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2,000-year-old palace discovered in Mexico
Bioscholar ^ | Friday, September 2nd, 2011 | unattributed

Posted on 09/03/2011 11:51:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

A team of Mexican specialists discovered remnants of a 2,000-year-old Mayan palace at an archaeological site in the southeastern state of Chiapas.

"The discovery constitutes the first architectural evidence of such an early occupation of the ancient Mayan cities of the Upper Usumacinta basin" in the Lacandona Jungle, the National Institute of Anthropology and History said in a statement Wednesday.

The project's director, Luis Alberto Martos, said this new discovery was made in a sunken courtyard located in the northern part of the the Plan de Ayutla archaeological site and represents the first evidence of occupation of that area between 50 B.C. and 50 A.D.

Martos added that the earliest concrete evidence of Mayan occupation of that region before now had dated back only to 250 A.D.

He said the palace consists of "rooms with walls almost one meter wide, whose corners are rounded, an early characteristic of Mayan architecture".

The archaeologist added that Mayans of a later era dismantled the palace and filled in the courtyard to raise the level of the other buildings, and that is why "the remains of the early palace remained below and were preserved".

The later constructions were built between 250-800 A.D. and correspond to the Classic period, when this site played an important political role.

This research will provide a deeper look at political interaction and integration in this region, "an area where several kingdoms were in conflict and battles were waged and alliances formed", Martos said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bioscholar.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; mayanpalace; mayans; mexico

1 posted on 09/03/2011 11:51:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

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To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 09/03/2011 11:52:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

They are finding Mayan ruins, faster than I can visit them.


3 posted on 09/03/2011 12:01:27 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: razorback-bert

They had inside plumbing in this particular city — hence the phrase, Sink of the Mayans.


4 posted on 09/03/2011 12:06:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Sink of the Mayans.

Corny! (I wish I had come up with that). I wonder if Bill Clinton has been there.

5 posted on 09/03/2011 12:15:34 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder what would have happened if the “New World” had three things: immunity to Small Pox, oxen and the horse.


6 posted on 09/03/2011 12:20:04 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

And maybe some type of metallurgy. Weren’t their tool principally made of stone?


7 posted on 09/03/2011 12:21:46 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: SunkenCiv

“The chalice from the palace has the brew that is true; but the vessle with the pestle has the pellet that is poison.”


8 posted on 09/03/2011 12:23:06 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!! Laz for President!)
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To: fhayek

You can make all kinds of wonderous stuff with an ample supply of slave labor and tyranny to work them to death and not care.


9 posted on 09/03/2011 12:38:09 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SunkenCiv

This is 300 years before Mayan civilization was thought to have started.

It might be better described as pre-Mayan. Just because they find a ruin in the same place mayan civilization existed doesn’t mean it’s part of the same civ and culture.


10 posted on 09/03/2011 12:52:54 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mount Athos

Au contraire — Mayan civ began circa 500 BC.


11 posted on 09/03/2011 1:51:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Sawdring

They had latex — wonder why they never invented rubber boots, or condoms?


12 posted on 09/03/2011 1:52:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

The well gnawed bones of the sacrificial victims were the clinching proof the site was a genuine Mayan site.


13 posted on 09/03/2011 1:52:58 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: Sawdring

“I wonder what would have happened if the “New World” had three things: immunity to Small Pox, oxen and the horse.”

I can’t answer your question, but I can tell you what would happen if pigs could fly.

Answer: The price of bacon would be sky high.

And, a question for ALL - why did the Indigenous in the Upper Michigan area walk over huge outcroppings of mettalic copper (metal, not ore) and never learn to use it for anything other than ornamental use?


14 posted on 09/03/2011 1:56:29 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I think it translates as "Stay Thirsty My Friends."

15 posted on 09/03/2011 1:57:27 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: GladesGuru
And, a question for ALL - why did the Indigenous in the Upper Michigan area walk over huge outcroppings of mettalic copper (metal, not ore) and never learn to use it for anything other than ornamental use?

