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19 Scary Facts About Getting A Job In America (Just be thankful if you have one)
Business Insider ^ | 09/02/2011 | Gus Lubin and Robert Johnson

Posted on 09/03/2011 7:16:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Judging by the September 2 jobs report, a double dip recession is closer than ever before and that's bad news for everyone still looking for a job.

Even worse than the modest 68,000 jobs analysts expected to see, no new jobs at all were added to the economy this quarter.

Manufacturing shrank by another 3% and unemployment remained a stark 9.1%.

Even the wages for those fortunate enough to be working went down by 0.1%—not a good sign.

As bad as this is there are jobs out there, just be prepared to go up against terrifying odds.

1. If you lose your job today, there's a 70% chance you won't find a job in the next month

2. If you've been unemployed for a year, there's a 91% chance you won't find a job in the next month

3. Two million people have exhausted 99 weeks of unemployment benefits—another four million will do so in 2011

4. In the most optimistic scenarios, payrolls won't return to 2008 levels until 2013—in that time population will grow by 5%

5. More than one in four jobs added to the economy last year were temporary

6. At 2000 participation levels, the unemployment rate would be 13%

7. When you count the unemployed, underemployed and discouraged workers, only 47 percent of the work force is fully employed

8. The number of workers over age 55 has increased by nearly eight percent in three years—no retirement means no hiring

9. 4 out of 10 baby boomers said they will have to "work till they drop"

10. The average length of unemployment is 22 weeks

11. For workers over age 55, the average length of unemployment is 43 weeks

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: job; jobless; unemployment
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1 posted on 09/03/2011 7:16:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There was zero job growth in the past decade—the worst ten years on record


2 posted on 09/03/2011 7:20:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
The number one scary fact about getting a job in America:

0jugeared Marxist is President.

3 posted on 09/03/2011 7:21:58 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are plenty of jobs, we have a massive miss-match of unemployed vs the skills to take the open jobs and the ones being created.

Many of these are going to be oil and gas related blue color jobs with all the support jobs that go with it. Metal Working, Mechanics, Truck Drivers, etc...

These jobs aren’t in the cities where you currently live.

I have a relative that is working in Seattle and many of his co-workers have been laid off, he is in danger of being laid off as well. All it would take for him to get another job, one that pays more relative to the cost of living...is move.

No one wants to move, they want the jobs to come to them!

In many of these cities, these jobs aren’t coming back till 2-3 years after we get a new president. Some of these state policies are as bad as Obama’s, so when the growth comes back, these jobs aren’t likely to come back even then.


4 posted on 09/03/2011 7:22:59 AM PDT by dila813
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To: SeekAndFind

I am curious about the “ infrastructure” jobs. Fact or fantasy? I am a humble truck driver. Crossing the country at least twice a month, I see lots of construction, some as far as 27 mile stretches. If infrastructure is going to save us all, I think unemployment numbers would be lower.


5 posted on 09/03/2011 7:25:40 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Look out Left Coast, we are coming and we have Bibles and Guns! LOL)
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To: dila813
No one wants to move, they want the jobs to come to them!

Nobody wants to move because they can't sell their homes. They're tethered to underwater mortgages.

6 posted on 09/03/2011 7:26:54 AM PDT by Drew68 (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have found that having multiple skills along with a specialized skill such as being a concrete mixer driver has kept me employed at the worst of times.

I am quite possibly either fortunate or less fortunate depending on a persons POW that I grew up without any liberal arts or college degrees, so I wound up being a mechanic all my life, and then I evolved into heavy equipment and then into a narrow field being a concrete batch plant engineer, driver and maintenance supervisor.

No guarantees that college degree or technical school a person saw on TV will get them a job, it comes from a persons heart and soul, its NOT all about just a document saying you are the happy recipient of a continuous brainwashing program in a vague field of something general.


7 posted on 09/03/2011 7:27:16 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Daniel J. Ramsey 1956-2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

8 posted on 09/03/2011 7:28:55 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: dila813
In many of these cities, these jobs aren’t coming back till 2-3 years after we get a new president.

If then.

No one wants to be a worker bee.

Our president is a drone.

Hillary thinks she is queen bee.

Need to clean out the hive.

9 posted on 09/03/2011 7:29:18 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Obama's legacy: Trashing the North American continent into a third world hell hole.)
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To: dila813

I agree that the real fix to jobs is relocation. What guys need to look at....simply buy into a small RV trailer and figure to move as necessary for two to three years while this mess gets settled out. The wife and kids can stay in the old neighborhood if necessary....but you have to go where the jobs are located.


