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Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American
American Thinker ^ | September 1, 2011 | Matthew Vadum

Posted on 09/06/2011 11:41:47 AM PDT by Twotone

Why are left-wing activist groups so keen on registering the poor to vote?

Because they know the poor can be counted on to vote themselves more benefits by electing redistributionist politicians. Welfare recipients are particularly open to demagoguery and bribery.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: clowardpiven; voterfraud
I'm very surprised that this article wasn't posted already! But of course, it's stuff we FReepers already know.
1 posted on 09/06/2011 11:41:55 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: All

Only land owners should be allowed to vote.


2 posted on 09/06/2011 11:43:29 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Twotone

Every American citizen has the right to vote.


3 posted on 09/06/2011 11:43:52 AM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Twotone

Alzheimer patients get to sign up...Sick....but you know it is happening.


4 posted on 09/06/2011 11:44:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Twotone

One should only be able to vote where one pays taxes.

If you don’t pay Fed taxes then you should be barred from voting in Federal elections.

If you don’t pay taxes in the state , you must not be allowed to vote in that state.


5 posted on 09/06/2011 11:45:36 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama is bad luck for the US.)
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To: Cincinna

Agreed. Even those who don’t own property are affected by the decisions government makes. They also pay taxes in many ways and they contribute to the economy.


6 posted on 09/06/2011 11:47:34 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Twotone

If the poor can’t vote, then I’m out.
If only land owners can vote, I’m out.

I’m DAMN sure not a Democrat, and I DAMN sure for conservatives. Why take my vote out? Yes, I understand the reason, but c’mon!


7 posted on 09/06/2011 11:48:47 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers”~Sarah Louise Palin)
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To: NoLibZone

What nonsense. Just what taxes do you mean? Sales tax? Gasoline tax? Tax on alcohol? The money taken from the rent you pay which the land owner uses to pay tax? How about unemployment tax? What about money taken from your wages for FICA?

The idea of a system where by design citizens are shut out from having a voice in our government is repugnant in the extreme. To establish policy that furthers class division is playing right into the hands of radical liberalism.


8 posted on 09/06/2011 11:51:11 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: lastchance

What is repugnant in the extreme is the idea of a system where people can vote money out of your pocket and into theirs.

I’ll take silencing the parasites over that anytime.


9 posted on 09/06/2011 11:55:48 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: troy McClure

I would say: Only citizens who pay federal income taxes should be allowed to vote; also active duty and retired military personnel, whether or not they earn enough to pay taxes.

There is only a finite amount of land available for ownership, and I would not deny the vote to anyone who works hard and positively contributes to our nation.


10 posted on 09/06/2011 11:58:37 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Twotone
The time is long since past, to reverse the trend towards always extending the suffrage, to reevaluating the whole question. Under the Constitution, the requirements for suffrage were left to the States--even as to suffrage in Federal elections--with the Federal suffrage being determined in each State, by that State's standards for its most popular House of the State Legislature (Art. I, Sec. 2, United States Constitution.) But the politicians, have long since abandoned that wise provision in favor of jockying for advantage by extending the suffrage, by Constitutional Amendments, that override whatever the social values of the individual States provided.

Yet the clear conflict of interest, over Federal entitlements, makes it mandatory that we reexamine this, before the worst prophesies of our future come home to roost. (See Universal Suffrage--Threat To Freedom.) The present debt crisis is directly attributable to allowing people to elect parasites who will feather their respective nests, rather than serve the intended Constitutional purpose of providing an economic environment that brings out the best, rather than the absolute worst, in the individual citizen.

If you receive an unearned benefit from the Federal Government, there ought to be an appropriate cut-off of voting rights for a period comparable to that in which your conflict of interest is apparent, plus two years--or some such..

William Flax

11 posted on 09/06/2011 11:59:10 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: NoLibZone
You are probably right. Unfortunately, people will probably do the selfish thing and vote themselves more Obama money versus do the right thing.

It happens at all levels, too — we vote for the politician who brings the most pork to our States. We may have only paid a small fraction in taxes of what is returned to us in pork.

I guess that is the system, however imperfect.

12 posted on 09/06/2011 11:59:35 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: troy McClure

that’s primitive.

but we really should outlaw motor voter registrations, programs to asssist people to register, and voter registration advertisment campaigns.


13 posted on 09/06/2011 12:00:54 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: lastchance

If the tax code were revised so everyone payed a flat tax and our ridiculous progressive income tax were abolished, then I think you would agree, getting everyone to have ‘skin in the game’ would not be discriminatory.


