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Neanderthal survival story revealed in Jersey caves
BBC ^ | August 29, 2011 | Becky Evans

Posted on 08/30/2011 8:16:45 PM PDT by decimon

New investigations at an iconic cave site on the Channel Island of Jersey have led archaeologists to believe the Neanderthals have been widely under-estimated.

Neanderthals survived in Europe through a number of ice ages and died out only about 30,000 years ago.

The site at La Cotte de St Brelade reveals a near-continuous use of the cave site spanning over a quarter of a million years, suggesting a considerable success story in adapting to a changing climate and landscape, prior to the arrival of Homo sapiens.

New investigations at an iconic cave site on the Channel Island of Jersey have led archaeologists to believe the Neanderthals have been widely under-estimated.

Neanderthals survived in Europe through a number of ice ages and died out only about 30,000 years ago.

The site at La Cotte de St Brelade reveals a near-continuous use of the cave site spanning over a quarter of a million years, suggesting a considerable success story in adapting to a changing climate and landscape, prior to the arrival of Homo sapiens.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: cave; caves; godsgravesglyphs; godsgravesguidos; jerseyshore; joisey; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; spelunkers; spelunking
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1 posted on 08/30/2011 8:16:48 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Jersey shore ping.


2 posted on 08/30/2011 8:17:26 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

3 posted on 08/30/2011 8:18:35 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

This cracks me up. If two creatures can mate and deliver fertile offspring aren’t they the same species? Apparently, from what I read, that is the case between Neanderthals and “modern” men.


4 posted on 08/30/2011 8:18:41 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Modern biology has about 1000 definitions of “species”. Based on whichever bit of evidence is being examined, they choose a definition of species which does not invalidate Evolution. It’s really more Art than Science.


5 posted on 08/30/2011 8:21:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: DManA
I rest my case:
6 posted on 08/30/2011 8:22:04 PM PDT by DManA
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To: decimon

Is that “The Situation”?


7 posted on 08/30/2011 8:22:51 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

For sure these Big Media excuses for Science Reporting leave you dumber than you were before you read them.


8 posted on 08/30/2011 8:24:16 PM PDT by DManA
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To: decimon

Clearly our some of our ancient ancestors had more of a problem being inclusive than others.


9 posted on 08/30/2011 8:26:08 PM PDT by DManA
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To: ClearCase_guy

You are 100% correct.


10 posted on 08/30/2011 8:32:34 PM PDT by kingpins10
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To: decimon

I did read the article before I posted this. Interesting. The Digging for Britain link at the article does not work. It sounds worth watching.

11 posted on 08/30/2011 8:54:45 PM PDT by BBell
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To: DManA
"If two creatures can mate and deliver fertile offspring aren’t they the same species?"

I believe that there is a problem in describing "species." I know that horses and donkeys can produce a sturdy work animal called a mule. Mules aren't supposed to be able to reproduce but, from time to time, they do reproduce.

But, in the case of traditional humans and Neanderthals, I believe that one would have to be very drunk to tie up with one of those.

12 posted on 08/30/2011 8:58:44 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: DManA
"If two creatures can mate and deliver fertile offspring aren’t they the same species?"

I believe that there is a problem in describing "species." I know that horses and donkeys can produce a sturdy work animal called a mule. Mules aren't supposed to be able to reproduce but, from time to time, they do reproduce.

But, in the case of traditional humans and Neanderthals, I believe that one would have to be very drunk to tie up with one of those.

13 posted on 08/30/2011 9:02:10 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: decimon

God, I hope Sunken Civ doesn’t drag out that worn-out quote about Neanderthal jawbones again. :-)


14 posted on 08/30/2011 9:05:23 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: BBell

Guidos! Proof that Man hasn’t evolved.


15 posted on 08/30/2011 9:05:39 PM PDT by Pelham ("Resist we much!" - Al 'Jiffypop' Sharpton)
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To: davisfh

but, from time to time, they do reproduce.

That is something I did not know.

Do you have a link to back the up (I’m not doubting you, I really am curious)


16 posted on 08/30/2011 9:08:30 PM PDT by DManA
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To: decimon

The Neanderthals still survive in the British Labor Party.

Their caves don’t have stalagtites but something of a similar name, Stalintites.


17 posted on 08/30/2011 9:08:49 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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From wikipedia:

Mules and Hinnies have 63 chromosomes, a mixture of the horse's 64 and the donkey's 62. The different structure and number usually prevents the chromosomes from pairing up properly and creating successful embryos, rendering most mules infertile.

There are no recorded cases of fertile mule stallions. A few female mules have produced offspring when mated with a purebred horse or donkey. Since 1527 there have been more than 60 documented cases of foals born to female mules around the world. There are reports that a mule in China produced a foal in 1984. In Morocco, in early 2002, a mare mule produced a rare foal. In 2007 a mule named Kate gave birth to a mule son in Colorado. Blood and hair samples were tested verifying that the mother was a mule and the colt was indeed her offspring.

18 posted on 08/30/2011 9:17:50 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: DManA
No problem. I'd doubt a comment like that myself. Take a look here (you may have to copy and paste):

http://www.horseforum.com/horse-breeding/mule-reproduction-47843/

There seems to be a problem with disparate numbers of chromosomes between horses and mules, but apparently, this problem is "sidetracked" from time to time.

The question is posed at top of page and you'll have to cursor down about half a page to see the answer.

19 posted on 08/30/2011 9:18:46 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: davisfh

Thanks, I’ll look at it. These issues are not simple.


20 posted on 08/30/2011 9:22:14 PM PDT by DManA
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