10 posted on 09/03/2011 7:29:43 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: momincombatboots

RE: I am curious about the “ infrastructure” jobs. Fact or fantasy?

There really is no reason why there shouldn’t be infrastructure jobs. Our bridges and roads everywhere are crumbling (Here in NY State, we have a huge bridge with millions of cars passing by everyday called the Tappan Zee Bridge that needs total repair ).

If the Constitution’s Commerce Clause has any bearing on the Federal Government, INFRASTRUCTURE APPLIES.

The problem is most of the money has been wasted propping up municipal debt and the pensions and benefits of a lot of union workers.

We also have money diverted into such esoteric project as green jobs, green cars, cash for clunkers and the like.


11 posted on 09/03/2011 7:32:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Drew68
"Nobody wants to move because they can't sell their homes. They're tethered to underwater mortgages."
12 posted on 09/03/2011 7:32:47 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Drew68

Nobody wants to move because they can’t sell their homes. They’re tethered to underwater mortgages... my house isn’t underwater. My house was bought 17 years ago, hit a high of over $200,00, I owe less than $93,000 and figured I’d sell at $X.00 and move to Belize, to get away from this crap in the USA (which I fought for). Six people told me how much they want this place and agreed to my price, if they could get the money. No banks are lending, thanks to our Communist In Chief.


13 posted on 09/03/2011 7:34:47 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: SeekAndFind

>>7. When you count the unemployed, underemployed and discouraged workers, only 47 percent of the work force is fully employed

I used to be an Industrial Electrician and I evolved upwards to become an Instrument and Controls Technician. Then I evolved upward to become a SCADA Programmer. None of these jobs require a college degree (but graduation from Naval Nuclear Power School is a big plus!!) and there are more positions available than there are qualified applicants. Big Education has failed America by telling children that skilled tradesmen are losers and only those with a degree will succeed. In boom times, this may be partially true because employers can afford to have fat on their staffs but as the economy declines the only thing that wil guarantee lifetime employment is a good set of skills that will allow an employer to profit. A degree that makes you feel “happy and fulfilled” probably doesn’t make anyone else happy.


14 posted on 09/03/2011 7:36:23 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: pepsionice

I did almost the same thing last time, I got a extended stay hotel and lived out of it for almost a year while I traveled back and forth.

We would have kept doing it longer, but the job was steady and the long distance commute was hell.

This time I am definitely going to need the camper.

The good news is that there are lots of campers for sale dirt cheap right now.


15 posted on 09/03/2011 7:37:15 AM PDT by dila813
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve been watching the job situation in my region and field since 2008, when I had my own difficulties and had to shut my company down, took a job with a customer at a substantial pay reduction, but it’s worked out reasonably well.

What I’m seeing in the Piedmont region of North Carolina, in the advertising, marketing and graphics field, is a lot of fairly high end jobs going wanting and a lot of grossly underpaid entry to midlevel positions. Looks to me as if staff reductions have resulted in very odd skillset requirements that few would have had occasion to acquire, they’re wanting to hire three or four distinct disciplines rolled into one individual, right off the bat. Pay’s good, $60k on up to low 100’s, but they’re not getting filled.

Then, you have the bottom fishers, looking to hire marketing directors with a more realistic skillset, for $14.00 an hour. These disappear quickly, they’re being taken out of despiration, and imho being taken advantage of, just a weird employment picture here, sort of surreal.


16 posted on 09/03/2011 7:38:36 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Drew68

>>Nobody wants to move because they can’t sell their homes. They’re tethered to underwater mortgages.

That was the plan. The Central Planners in Soros’ War Room didn’t want us migrating around to stay employed. They need us tied down and begging for handouts for the middle class to abandon the free market in favor of communism.


17 posted on 09/03/2011 7:39:04 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: SeekAndFind
11. For workers over age 55, the average length of unemployment is 43 weeks

Yep, been there twice twice. First at 55 then at 63. Both times because the company closed. The only times in my life I was unemployed.

18 posted on 09/03/2011 7:41:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Bryanw92

Big Education has failed America by telling children that skilled tradesmen are losers and only those with a degree will succeed.

That is something that citizens need to address. No society has ever been built by people that don’t make things.


19 posted on 09/03/2011 7:46:53 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Drew68

They should just cut their houses loose immediately if they can’t make the payments.

Here is the situation:
1. House was purchased for 320k
2. House is worth 220k
3. House payment is 2500
4. House is 3 Months behind in Payments
5. Income is limited to Unemployment Insurance of 1000

The government is doing you a disservice by trying to keep you in the home. They don’t have the discipline for what is needed, but short of the government reducing the principle and wiping out all the late payments, once you are in arrears, it is almost impossible to recover short of winning the lottery or pulling retirement money out.

