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Officials investigate missing ammo at Fort Bragg
AP via Yahoo ^ | sept 12, 2011 | staff reporter

Posted on 09/11/2011 3:35:34 AM PDT by Daffynition

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. (AP) — Officials at Fort Bragg say an investigation is under way into the disappearance of nearly 14,000 rounds of ammunition at the Army base.

Staff Sgt. Joshua Ford, a spokesman for the 82nd Airborne Division, says the ammunition went missing from the 1st Brigade Combat Team at Fort Bragg.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: ammo; ammunition; fortbragg

1 posted on 09/11/2011 3:35:38 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Uh oh! Watch out for the Amish. . .


2 posted on 09/11/2011 3:57:52 AM PDT by mia
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To: Daffynition

Operation Fast & Furious? What good is an empty gun?


3 posted on 09/11/2011 4:00:30 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Daffynition

Note to the Ass. Press: The Marines, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard have bases. The Army has posts. I know none of you ever gave a second thought to wearing the uniform (you’re above that, and people can get hurt & even killed in the military!) but at least try to act like you know what you’re talking about. It’ll help you fool the great unwashed masses all the more...


4 posted on 09/11/2011 4:23:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: mia
That'salotta ammo to carry off in a camel and buggy!


5 posted on 09/11/2011 4:24:28 AM PDT by Daffynition (Obama's job plan is that it's all designed as a desperate effort to save just one job: his own)
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To: Dixie Yooper
You may be right! Someone is stocking up...remember the last election cycle and we couldn't find ammo anywhere?


6 posted on 09/11/2011 4:26:51 AM PDT by Daffynition (Obama's job plan is that it's all designed as a desperate effort to save just one job: his own)
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To: Daffynition

Say What? 14,000 rounds is really not that much ammunition, but it cannot just dissappear. Someone is signed for it, It had to be stored somewhere, they don’t give ammunition to soldiers in this country to carry around.

You don’t just walk in one day and 14,000 rounds are missing.


7 posted on 09/11/2011 4:36:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Daffynition

If I’m not mistaken, one ammo box contains 1000 rounds of 5.56 mm ammo. That would account for 14 boxes. Ft. Bragg is a huge Army post. I’ve heard that some units would rather get rid of the ammo rather than turn it in because of the hassle it would be to fill out the paperwork on returned ammo. Check the local rivers or lakes.


8 posted on 09/11/2011 4:37:05 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: mia

No. Watch out for the Swedes
http://www.thelocal.se/36066/20110911/


9 posted on 09/11/2011 4:40:42 AM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: Venturer

I was trying to do the math....35# / thousand rounds; that would fit in a pick-up, no?


10 posted on 09/11/2011 4:42:32 AM PDT by Daffynition (Obama's job plan is that it's all designed as a desperate effort to save just one job: his own)
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To: MuttTheHoople

“I’ve heard that some units would rather get rid of the ammo rather than turn it in because of the hassle it would be to fill out the paperwork on returned ammo.”

My company at the time sold radios to the military. The special forces and regular foot patrols carried the radios and extra five pound batteries on missions. The battery contained chemicals “known by the state of California to cause cancer” and they were festooned with labels requiring spent batteries to be returned for proper disposal. Our field engineer NEVER got a battery back from the field. I asked him why and he said, “They weigh 5 pounds. These guys won’t even carry them to the helicopter. They drop them wherever they are.”


11 posted on 09/11/2011 4:48:48 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

USCG did the same thing for 100 years with batteries for unmanned lighthouses and navigational aids. Some points had dozens or hundreds littering the bottom around them.

USCG process for battery replacement:
1) out goes the old battery 2) splash 3) install new.


12 posted on 09/11/2011 5:57:26 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: Daffynition

Not a lot of ammo. This is, to my mind, a nonstory. No offense to you WHATSOEVER, of course.


13 posted on 09/11/2011 6:04:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If Hitler had been as lazy as Obama, the 1940's would have been a very nice decade!!)
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To: Gen.Blather
and they were festooned with labels requiring spent batteries to be returned for proper disposal.

