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FRANK LUNTZ: A Less-Than-Frank Dunce
The TEA Party Tribune ^ | Saturday, August 27, 2011 | Anthony James

Posted on 08/27/2011 3:24:19 PM PDT by Gargantua

FRANK LUNTZ: A Less-Than-Frank Dunce
© 2011 By Anthony James

The list of political types who have formed a virtual conga line around Washington DC chanting in near unison their various reasons why Sarah Palin is just not their cup of “TEA,” shall we say, has given birth to some of the strangest bedfellows this town has seen since GOP Sen. “Benedict Arlen” Spector cited Scottish Law when joining with the Democrats in trying to block the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

Nonetheless, that list grew recently as Frank Luntz, formerly considered to be an objective pollster whose reports could be counted upon for their evenhanded dissemination of scientifically generated data, has just come out of the closet as America's newest Sarah Palin basher. According to the newly self redefined Luntz, “…there is no room for Sarah Palin…” to join the presidential race since she and Michelle Bachmann are basically the same candidate.

How very astute of Frank to make careful note of the fact [sic] that Michelle Bachmann has served as the chief executive of a state, with command control of its air National Guard.

I'm sure it's comforting to those parties who might have been considering paying Mr. Luntz for his valuable opinions to see that he's taken into account that Michelle Bachmann has decades dealing closely with Big Oil, and is thus fluently conversant with the minutia of energy issues and how they might affect our economy, not to mention our National Security.

Equally reassuring, no doubt, is how Representative Bachmann has also negotiated massive international construction projects involving multiple countries and several of the world's largest corporations.

We can be equally sure Mr. Luntz threw into the equation, whereby he arrived at his considered opinion, the numerous times Michelle Bachmann has prosecuted and sent to jail those among her predecessors who ran afoul of the law.

No... wait a minute... I'm sorry. Michelle Bachmann has done none of those things, although if she had, they most certainly would have contributed greatly to her gravitas as a potential presidential figure. While there is an extremely charismatic female political figure who has done all those things, it isn't Michelle Bachmann. And in fact, the one person who has done all of those things is also known for drawing massive crowds to her speaking engagements and political rallies. Crowds so huge that they are as large as or larger than the 2008 Obama crowds Michelle Bachmann doesn't do that either. It leads one to wonder, what was Frank thinking? How both Michelle and Sarah have long brown hair? Perhaps that they both wear skirts at times?

Yes they're both Christian, but so is 80% or more of the American public.

Suffice to say, there was a time up until quite recently when Frank Luntz could be counted upon for fair and objective analysis of hard data based on factual proof. We now have from the horse’s mouth a surprisingly loud announcement that that has changed.

As we approach the coming 2012 election cycle getting into high gear, there will be many groups and individuals who will want to be able to count on the money that they spend buying them something besides more ill based partisan rhetoric, which they can get for free from Chris Matthews, or any number of microphone-wearing dunces on MSNBC. It'll be a roll of the dice what they'll get now from Mr. Luntz, now that he has exposed his new fascination with agenda-driven punditry offered up in place of reliable political analysis.

Should Sarah Palin decide to enter the 2012 presidential race, not only will there be room for her, but the amount of room she will require to hold both the ocean of enthusiasm waiting to crest across America like a tidal wave, in addition to the room needed for the improbably massive throngs of a fervent Sarah supporters giving vent to this jubilant celebration will arguably be larger than all the space needed by all the other also-rans combined.

I say without hesitation that Mr. Luntz could not have been more completely wrong had he chosen to vent his partisan agenda on any other topic. That he could be so utterly incorrect about something so easily apparent to any who approach the topic with their eyes open is doubtless less than reassuring to those considering paying him for his opinion.

Governor Palin's path to the helm of America's political ship of state is littered with the metaphorical carcasses of those who badly misjudged or underestimated her. That Frank Luntz has decided to prostrate himself amongst those fallen is truly unfortunate. In one ill-conceived screed, he has gone from “Frank Luntz” to “less-than-frank dunce.”


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KEYWORDS: bachmann; frankluntz; hack; luntz; palin; partisan; pollster; sarahpalin
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Whatta marroon. Good grief.

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1 posted on 08/27/2011 3:24:24 PM PDT by Gargantua
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To: Gargantua

I thought Luntz recently paid her some compliments and said that she would shake up the race, that she was a very gifted politician with a passionate following, etc.

The quotes on this thread sound totally different from what he said recently.