You have no job....#1 Need Income / Job, UI Insurance destroys your marketability for future jobs, that UI isn’t going to be around for ever. Don’t stay on it no matter what #2 You need expenses that match up to your Job, if your job is 1/2 what you used to make, then you need to have expenses 1/2 what they used to be


20 posted on 09/03/2011 7:47:02 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Bryanw92
This article makes me happy at work when I process hundreds "TPS" reports every day.

This guy looks nothing like me. ha.ha
21 posted on 09/03/2011 7:48:03 AM PDT by 3Fingas ( Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: freedomfiter2

>>That is something that citizens need to address. No society has ever been built by people that don’t make things.

But every parent I know tells their “honor student” (and these days, any student that isn’t an “honor student” is probably a “special needs” student) that they’re going to college and they will one day supervise people with skills. They all are counting on nine other parents sending their kids to trade school (except that Big Ed has almost abolished trade schools in this country).


22 posted on 09/03/2011 7:53:53 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: SeekAndFind
We won't have a double dip recession, as we've been in a depression since Obama took office. FY2008, the federal deficit was 3% of the GDP. FY2009, it ballooned to over 10%, and continues this year with over 10% GDP being the fed spending money that doesn't exist. That's three years of diminished economic output, and certainly will be written in future histories as the depression of 2009.

There's still more to it - literally trillions are still hanging in the air from suppressed foreclosures and property removed from the market, including vast amounts of business property with tenants paying little or no rent for their occupation. Many counties have suppressed underpayment or non payment of property taxes to prevent tax foreclosures from raising it even higher, and the much higher standards required to file bankruptcy for individuals means millions of families that should have discharged their debts are barely inching along while judgments rack up against them.

Also uncounted are the millions who have graduated from college or high school who want to enter the job market who are unable to find a job, with youth unemployment at well over 50%.

Massive federal debts, massively under reported unemployment, under reported inflation, and growing tax liabilities through future mandated programs leaves the upcoming presidential elections ripe for a third party candidate to come sweeping in and do what the Republicans aren't doing, which is tell exactly how bad the economy overall is doing.

Where do we start? Tort and patent reform to remove the two biggest blockages to expanding innovation. Tenure reform to double the capacity of our colleges while lowering costs (such as requiring at least a 20 hour week from professors, rather than the 10 hour week they're averaging now), budget reform to eliminate benefits for elected and appointed officials and minimize the taxpayer costs for government employee benefits.

Start there, and then it becomes far easier to reform Medicare and public benefits to bring them back into more realistic budgetary constraints, and remove the burden on the economy. Yes, we do need regulatory reform, curtailing the size and scope of the government, but the discussion lightly brushes these topics without getting to the root problems in the economy.

23 posted on 09/03/2011 8:01:06 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are millions of jobs being added each year. If you are really serious about getting a job, then just move to Communist china.

Quit your belly-aching about “free trade”.


24 posted on 09/03/2011 8:09:49 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: dila813

Continental Resources is moving to Oklahoma City and is planning to hire at least 461 new employees over seven years with a total average compensation of $130,000 a year.


25 posted on 09/03/2011 8:19:04 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The other problem is that what infrastructure spending we’ve had is going for park beautification, walking trails, bike paths, planting plants along roads citing views and noise abatement - NOT new roads and bridges. If new transportation infrastructure is built, it is trains hardly used or replacing existing buses with more expensive but more eco-friendly buses (so no new actual bus count increases).
It is as if they are seeking to spend on all infrastructure except what the majority actually uses and needs (car based).


26 posted on 09/03/2011 8:27:16 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: dila813
dila813 wrote:
No one wants to move, they want the jobs to come to them!
Actually, noone can move. If you owe the bank more than your house is worth, your are stuck.

I'm wondering how we get past that.

In the past, the resourceful moved to where the jobs were. Downturns were opportunities to move somewhere else and start a new life.

Underwater mortgages take away that option.

27 posted on 09/03/2011 8:32:05 AM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: dila813

Certain states with such job killing policies include California.

In the past, many people moved to other places for work. Yes you do limit yourself if you insist on staying in one place.

And there’s the intangibles if you like where you live. If your friend really likes Seattle, for example, he will be less eager to relocate than somebody who would like the experience of living in some other part of the country.

And I’ve heard that two career couples have a harder time relocating than just a single worker without family issues to deal with.