14 posted on 09/06/2011 12:01:28 PM PDT by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: lastchance
See my post #11. The fair way to handle this is to restrict the suffrage to those who do not accept unearned benefits from Governments. Obviously those who receive Veterans' benefits have earned them; but there are all sorts of benefits being paid today to those who have not earned them. Those "entitlements" are what are bankrupting the Governments, State & Federal.

William Flax

15 posted on 09/06/2011 12:07:13 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: NoLibZone

Everybody pays taxes, whether they know it or not. Not everybody pays INCOME TAX. But the working poor pay SS and Medicare, and everyone pays sales taxes, utility taxes, gas taxes, etc. plus they pay corporate income tax indirectly in the cost of everything they consume.


16 posted on 09/06/2011 12:15:46 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Ohioan

So are Social Security and Medicare “unearned” in your book? I’ve been paying into them for 40 years now.


17 posted on 09/06/2011 12:18:36 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: All

Anyone can be a land owner in the USA.

Everyone can but you have to make the effort.

http://www.cheaplandinamerica.com/


18 posted on 09/06/2011 12:22:30 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Hugin
The fair & logical way to handle the problem is to "cut to the chase." The problem is people electing representatives who will reward them with unearned entitlements. The remedy is that if you accept an unearned entitlement, you give up your suffrage, effective immediately & for at least two years after the entitlement ends. If you refuse the "bribe," you keep your vote.

See #11.

William Flax

19 posted on 09/06/2011 12:22:42 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: troy McClure

Renters pay their landlord’s property taxes but get no deduction for it.


20 posted on 09/06/2011 12:24:29 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: troy McClure

Voting should be reverted back to its original intent. You do not read about non-slave-owning moochers voting in the late 1770s!


21 posted on 09/06/2011 12:25:10 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Hugin
You have answered your own question. If you have been paying for a benefit, it is not unearned. No one is trying to deny anyone what they have contracted for. That is not the point. But someone put on SSI because of a disability is not in your shoes. Nor are a lot of other beneficiaries of various other programs.

William Flax

22 posted on 09/06/2011 12:25:40 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

You didn’t answer my question.


23 posted on 09/06/2011 12:27:25 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Ohioan

OK.


24 posted on 09/06/2011 12:28:10 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Twotone

Stupid article...oh my God the poor get to vote!

Ring wing organizations should be registering the poor too, duh!


25 posted on 09/06/2011 12:28:32 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: All

http://www.businessinsider.com/houses-for-1-dollar-2010-12


26 posted on 09/06/2011 12:30:02 PM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Twotone

20+ million illegal aliens are in effect prospective democrats..
Anyone for amnesty or anything like amnesty is FOR more democrats..

i.e. Perry, Romney, Juan McLame.. (BUSH{all of them})


27 posted on 09/06/2011 12:33:14 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: troy McClure
"Only land owners should be allowed to vote."

Why stop there?


/Sarcasm off

People who want to limit which citizens can vote and which can't shouldn't be allowed to vote!

28 posted on 09/06/2011 12:39:28 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: troy McClure
"Only land owners should be allowed to vote."

Why stop there?


/Sarcasm off

People who want to limit which citizens can vote and which can't shouldn't be allowed to vote!

29 posted on 09/06/2011 12:39:41 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Twotone

I don’t mind non-tax-paying non-land-owning people voting, what I do mind is them voting themselves money not just out of the treasury but out of the national credit card _and_ voting to raise the credit limit. THIS IS INSANE.


30 posted on 09/06/2011 12:46:11 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Track9

Yes, that’s the next step after imposing a “balance the budget” imperative: uniform flat tax. I don’t care so much what the mode of taxation is so long as everyone has a fair share of (if income tax, then N% thereof ... make 1000x as much, pay 1000x as much).


31 posted on 09/06/2011 12:48:30 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: troy McClure

That...is awesome.

Nigh unto worthless properties for a long time to come, but so long as I could find one with a mountain view I’d be happy.

Stop...tempting...me...


32 posted on 09/06/2011 12:55:09 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Ohioan

“If you receive an unearned benefit from the Federal Government, there ought to be an appropriate cut-off of voting rights for a period comparable to that in which your conflict of interest is apparent, plus two years—or some such..”

Personally, I think that’s reasonable but it won’t ever happen. There’s too much emphasis on the ‘right’ over the responsibility. One thing Republicans can do, as they gain control at the state level, is to rescind motor voter & other ways to easily register voters. Voting should be the act of a responsible person, willing to make the effort to go to their county elections office & register. And voting should require the physical effort to go to your poll station, give proof of identity, & then vote.

We have vote by mail here in Oregon, & I’m sure our elections are rife with fraud.

There-in lies another key point: force the Sec of State to purge voter rolls. If necessary, make it so you have to re-register every five years, just like a drivers license.

That should take care of some of the problem.