2 posted on 08/27/2011 3:32:57 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Gargantua

frank luntz may be the most annoying person on the planet. it drives me to distraction whenever he and his little mob of wheel turning idiots show up after a debate to tell me what to think. a “focus” group, I believe he calls it.

I have actually flipped over to PMSNBC.


3 posted on 08/27/2011 3:35:01 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: webstersII
It would appear he's been gotten to... probaly someone telling him, "We were going to hire you for alot of polling, but we don't like you saying nice things about that woman... how about a little "good faith" damage control there, Frankie?"

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4 posted on 08/27/2011 3:37:59 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: webstersII
Check this out:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/pundit_dismisses_palin_because_shes_no_different_than_bachmann.html

5 posted on 08/27/2011 3:39:23 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Gargantua

Yes, she has an enthusiastic following, but she is a rock star not a legitimate candidate. A few months as governor and no knowledge of economics etc.


6 posted on 08/27/2011 3:44:10 PM PDT by kayak42
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To: webstersII
Last Sunday on "This week" (the Disney News show), Luntz was a guest on their panel. I'm not sure what happened. Maybe he was just trying to fit in. Maybe he had too much to drink before going on the air. Maybe it wasn't really Frank Luntz, but a double that ABC hired to read their script.

Whatever the explanation, in between changing feet, some truly weird words came out of his mouth, including something about there being no room for Sarah Palin in the Republican Primary races because she occupies the same space as Michele Bachmann.

He was also pushing Chris Christie and Paul Ryan as potential additional candidates.

Maybe he thought they were making a movie for Disney and he was playing a part in it and had to read the script.

7 posted on 08/27/2011 3:44:22 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: Gargantua

Luntz? Luntz who? Who is this Luntz guy? I know Sarah Palin, but I don’t know no Luntz.


8 posted on 08/27/2011 3:44:42 PM PDT by sueQ (SueQ)
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To: kayak42
You're supposed to wipe those on a kleenex, not eat them! Ugh!
9 posted on 08/27/2011 3:48:48 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Gargantua
... Frank Luntz, formerly considered to be an objective pollster whose reports could be counted upon for their evenhanded dissemination of scientifically generated data...

Luntz objective? Evenhanded? Not in this lifetime. The guy is a propagandist, always has been.

10 posted on 08/27/2011 3:53:25 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: kayak42

I agree. Palin would embarrassing as a candidate.


11 posted on 08/27/2011 4:05:12 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty
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To: kayak42
A few months as governor and no knowledge of economics etc.

Troll Alert!

How about a few months as Senator and no knowledge of economics? Does that work for you?

I'll even throw in a little community organizing.

12 posted on 08/27/2011 4:05:45 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Gargantua
Luntz is a pollster. I suspect he is saying that from what his subjects tell him, the two women appeal to the same constituency, and Bachmann got there first. He may well be right about that, but it does not imply Sarah Palin can't run and win. She just has to beat Bachmann.
13 posted on 08/27/2011 4:06:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: DBeers; reformed_dem; Right Wingnut 2; Robert Drobot; death2tyrants; july4thfreedomfoundation; ...

Ping!


14 posted on 08/27/2011 4:07:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: Gargantua

Before you say anything watch this Luntz video. He did not say anything bad about Sarah.

http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/08/frank-luntz-palin-doesnt-have-to-do-it-the-way-other-candidates-do-it.html


15 posted on 08/27/2011 4:08:09 PM PDT by mardi59
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To: Gargantua
Frank Luntz, formerly considered to be an objective pollster

Couldn't read past there. The author obviously isn't an NRA member/2A advocate.

16 posted on 08/27/2011 4:10:45 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Gargantua

Sounds about right, like politics as usual.


17 posted on 08/27/2011 4:12:23 PM PDT by GlockLady (Sarah Palin - The Antidote - Going Oval January 20, 2013!)
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To: webstersII

Yeah, I heard him say some really nice stuff this week. It is just that there is no room for any criticisam at all of Palin.

That said, it is perfectly okay to savagely criticise the candidates that are actually running.

So, everyone who dares offer a little criticism is added to the naughty list.


18 posted on 08/27/2011 4:16:54 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Utmost Certainty

“I agree. Palin would embarrassing as a candidate.”
_______________________________

You be embarrassing as a blogger.


