acknowlege factual truth, combined with a vile willingness to assault and character assassinate someone you don't know from Adam based solely upon your own off-based, inane assumptions.

That is despicable. Good luck to you.

60 posted on 08/26/2011 12:02:54 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Deb
Hey, guess this.

We're attacking Rove becauese he's using his nationally televised platform to spread lies about Sarah Palin. You want to get behind that, go right ahead.

Sarah Palin is the one GOP pitbull whose attacks on Obama's socialist assault on America have not only been incessant, but have also been hugely effective.

When Palin called their "Medical Boards" Death Panels, the Rats were forced to remove them from the bill.

When the TEA Party congressional freshmen were about to go all wobbly in the recent debt-limit debate, one email from Palin put the "steel" back in their spine.

And there have been a hundred other instances where Palin alone has steered the public discussion back on track over the past three years. Now, she's about to replace O'Bunghole in the White House.

I don't care if the person assailing Palin is a Democrat, a "Republican," or the freaking Pope! If they come after Sarah, they're gonna have to deal with me, period!

Got it? "Deb?"

;-\

61 posted on 08/26/2011 12:29:11 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: upsdriver
I wish the hell others would realize that fact.

Some of us do..."it's the corruption, stupid!"

62 posted on 08/26/2011 12:33:46 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Gargantua
Geez, what a hero. How many of our wounded would you have shot during the war?

I assume that little bit of pearl-clutching drama was for Jim's benefit. Laughable.

63 posted on 08/26/2011 12:44:50 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: tlb
The “Tokyo Rove” meme is really childish. Does Sarah no credit at all.

Karl?

64 posted on 08/26/2011 1:02:36 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Gargantua

Don’t need a bridge. I had an apology for misunderstanding your comment when you told me you were the author of the article (which I had believed as truth), and I gave you what I felt I needed to in the hopes that I would help you gain control of yourself from this point on. I’m not asking for a “bridge”. I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t get one.

Since you have asked once again what I am seeing in your posts that I perceive as a problem, as belittling to Sarah Palin, I’ll answer once again as to what I have noticed in your posts that have concerned me. It is called “hyperbole”, just as I answered you before this. If you really do care, instead of just throwing accusations that I am not answering your question, you will go look that up and go look back at your posts. You should be able to understand at that point if you let yourself. You have to understand what hyperbole is first though, so please, just go look that up in the dictionary as I have asked you to a couple of times now, and go review your posts as I have asked you to a couple of times now, and I believe you will see how they come off that way. I can’t write every single post you have ever written for the most part on this thread; there is no need to, but you can figure out what hyperbole is and go back and look for yourself.

I don’t know how I could be any clearer than that.

As for my being respectful in yesterday’s post, I was respectful in yesterday’s post only because I took your word when you said you were the author of the article. I had decided to give you the benefit of the doubt when you told me you were the author, and I determined the tag then must simply be an issue that you were not aware of, based on that believe that you were an author for a tea-party-friendly website.

Discovering now today that your comment about being the author of the article only meant you started the thread, I have decided to maintain a respectful communication anyway, but I also have no other reason than to go back to my original perception and original assumption.

Again, I apologize for misunderstanding what you meant when you told me you wrote the article. I had assumed you were a professional writer who had written that article, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt for such.

I will not take your route here and am trying to provide respect to you even now by responding. However, just realize I’ll keep my original assumption at this point. That shouldn’t matter to you though anyway. You are free to do and say what you want here be it truth or satire, just as I am free to believe something is amiss.


65 posted on 08/26/2011 1:12:48 PM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: Steel Wolf
I just want to point out that Dick Morris and Karl Rove have never been seen together in public.

Good point. but seriously this brings up another point

Morris and Roove are hired guns for candidates, and are undoubtedly hired RIGHT NOW for people in the race. They give advise and analize polling for them (I worked on a Congressional campaign where the candidate was talking to Morris to hire him during the primary, but he didn't have enought money to get his "help", lost the primary so that was it) You can easily tell who they are NOT getting paid by....(Palin)

this is a little fact FOX doesn't want you to know.