33 posted on 09/06/2011 1:08:38 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Twotone

it isn’t un-american but it may be anti-american. the democrat party is not un-american but it is anti-american. OTOH the CBC is un-american, anti-american, and recist.


34 posted on 09/06/2011 1:11:04 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Ohioan
"But someone put on SSI because of a disability is not in your shoes. "

So someone paying taxes for SSI disability, who then becomes disabled, is receiving an earned benefit too, right?

35 posted on 09/06/2011 1:12:28 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Twotone

Read this thread entirely.

We may defeat Obama in 2012, but we are screwed unless something changes. Obamama is a problem, but not the problem. The problem is the lowest common denominator electorate that elected a Marxist rabble rouser with no governing/business experience.

The democrats can always import illegal voters at a faster rate than we can create working, responsible citizens. They have the demographics on their side.

Unless those non-working citizens who receive govt. free money are denied the vote, they will vote for whomever buys their vote.


36 posted on 09/06/2011 1:26:01 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: The_Media_never_lie

“The problem is the lowest common denominator electorate that elected a Marxist rabble rouser with no governing/business experience.”

I have to disagree. Yes, this is part of the problem, but Obama was elected by white, middle class people suffering from white guilt. I’ve mentioned this on other threads. My mother is a LIFE-LONG Republican. She’s 85 & spends her days sitting in front of a tv - mostly CNN & ABC (The View, Oprah). When we talked about the elections she said the Republicans were ‘horrible’ even though she’d previously been for McCain against W. She wouldn’t say (or couldn’t say) what exactly was horrible, but I know it was most likely that she thought Sarah Palin was horrible. Sarah was characterized by the left-wing media as an incoherent moron. Obama on the other hand was characterized as a brilliant academic who’d lectured on the constitution. My mother insisted Obama was moderate & happily voted for him.

To this day she will not acknowledge what he truly is.

Part of our problem will be resolved by making voting a bit more difficult so only those who are truly interested do it. Next we need to do something about the media & force them to be honest. I have no idea how we’ll do that.


37 posted on 09/06/2011 1:50:29 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Cincinna
Every American citizen has the right to vote.

Oh Really?

The mentally ill? The comatose? The illiterate? Morans, imbeciles and idiots? The dead? The incarcerated? The non-productive? Welfare recipients? Can't pass a drug test?

Really?

38 posted on 09/06/2011 1:56:40 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: DannyTN

Add one to your list, people who double post are not allowed to vote.


39 posted on 09/06/2011 2:01:06 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: SandwicheGuy
"Add one to your list, people who double post are not allowed to vote."

Double Posters are the worst!

40 posted on 09/06/2011 2:04:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Double Posters are the worst!

That's funny!

41 posted on 09/06/2011 2:17:11 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: Cincinna
Every American citizen has the right to vote.

No way! Not until they are 18 years old.

42 posted on 09/06/2011 2:19:59 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Ohioan

I agree with the premise that if you are receiving food stamps, welfare, etc. then you are not eligible to vote during the time you are receiving those benefits. Many welfare recipients are like children, expecting for their every need to be supplied by someone else. We don’t let our children vote so why should we let child-like adults vote?


43 posted on 09/06/2011 2:25:57 PM PDT by Josa
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To: DannyTN

Bravo!


44 posted on 09/06/2011 6:47:59 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: SandwicheGuy

Scratch people who can’t spell as well.


45 posted on 09/06/2011 7:23:28 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Twotone

We need to absolutely verify if voters are citizens and eligible to vote. Obviously there are too many locales and election offices (sanctuary cities) that believe citizenship is irrelevant to rights.

Additionally I don’t trust politicians of EITHER party. Both will, given the opportunity, attempt to circumvent our election system, especially now that we have hackable voting machines with out an audit trail. Once either Party thinks they have the ability to usurp the people’s vote, God help us.

We need a third and fourth Party to keep the other two honest. That’s why purchasing agents always want and need at least 3 vendors to prevent collusion.

A paper ballot that has no ambiguity and that can be counted and recounted and stored for posterity is a better option. Forget the need to get an immediate result for the media. We can use an absentee ballot but they are only counted when the electronic voting outcome is very close. Only if we all used absentee ballots would it make a difference.


46 posted on 09/07/2011 6:56:37 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: DannyTN
"So someone paying taxes for SSI disability, who then becomes disabled, is receiving an earned benefit too, right?"

More correctly, something analogous to a contracted for benefit, as that is one of the benefits provided for having such coverage. (I am simplifying the legal aspect, here; but the point is that such a receipt should not disqualify one from voting.)

William Flax

47 posted on 09/07/2011 8:27:07 AM PDT by Ohioan
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