19 posted on 08/27/2011 4:19:06 PM PDT by sueQ (SueQ)
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To: Gargantua
"Suffice to say, there was a time up until quite recently when Frank Luntz could be counted upon for fair and objective analysis of hard data based on factual proof........"

Luntz fair and objective - anyone who would prance around all of the time spouting euphemisms and using poll-tested words, wearing that garish red wig looking like Bozo the clown or Clarabelle (acting like the useful idiot the left love.)

20 posted on 08/27/2011 4:19:24 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Pollsters are perhaps even more dishonest than journalists. If a client want a poll to come out a certain way, he selects the sampling and words the questions in the way that will produce the desired result.

One of Luntz’s biggest clients is FNC and FNC doesn't want Palin to run.

21 posted on 08/27/2011 4:22:14 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: sueQ

Hah, touché.

In all seriousness though, I don’t understand the fanaticism here on FR for Palin.


22 posted on 08/27/2011 4:22:34 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty
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To: Gargantua

my wife and i switch the channel when frank luntz comes on.


23 posted on 08/27/2011 4:23:18 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: mardi59
I saw that when he said it. He said this other more recently, as though recanting his objective earlier opinion. Try to keep up with the times... to quote Robby Zimmerman:

"Come gather 'round people wherever you roam,
And admit that the waters around you have grown,
And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone.

If your time to you is worth savin'

Then you better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone—
For the times they are a-changin'.

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24 posted on 08/27/2011 4:27:45 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Gargantua

I heard him say that too, G. It really surprised me. And I don’t watch this week, so it had to have been on Fox. I think it was on Megyn’s show, but I’m not sure. What I did notice was that he looked uncomfortable. And then I saw rove do HIS hit. The establishment longknives are out and making no effort to hide it anymore.


25 posted on 08/27/2011 4:27:51 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If the truth hurts, prepare yourself for a LOT of pain.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"I suspect he is saying that from what his subjects tell him,"

When Luntz is citing responses from his focus groups, he says so. This was his own off-the-cuff opinion offered as such in normal discussion. And it has only the most improbative possible basis in oversipmplistic "facts."

Saying "Palin" and "Bachmann" in the same breath is borderline delusional... as you'll be reminded of all-too-clearly when she announces and the country shakes so that your coffee spills from the response.

;^\

26 posted on 08/27/2011 4:33:50 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Gargantua

Yeh we got over Luntz awhile back. I have suspected him for a lefty for some time.


27 posted on 08/27/2011 4:38:19 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Lintz is not a pollster. He hires focus groups and works hard to convince them that they ought to think what he tells them to. He’s a jackass. Bad for the party and bad for the country.


28 posted on 08/27/2011 4:42:43 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: Utmost Certainty

My feeling about SP. The reason that FR is fanatical about her is because she has been so unfairly maligned by the LSM as well as RINOS. I don’t post here often, but I think folks here don’t take kindly to this treatment of her as she represents many of our own core values and they don’t want the media elites picking our candidate for us like they did last go-around. I would like SP to jump in, even if it would be to merely broaden the discussion. Although, if she runs I will do all I can to support her and boost her campaign.


29 posted on 08/27/2011 4:45:27 PM PDT by sueQ (SueQ)
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To: Gargantua

If anyone can justify watching Fox news after this, let me know. For curiosity’s sake.

While you’re at it, tell me why anyone anywhere should continue to watch any channel on cable television, and why they shouldn’t immediately discontinue all cable or satellite television service.


30 posted on 08/27/2011 4:45:34 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: calcowgirl
The guy is a propagandist, always has been.

IIRC, Luntz coined the phrase "climate change" as opposed to globull warming.

Couldn't have Al out there touting warming while it was snowing and freezing, lol!

31 posted on 08/27/2011 4:46:40 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: indylindy
Proving that PDS is not only incurable, but also quite likely fatal.

Awwwwww......

8^(

< actually snickering at you... >

32 posted on 08/27/2011 4:50:44 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Gargantua

I found it. My apology to you. I guess he is just another idiot, but don’t shoot the messenger I’m a big Sarah fan.

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/frank-luntz-no-room-for-palin-in-gop-field/


33 posted on 08/27/2011 4:54:04 PM PDT by mardi59
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To: reasonisfaith
"If anyone can justify watching Fox news after this,"

I read this in "American Thinker." I'll continue to read "American Thinker," as well as watch football, C-Span, Boston Celtics, Hannity, etc.

