Skip to comments.Ind. vouchers prompt thousands to change schools
Posted on 08/28/2011 10:39:08 AM PDT by PROCON
SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) - Weeks after Indiana began the nation's broadest school voucher program, thousands of students have transferred from public to private schools, causing a spike in enrollment at some Catholic institutions that were only recently on the brink of closing for lack of pupils. It's a scenario public school advocates have long feared: Students fleeing local districts in large numbers, taking with them vital tax dollars that often end up at parochial schools. Opponents say the practice violates the separation of church and state.
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Opponents could never say it threatens their Marxist mission.
This is the wrong fight. We need to get over the idea that there are or ever were “good” schools. The whole idea of warehousing children is monstrous and has never had anything to do with education.
The state isn’t FORCING kids into religious schools so how is this violating the separation of church and state?
The state isnt FORCING kids into religious schools so how is this violating the separation of church and state?/
Lib marxists don’t want to face the fact that PARENTS are in charge of their children, not the state. Good on my Indiana. I live near SB and I have noticed more uniform clothing being bought where I work.
Religion is part of the American way.
And that was around 1970.
I'm sure her parents would have loved to have had the county pick up the cost at the time.
Not only “not forcing” students to go to parochial schools, but actually helping the government schools.
After all, haven’t we heard over and over again how there is not enough money to educate a child now? With all these costs being transferred to the private schools with the loss of each student, each government school should be able to narrow this deficit. /sarc
Students fleeing local districts in large numbers, taking with them vital tax dollars....How does that Happen?
The have repeatedly and lost in SCOTUS. The last case they lost was last April.
Mueller v. Allen, Zelman v. Simmons-Harris, and Arizona Christian School Tuition Organization v. Winn, 09-987, and Garriott v. Winn, 09-991.
The idea that there is a separation of Church and State...is false and was taken right out of the Marxist handbook. The following article is a good explanation of the “evolution” of our Constitution-—it is all the same....repeat the Big Lie and it becomes the Truth.
Everyone should understand WHY this lie was promoted in the 40’s by a Marxist court....and the phrase was taken out of context by a corrupt court to establish atheism/humanism in a profoundly Christian nation. In the 30’s the cultural Marxists (do your research) stated that to destroy America from within you had to destroy the two pillars of Western Civilization: Christianity and the natural family unit.
Since then—they destroyed the Rule of Law—made arbitrary (inequal law) which denies parents the natural right to raise their children with their worldview in local schools (centralized schools are unconstitutional—even state design of curricula). They also destroyed the marriage contract—just like Lenin—to make it meaningless. There is no equal rights in the contract when you allow no-fault which treats people who destroy the contract the same as the one who honors it. Not done in any other “contracts” but the marriage one-—makes it a joke. Lenin did the same in Russia to destroy the natural family.
Ideas matter—they shape events and cultures and the ‘worldview” of children. We have the Marxists shaping our laws and brainwashing in the schools—instead of the Christian paradigm which is the basis of all our laws and philosophy of Natural Law Theory—where Natural Rights come from God.
The worldview of our Founders is being intentionally destroyed which destroys our Constitution when we do not honor its meaning and intent.
You can NOT separate God from our legal system. Marxist do that and worse...they legitimate ALL beliefs like Wicca and godless ones which would have been condemned by the logic of our rational legal system for 200 years. We no longer have “Right Reason according to Nature (Natural Law Theory which presupposes God’s laws and standards of right and wrong.
Back in my Franciscan HS, we wore unis. The good part is that girls know you’re in HS and sometimes get a discount on some stuff. The bad part: you look like a dork if you go into the city and begging for a beatdown.
Either way, the charter schools usually don’t allow unions into their staff so that is why the MSM-AP is throwing a hissy fit.
I had to wear a uni until I started public school. I went to Assumption Catholic school then Franklin Public. Sad thing was I was the smartest kid in class. Everyone else seemed to be years behind. Sad
Imagine that, Indiana following the lead of a backward Southern state like Louisiana.
We even had yearly courses on Christian Studies which I aced. Then right after was science, where they teach you about the big boom theory. In Christian Studies, they teach you the Almighty created the world in 7 days, then go to science class and they teach you about dinosaurs etc. Miraculously, our class was a smart one that we could grasp the difference.
Sadly some do not grasp the difference. I’m glad your class did.
The difference between public and parochial edu. is amazing.
The unions know this, and are terrified.
>The difference between public and parochial edu. is amazing.<
Gosh, the difference is “hugh” LOL. It’s like comparing a toilet to a throne. BTW, we weren’t exactly saints’ in HS. Our senior class went down in history as the one “that teachers tried to avoid”. But it all worked out well. My class have guys who now work for Microsoft, Vizio, Cisco Systems, BAE etc.
Cry me a river. All students have to wear the same uniforms. Guess what. Dress code and uniforms is the first line of defense and offense when it comes to discipline. My grandchildren have all very much benefited from parochial school education and discipline where they have to wear a uniform(that is morally acceptable). And an added benefit. No peer pressure for parents to be dressing them in "designer anything" clothing.
Public schools benefit when they conform to the practice but liberal society has made it politically incorrect. I say "Voucher System" in every state. It's the parents money. Let them spend it on a school of their choice.
Fantastic! I used to love saying the pledge (including under God) and then going to church before class. It gave a feeling of security.
That’s what a good education does. That’s why libs hate it so much. You get a great education, love of God and country, whereas public schools just don’t care for the most part.
