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To: DiogenesLamp
So does touching upon land make one an American?

The courts have said no. I covered that.

Also wouldn't that occur AFTER birth?

Yes, which is why the courts have tended to say no concerning ship and plane births.

What nationality is a baby BEFORE it touches land, and if it is not already American (due to jus sanguinius) then wouldn't it be born into a foreign allegiance first?

Citizenship depends upon the laws of the parent's country. It is conceivable that a child would have no citizenship. This is the standard case in in most European countries where babies are born of non-citizen parents and no right of birth exists.

You are presuming that a baby must be born a citizen of some country, that is not the case.

Most countries would claim a child born to their citizens as a citizen, regardless of place of birth.

32 posted on 08/31/2011 11:56:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
You are presuming that a baby must be born a citizen of some country, that is not the case.

Suits me. If it is not born of a country, then it isn't born of the American country.

Most countries would claim a child born to their citizens as a citizen, regardless of place of birth.

Not quite. I am claiming that a child of indeterminate birth is not a "natural born citizen", and cannot become one after the fact of birth.

33 posted on 08/31/2011 12:03:01 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (1790 Congress: No children of a foreign father may be a citizen.)
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