We had a unit turn in 20 - 30 lithium batteries that were not totally discharged. They had them in a box on a pallet. Those batteries started venting and later started exploding.

14 posted on 09/11/2011 6:08:37 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, please let it rain in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Lazamataz
Like you point out, this is just a couple thousand $$$ worth of ammo. If not misplaced or at the bottom of a lake, then it will show up at a gun show.

It's a small financial loss, not a security issue like if somebody drove off with a pickup full of C4 or Stringer missiles.

15 posted on 09/11/2011 6:12:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Daffynition

Probably in the trunk of a car with a good sized one.


16 posted on 09/11/2011 6:12:35 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Don’t get it and anyway 14,000 rounds assuming it’s 5.56mm is not much for an entire divisional training mission. And how did it disappear from a brigade combat team?

Ammo is stored and issued from a post ammo supply point (I’m talking Fort Jackson SC). To draw ammo for weapons qual you have to be E-6 or above, have a safety card, your name on the ASP signature card for your unit DODAAC, your vehicle has to be safety equipped and placarded for HAZMAT, etc., etc.

And after you draw the ammo (based on an ammo forecast submitted well in advance) it has to be stored in a bunker on the ASP grounds until the actual firing day. And the unit commander is ultimately responsible (of course) for issue and use of ammo and turn in of residue (brass).

Unless somebody’s on the 82d Division CG’s carpet right now, this story doesn’t add up, JMHO.


17 posted on 09/11/2011 6:17:13 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: MuttTheHoople

Yep, 14K rounds is about 14 shoe-boxes full, for non-shooters to visualize the amount. THis is a rounding error on an Army base. No big deal.


18 posted on 09/11/2011 6:22:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Lazamataz

Pondering this...after a second cup ‘o joe, me thinks you are right. The LSM just wants us to remain in a *panic*...being the anniversary of 9/11.


19 posted on 09/11/2011 6:23:58 AM PDT by Daffynition (Obama's job plan is that it's all designed as a desperate effort to save just one job: his own)
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To: PapaBear3625
Not any more [probably less] than a cache in a FReeper's home>


20 posted on 09/11/2011 6:45:10 AM PDT by Daffynition (Obama's job plan is that it's all designed as a desperate effort to save just one job: his own)
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To: Daffynition

I bought a 500 rd box of 5.56 recently and it measured 11”L x 6”H x 6”W. It would take 28 of these boxes to add up to 14,000 rounds. 396 cubic inches per box X 28 is 11088 total cubic inches, divided by 1728 would be 6.42 cubic feet. It would fit in the back seat of my truck with room for a lot more left over. Please check my math if you so desire.

I have had, from time to time, upwards of 10,000 rounds of various calibers in my safe. I could put a pretty good dent in that in one day at the range with a few friends.

14,000 rounds is a nice number to have around for just anybody that shoots on a regular basis. This is nothing for a military post like Bragg.


21 posted on 09/11/2011 7:05:07 AM PDT by kt56 (Molon Labe)
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To: kt56
Your calculations look spot on!

Can never have enuf TP, coffee and ammo cached, for when the SHTF. :)


22 posted on 09/11/2011 7:38:01 AM PDT by Daffynition (Obama's job plan is that it's all designed as a desperate effort to save just one job: his own)
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To: mia

I actually hope it is being moved and stored like the colonist did in Lexington and Concord.


23 posted on 09/11/2011 7:50:25 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: Daffynition

Look! Look over here at the missing 5.56 ammo! No! Don’t look at the missing MANPAD surface-to-air missiles in Libya!


24 posted on 09/11/2011 7:54:39 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Daffynition

WOW, nice room! If I only had a basement. I live in a townhouse with no basement. I do have an extra bedroom that only houses gun cases and a closet full of cammo. I’ve been meaning to bring that room up to full storage status. I have to keep my safe downstairs. No way that 1000 lbs (empty) beast is going up the stairs. I don’t think the floor would hold it.


25 posted on 09/11/2011 8:02:18 AM PDT by kt56 (Molon Labe)
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