I’ve heard also that the housing market and people being upside down on mortgages has discouraged people from relocating. They feel tied down to a house they can’t sell, or can’t sell for enough to pay off the mortgage and start somewhere else.


28 posted on 09/03/2011 8:32:48 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

You can find a job, just not a good paying job.


29 posted on 09/03/2011 8:41:04 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego; All

Thankfully I’m not underwater on my mortgage and thank God I am employed and able to care for my family.

That being said, if I were underwater, my credit already blown to pieces, and in debt to a large bank who received billions of dollars in tax payer funded bailouts, I would seriously consider walking away.

Normally I would find that reprehensible, but really, did the government not just give OUR money to these banks, to lend back to us?

Am I off base here? If so, please let me know if I’m missing an angle on this.


30 posted on 09/03/2011 8:49:07 AM PDT by Protoss
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To: freedomfiter2

My company distributes machine tools and company after company I visit need Machinists. Some need 20 and 30 people. They cannot find skilled people. The last generation were scammed by big education to get a business degree and got out of school with life log debt and a job as assistant manager at Wendy’s. Many that are coming from the Vocational schools have no math schools and poor work ethic. You get about 10% that become what employers are looking for.


31 posted on 09/03/2011 8:50:05 AM PDT by cp124 (Government is value subtracted.)
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To: Drew68
...Nobody wants to move because they can't sell their homes. They're tethered to underwater mortgages...

Bingo. Plus, if they file bankruptcy to get out from under all that debt it destroys their credit rating and then they can't get a job because employers are now looking at credit scores of potential hires.

It's a Catch 22 situation.

32 posted on 09/03/2011 8:56:52 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok.)
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To: SeekAndFind
...19 Scary Facts About Getting A Job In America (Just be thankful if you have one)...

I am indeed thankful I have a job and I thank God every day for that. Seriously.

However, life ain't no bed of roses for a lot of us employed folks that are stuck with assh0le bosses and a workload that's killing us.

My supervisor is a jerk, upper management are all mouth breathers and I'm doing the work of five IT people because the company will not hire anyone.

I'd move but I'm a non-residential parent and I already don't get to see my sons enough as it is. I'm not missing them growing up.

So, I suck it up and carry on. I've started working out more after work to blow off the stress. Plus I'm back to meditating regularly and that helps too.

33 posted on 09/03/2011 9:07:27 AM PDT by FReepaholic (I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok.)
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To: Eye of Unk
I agree with your thoughts about multiple skills...Ive done management, marketing, meat cutting, able farm hand, counseling/Psych., carpentry, electrical, heavy equipment operator...

I think that all of these things have help to keep me working with out lapses of more than a month or two.

However, it it also true that I am very willing to move...and most importantly, WORK. There are alot of lazy people out there. B Cool,

34 posted on 09/03/2011 9:17:57 AM PDT by b cool
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“Certain states with such job killing policies include California.”

Don’t forget the other POS state of IL. So many good people down state ruled by bums up-state.


35 posted on 09/03/2011 9:22:18 AM PDT by b cool
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To: SeekAndFind

Aside from the needless pain that is inflicted on society by high unemployment, it also reduces government revenues which in turn adds even more to the deficit.


36 posted on 09/03/2011 9:40:14 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind

Aside from the needless pain that is inflicted on society by high unemployment, it also reduces government revenues which in turn adds even more to the deficit.


37 posted on 09/03/2011 9:42:05 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: b cool

“There are alot of lazy people out there.”

True, the work ethic is not what it used to be. Many employers are very troubled about the laid back attitudes and sense of entitlement of the younger generations.


38 posted on 09/03/2011 9:47:10 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind

“In the most optimistic scenarios, payrolls won’t return to 2008 levels until 2013—in that time population will grow by 5% “

This means that if we continue to allow more immigration, then we have to add 15 million new jobs by 2012. That means we have to add a net new 500,000 jobs each and every month for the next 24 months..............just to stay even.

If there is any month where less than 500,000 more new jobs are not created, then things will get worse and more people will be unemployed.


39 posted on 09/03/2011 9:57:06 AM PDT by CGalen
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To: SeekAndFind

My original inquiry was not do we need onfrastructure, it really is how much state, federal & local funds are used to create one infrastructure job? Just one job. I absolutely thought it was genius for... (Was it LA?) to place monetary fines on untimely construction. Never thought I would day that about LA!


40 posted on 09/03/2011 10:25:53 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Look out Left Coast, we are coming and we have Bibles and Guns! LOL)
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To: SeekAndFind

I worked for a company in Austin for almost 20 years until I was laid off last December. I got a generous severance check and took unemployment for 13 weeks.