How is it wrong for parents to CHOOSE to send their kids to parochial schools. This is awesome news. :)
Actually, it was the Lord’s Prayer and the raising of the flag before entering class. You almost never see that anymore.
We even had a sister school, St Scholastica, where you see in the movies the boys school would visit the coed school? Yeah, that happened every semester. I would make sure to get 10 girls’ phone numbers LOL.
That sounds about right... the phone numbers. The sisters at our school didn’t take any nonsense and could use a ruler like a Jedi Knight. Oh the memories. LOL
And your ideal educational environment is...?
“Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally. Harvard and Yale (originally Puritan) and Princeton (originally Presbyterian) once had rich Christian histories.
Harvard was named after a Christian minister. Yale was started by clergymen, and Princetons first year of class was taught by Reverend Jonathan Dickinson. Princetons crest still says Dei sub numine viget, which is Latin for Under God she flourishes.
In the United Kingdom, the earliest university-type establishment was probably the College, established by the Celtic preacher St. Illtyd in about AD 500. Oxford University was established by various religious orders. Likewise, Cambridge University was established in 1209 by Christian leaders. Saint Andrews, Scotlands oldest university, was founded principally for the teaching and study of theology. The commitment of these religious founders might be suspect, but many of the later colleges were founded by Bible-believing Christians. The University of Edinburgh had a thoroughly evangelical beginning, being founded under Presbyterian auspices.”
“Imagine that, Indiana following the lead of a backward Southern state like Louisiana.”
You obviously have NOT read the MSM style book.
The phrase is NOT “a backward Southern state”. It must be written “Backward-Southern-State”. There are no other types of Southern states. Florida south of Ft Pierce does not count, as there are sufficient enlightened people from the North to serve as an antidote.
Parents just ought to say I have a right to send my kid to the school I want. My tax dollars, my right. You don’t want to give me a voucher, stop forcing me to pay public school taxes that I don’t use.
They may demand the stings of controlling the curriculum.
Schools get tax dollars based on number of students... 1 less student = "x" less tax dollars. 2 less Students = "2x" less tax dollars. Further if I read the Indiana Law right those Vouchers are funded with Tax Dollars. (Though much less than what the public school got for the student)
I wish when my daughter was going to Catholic School we could have gotten a voucher!
Vital? Really? Vital to whom? Huh?
Answer: Vital to the Union and the Democrat slush fund.
It's only partly from the parents. The rest comes from those who do not have children of K-12 age.
Ideally there should be complete separation of school and state. All education (**ALL** )should be completely and totally privatized. If vouchers, tax credits, and charters lead in that direction then I support them. If they lead to government control of private education then I don't.
The most ideal and natural way to rear up healthy, emotionally confident, and well educated children is to homeschool.
Yes, some children will need to be institutionalized. It is a shame. Some parents are just too stupid, too materialistic, too selfish, too career minded, too mentally ill, too poor, too illiterate, too disorganized, etc., to homeschool. We need orphanages, too, but no one is claiming this is the best way to rear a child.
The first colleges in America weren’t “’Christian Run’ schools” ... they were seminaries where religious leaders were trained.
Okay, let me get this straight for the liberal rule book I’m trying to put together:
I’m qualified to choose whether or not to abort my baby but not qualified enough to decide where my non-aborted baby receives an education?
In Marxist-land, a 12 or 13 year old is mature enough to “elect” an abortion and find a capable baby butcher, but her parents are too uncaring and too stupid to choose a private school.
Keeping the status quo is easier than
innovating. If vouchers are going to “siphon money from government schools” why isn’t the same true in higher education?
I don’t hear state college professors running around crying about Pell grant(”government dollars”)money “unfairly” being used to attend St.Thomas,Gustavus,St.Johns or other private religiously affiliated schools.
What happened to the magic wall between “church and state” there?
Wow, that is an excellent point I hadn’t even considered! In that instance, government is directly funding that religion-based education.
You must have to be a complete control freak to be a lib. In every instance, it’s OUR money the government is using to dictate every aspect of our lives. Liberals are encouraging of that on a collective scale and yet would freak out if someone walked into their home, took control of their checkbook and started dictating financial and lifestyle choices on an individual level.
Thanks, Wobbly! You’ve given me something to chew on today! LOL
Excellent post, savagesusie!
Hey, cut us some slack! We ARE trying here! LOL
Have you seen what our poor little state is surrounded by? And we have Gary as a handicap! Lol
I will say I believe the southern influence has helped us. Due to industry, many southerners have migrated here over the years and many even settled our state bringing those southern values with them. Sadly, we also have to deal with the unions those same industries created.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF."
The ACLU can take a hike. The Supremes won't tamper with this basic right at all.
I’ll bet most anything that these vouchers are actually less than what would have been spent by the state in a public school - reslting in increased savings.
This must be Obananomics. If you have less students, it makes sense to me the teacher’s workload is less, thus he shouldn’t be paid more, but less. I understand your point, but this just illustrates how forked up the situation is. In my district they get money by how many kids get free breakfast, free lunch etc. so every damned kid in the district is eligible. They throw out 85% of the food, according to the FACT the pig farmer went from an every other day schedule to pick up food scraps to twice a day since this went into effect (and we have less kids). Pigs are fatter, though.
Maybe you can get Gary to secede to Illinois. After all Gary Is like Chicago East. A lot of Lake County is like Chicago east.
I’d be happy to slap a big bow on Gary and give it to Illinois for Christmas.
Oops, it’s Illinois... for “Winter Holiday” or whatever PC term they’re using these days.
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