66 posted on 08/26/2011 1:21:17 PM PDT by bigjoesaddle (“to crush the bourgeoisie...grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation" V. Lenin)
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To: Deb
I see. You have every right to defend poor little "Tokyo Rove" from actual conservatives who dislike his RHINO kneecapping of Palin, but those of us who elect to argue on her behalf are just "drama queens posing for JimRob."

How uniquely clever and fair-minded of you. You really are quite the even-handed arbiter of worthy causes there, little missy. < violent gagging >

Tell me, does all that fervent cynicism fill some needful void for you, or is it gratuitous? Merely angst for angst's sake? Did you grow up hoping to star in your own daytime soap opera? That would explain you projecting your own misplaced cause celébre onto the rest of us.

:^D

67 posted on 08/26/2011 2:25:19 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: COBOL2Java
"Karl?"

LMAO!!! Priceless.

:^D

68 posted on 08/26/2011 2:28:06 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Gargantua

Rove, you Magnificent STUPID Bastard STFU!

69 posted on 08/26/2011 2:35:47 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Gargantua
I like Karl Rove. I admire how he stayed loyal no matter how he was demonized, vilified and turned into a criminal by the Left. I admire his ability to strategize and win elections.

And I like Sarah. I hope she runs, though I don't think she will. I admire her tenacious ability to do exactly what she wants to do without a family fortune or riding on her husband's coattails. And if I had a baby girl, I would only hope she would be 10% as precious as Piper.

I understand how they both feel, but wish they would take it off-line and out of the public arena where its being used, with demonic glee, by Democrats to trash them both.

What I do not understand is the constant need, in this forum, by people who say they're conservatives, to spend their days trashing, mocking and belittling other Republicans.

Sarah doesn't need your help. She's more butch than you.

70 posted on 08/26/2011 2:47:12 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb
That's all fine until you get to the point where you have a right to be here posting your opinion, but I don't. Despite your off-the-mark assessment, I'm one of the few guys here on FreeRepublic who Sarah couldn't kick the crap out of.

LOL

Like it or not, part of being an American is putting up with those with whom you don't agree. Of course, that line stops at lies and evil manipulation.

Peace.

71 posted on 08/26/2011 3:03:33 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Deb

Rove is one of the most “useful idiots” the left has enjoyed for undermining conservative causes and principles from “within” — it is perfectly appropriate to strongly criticize Rove’s ongoing servility to Big Media and Socialism.


72 posted on 08/29/2011 10:58:46 AM PDT by Enchante (9 year cancer survivor this month - last surgery Aug. 2002)
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To: Enchante

And just what is his “...servility to Big Media and Socialism”? I mean besides working for FOX News after the Left nearly bankrupted him with legal costs. Your brain fart about Socialism is just too stupid to reference.


73 posted on 08/30/2011 12:11:03 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

re: brain farts, wellll everything you say on this topic is pitiful, “too stupid to reference”

If you can’t understand the references then you need to engage in a serious re-examination of everything you think you “know” about Rove’s beliefs, words, and activities in relation to the course of our nation’s bloated corrupt over-spending govt. of the past decade. He’s been a key part of the problem.

In precisely the period when Republicans needed to chart a far better national course on fiscal, tax and economic issues Rove played a leading role in perpetuating the ongoing miasma of Washington, DC. If I need to explain all the problems to you then you are a part of the problem.

I don’t question that Rove was a shrewd political/campaign operative who achieved a great deal in campaign terms pre-2004, but his approaches to actual governance have frequently been disastrous and have helped to produce the corruption and stagnation of our federal govt.

I do impugn his character and motives when it comes to his vicious unwarranted personal attacks on real conservatives who do not share his devotion to vastly bloated government.

If you can’t fill in the references you aren’t capable of understanding these issues.

If you don’t understand the extent of overlap and converging purposes between RINO-Democrat devotion to a $3 trillion federal budget and what can reasonably be termed “socialism” then your knowledge is very shallow and inadequate.


74 posted on 08/30/2011 10:49:44 PM PDT by Enchante
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