I applied all over the state of Texas, interviewed 4-5 times and was hired by a Houston company in April. I relocated there. In June, that company was sold to another firm who took the assets overseas and laid off all the workers (approx. 800). I was let go in August.

I began sending out feelers and was quickly hired by a company back in Austin for whom I started on Thursday.

As I write this, I am staying in my niece’s guest bedroom as I prepare to relocate all my possessions back to Austin again.

With each new job, I’ve accepted less pay and crappier hours but I am very thankful and praise God that I have a job and will soon be getting paychecks again (plus returning to a city where I have friends and family for support).

I’m 54 years old and not ready to hang them up yet.

My advice to anyone out there is to 1) pray 2) be vigilant and 3) don’t be so proud that you won’t make some hard sacrifices just to stay employed.


41 posted on 09/03/2011 10:29:11 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: CGalen
Why are we importing H1b workers with so many (including me) unemployed?

It's rare to hear anyone speak about this...

42 posted on 09/03/2011 10:33:28 AM PDT by Taylor42
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To: cc2k

If you have no job, you have no income, you aren’t going to be paying house payments.....

The people with jobs making house payments obviously don’t have to move.


43 posted on 09/03/2011 11:05:52 AM PDT by dila813
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To: SVTCobra03

Yes, they are all moving simular places, these jobs aren’t going to be in Chicago, LA, or San Fran


44 posted on 09/03/2011 11:07:44 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It isn’t that he likes Seattle, he does, it is that he has a Wife and a kid and doesn’t want to try new places to live on for size.

With the super extended unemployment insurance, you have no motivation.

If he only had 3-6 months of UI without and doubt about it running out after this time, he would change his tune. He told me as much.


45 posted on 09/03/2011 11:14:32 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
dila813 wrote:
If you have no job, you have no income, you aren’t going to be paying house payments.....

The people with jobs making house payments obviously don’t have to move.
You don't have to have a job to make house payments. Nor do you have to haven income. Making house payments takes cash flow, not income. Cash flow can come from consuming savings, or from selling other assets.

And it is a real problem if you get a job offer in another state, but you can't move because you can't sell your current home because you're underwater on your mortgage.

That situation hasn't happened in previous recessions.

46 posted on 09/03/2011 12:47:22 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: Bryanw92
Bryanw92 wrote:
>>That is something that citizens need to address. No society has ever been built by people that don’t make things.

But every parent I know tells their “honor student” (and these days, any student that isn’t an “honor student” is probably a “special needs” student) that they’re going to college and they will one day supervise people with skills. They all are counting on nine other parents sending their kids to trade school (except that Big Ed has almost abolished trade schools in this country).
That, plus every college student today aspires to work for a non profit and make the world a better place.

The ones that aren't good enough to get jobs with actual non-profit institutions go into business and try to operate those businesses in a "socially responsible" way, turning those businesses into non-profits and closing them down and eliminating the jobs that were there.

47 posted on 09/03/2011 12:52:08 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: cc2k

Cash Flow denotes both inflow and outflow from you, as in the cash is flowing through you.

If you only have outflow, you don’t have cash flow.

You would be a fool to pay your house payments on garage sales and savings.

If you get offered another job in another state, move there then make your house payments and if you have the savings and can do garage sales to catch up your house payments, do it. Eventually the housing market can recover and you will be able to either move back or move your family.

My point was, if you are unwilling to move, then many employers are unwilling to hire you. They don’t want a guy that quits after 2-3 years.

If you have to go, go, move......

I really don’t see how anyone who is a conservative can ignore this advice.

Having a mortgage underwater isn’t a valid reason for not moving.

Valid Reasons for not moving:
1. Family Member in Intensive Care in Hospital and might die any hour..
2. ....

Get the picture??


48 posted on 09/03/2011 3:23:37 PM PDT by dila813
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To: cc2k

Been there,

If you have an underwater mortgage and you follow my advice, you will be mailing me on FreeRepublic in 3-4 years saying that I was right and you have recovered all your income and then some.

Some people want to come up with any kind of excuse to not move.

Been there making those excuses in the past, learned how to knock it off and get stuff done.

Stand Tall, Walk Forward, Walk your path to success....don’t let the government turn you into a slave


49 posted on 09/03/2011 3:28:46 PM PDT by dila813
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To: SeekAndFind; a fool in paradise; JoeProBono
9. 4 out of 10 baby boomers said they will have to "work till they drop"

Yep, the Twins are still workin' ! (And they're war babies, not baby bummmers!)

50 posted on 09/03/2011 3:31:02 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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