I, for one, am in awe of the achievements of prehistoric human beings who lived ten or more millennia ago who, without any guide or model to work from developed amazing technologies. Metalurgy, rope making, fabric weaving, food preservation, harnessing fire, agriculture, tanning leather, creating the wheel, pottery, inventing tools, to say nothing about the rudiments of math, language, science, art. I mean, just take the tanning of leather. Somehow they figured out if they used urine, and the bark of an oak tree, they could create a material out of animal skins. I mean, I'd like to see the average person create something like that today without any reference source. We owe a great deal to these 'stone age' pioneers.

16 posted on 09/03/2011 2:46:48 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: GladesGuru

Maybe Obsidian held its edge better.


17 posted on 09/03/2011 4:12:11 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring; GladesGuru
why did the Indigenous in the Upper Michigan area walk over huge outcroppings of mettalic copper (metal, not ore) and never learn to use it for anything other than ornamental use?

My tiny brain, armed with no systematic knowledge of physical anthropology, has thought about that question in general, ie. why no metal tools on a continent abundant with metals? My answer is that perhaps they lacked a ceramic pottery hard enough to melt metals in. And even if they could melt it, or just hammer soft metals like lead, copper and gold into tools, they may not have been as good for the job as things like bone and obsidian, as Sawdring suggests.

For another reason, I believe a stable civilization with large, permanent cities is prerequisite for something as advanced as metalurgy. Most NA peoples were semi-nomadic, following the herds. Time to think and experiment are luxuries of advanced societies.

18 posted on 09/04/2011 12:15:27 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (The world will be a better place when humanity learns not to try to make it a perfect place)
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To: GladesGuru
... immunity to Small Pox, oxen and the horse.

Geronamo and his warriors give one an idea of what can be accomplished by just a small band when they have mastered the horse. Communication and trade would have skyrocketed, and the 'invading' Europeans might have faced mighty empires instead of warring bands of nomads. Yes, a very good question.

19 posted on 09/04/2011 12:20:07 AM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (The world will be a better place when humanity learns not to try to make it a perfect place)
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow I was way off, sorry about that


20 posted on 09/05/2011 12:04:20 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: GladesGuru
And, a question for ALL - why did the Indigenous in the Upper Michigan area walk over huge outcroppings of mettalic copper (metal, not ore) and never learn to use it for anything other than ornamental use?

Like fish hooks, knives, awls, spear points?

They did.

Look up old copper culture great lakes and you can see some of what they have dug up.

Problem is that copper is really too soft a metal to use everything for and the tin deposits were down in Florida so bronze was never discovered.

21 posted on 09/05/2011 12:23:30 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Can we ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Easily. All nonsense questions are unanswerable.)
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To: Mount Athos

It is true that it used to be thought to be younger, but later finds (probably made since we were both in school) have pushed back the origins of city-building in the Americas. Don’t get Blam started on Caral... ;’)

The Olmecs (who were predecessors of the Mayans, and their earlier system of writing was further developed by the Mayans) used to be thought to have been in that ballpark (500 BC at earliest), but that’s been kicked back at least 1000 years. The largest known Mayan city was built in what used to be considered their PreClassic period. :’)


22 posted on 09/05/2011 6:15:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
;') [singing] two thousand uno du'os party over says the lights of heaven /
tonight i'm gonna party like it's two thousand eleven
December 20, 2012

23 posted on 09/05/2011 6:21:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I saw the movie. How bad can the threat be if humanity is saved by the acting skills of John Cusack?


24 posted on 09/05/2011 6:25:51 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

That’s a little unfair. That one character he plays in every movie he’s ever been in is done to perfection.


25 posted on 09/05/2011 7:48:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ok, but I still want my two dollars!


26 posted on 09/06/2011 6:22:35 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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