;^\

34 posted on 08/27/2011 4:55:16 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: Gargantua
Both are real conservatives who fight for what they believe in, and are associated with the TEA Party. Both are considered existential threats to the beltway hacks in both parties. That does make them more like each other than any of the rest of the crowd.
35 posted on 08/27/2011 4:57:00 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: kayak42
no knowledge of economics etc.

Really? Sez who? As I recall Palin was the first major Republican to point out that QE2 was going to devalue the dollar and cause higher consumer prices. The "knowedgable" folks laughed, but she was right, and they were wrong.

36 posted on 08/27/2011 5:01:53 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Hugin
In every area but the two that count... name recognition and breadth/depth of national support.

Not even close where the rubber meets the voting booth... or in practical experience/astounding track record, for that matter.

37 posted on 08/27/2011 5:02:29 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: JohnBrowdie

Amen brother!

The mission of Frank Luntz appears to be the same as most Democrats: reduce crucial issues of national security, fiscal/tax policy, immigration, etc. to a simple recitation of buzzwords trotted out at every venue or debate. Deep thought, words of two syllables or more or a unifying theme are unneeded, even unwanted, in the world of Luntz.

Luntz may or may not acknowledge it but his ultimate candidate is Barack Obama, who can spew teleprompter catchphrases all night long. We’ve seen how that works out.


38 posted on 08/27/2011 5:13:48 PM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: JohnBrowdie

PS - the same wheel-turning idiots are worshiped by USA Today for their ‘Admeter’ scores during the Super Bowl.

Frankly, I couldn’t give a damn what people who willingly watch commercials think.


39 posted on 08/27/2011 5:16:52 PM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: Gargantua

Just trying to bring a little truth and reality into this delusional tripe.


40 posted on 08/27/2011 5:44:04 PM PDT by dforest
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To: mardi59

Thanks for the link. I did watch the segment on Fox and Friends and he sure did not say anything negative about her


41 posted on 08/27/2011 5:45:24 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Publius6961

Bump


42 posted on 08/27/2011 5:48:03 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: mardi59

Isn’t rawstory.com a left wing site? Who would believe anything the say? I sure don’t


43 posted on 08/27/2011 5:54:18 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Whether you understand it, is it really any skin off of your nose? There’s room for anyone who wants to run that meets the constitutional requirements.

Cindie


44 posted on 08/27/2011 5:58:24 PM PDT by gardencatz (Proud mom US Marine! It can't always be someone else's son.)
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To: indylindy

What’s delusional? Someone posted a piece about a comment a pundit made. Someone later in the thread found a link to the actual statement. He’s certainly entitled to his opinion, just as those here are welcome to disagree.

Cindie


45 posted on 08/27/2011 6:04:26 PM PDT by gardencatz (Proud mom US Marine! It can't always be someone else's son.)
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To: kayak42
A few months as governor and no knowledge of economics etc.

LOL! Well I guess you could call 36 months in the position "a few months". How do you know that Sarah has no knowledge of economics? After her stints on the Town Council, then as the Mayor of Wasilla, she served on the State Oil and Gas Board, apparently doing well in that position.

When she defeated BOTH the establishment Republican, and the Democrat, for the office of Governor, she seemed to handle well the issue of just compensation to the people of Alaska for the oil and gas removed from their state. She went up against not only the oil companies, but the establishment representatives of both parties, even to the point of putting a couple of them in jail for corruption.

46 posted on 08/27/2011 6:27:59 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: indylindy
"Just trying to bring a little truth and reality into this delusional tripe."

Don't be so hard on yourself-- your tripe isn't that delusional...

8^D

47 posted on 08/27/2011 6:39:38 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Sarah Palin doesn't like liars who unfairly attack people.")
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To: kayak42

No knowledge of economics, you say? Well, she believes in unleashing the free market and ending onerous regs. There is no one more competent to lead America right now than Sarah Palin. Bob


48 posted on 08/27/2011 6:49:51 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("The movie's rolled down to the last reel. It's got an ending you never planned. Harry Chapin)
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To: indylindy
Yeah, I heard him say some really nice stuff this week. It is just that there is no room for any criticisam at all of Palin. That said, it is perfectly okay to savagely criticise the candidates that are actually running. So, everyone who dares offer a little criticism is added to the naughty list.

Whether Luntz said good things or bad things about Palin, the guy is still a fat, annoying putz.

49 posted on 08/27/2011 7:06:50 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Well, I agree with you.


50 posted on 08/27/2011 7:15:17 PM PDT by dforest
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