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Vanity: Opting out of Vaccinations: Texas vs Alaska (Current as of 2009: Easier in Texas)
National Vaccine Information Center ^ | Current as of 2009

Posted on 09/12/2011 10:50:27 PM PDT by icwhatudo

In Texas:

"An affidavit signed by the applicant or, if a minor, by the applicant's parent or guardian stating that the applicant declines immunization for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief. A form must be obtained at the Health Department."

In Alaska:

"Statement by M.D., D.O., P.A, or advanced nurse practitioner stating that immunizations would be injurious to the health of the child or members of the child's family or household

OR

"Affidavit affirming immunization conflicts with "tenets and practices of the church or religious denomination of which the applicant is a member"


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Reference
KEYWORDS: gardasil; hpv; palin; perry; vaccinations
In Alaska, unless you are "a member" of a particular church or denomination, your only hope is to get a medical professional to certify the vaccination will harm you. In Texas, you just fill out a form saying it goes against your "conscience".
1 posted on 09/12/2011 10:50:31 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: icwhatudo

Not to mention that in 2003, four years before Gardasil was approved by the FDA, Rick Perry signed a piece of legislation that lets Texas parents OPT OUT of ANY immunizations they deem dangerous to their children, OR opt in, if they don’t.

Bachmann got written off the short list tonight because of her political hackery. Palin better do her research before she fully digs in on the Gardasil issue.


2 posted on 09/12/2011 10:55:02 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: icwhatudo
A distinction without a difference.

A religion is whatever I say it is. Any provision to the contrary is an establishment of religion and unconstitutional. So, if Gardasil is against my conscience, I don't need the say-so of no stinkin' medical professional.

3 posted on 09/12/2011 11:00:49 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

“for reasons of conscience, including a religious belief”

vs

“conflicts with tenets and practices of the church or religious denomination of which the applicant is a member”

Seems pretty different to me. Not only do you have to be a “member” for that to work, it has to go against the “tenets and practices” of that particular church or denomination...otherwise find an Alaskan doc that says it will hurt you.


4 posted on 09/12/2011 11:07:46 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: cynwoody

“A distinction without a difference”

Not sure what you mean here. There is a big difference between the two. In TX you don’t need a Dr. to sign off, in AK you do.


5 posted on 09/12/2011 11:10:19 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: RowdyFFC

Bachman was desparate and Palin is jealous. I don’t the Gardisil issue will hurt Perry too much. They both look petty.

The immigraton issue could cost Perry some support, however. But don’t kmow who it will help.


6 posted on 09/12/2011 11:15:28 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: icwhatudo

I just home schooled in Texas and skipped all the crap.


7 posted on 09/12/2011 11:19:22 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: icwhatudo

Wow. That’s a find. Hope you’ll keep this info at the ready over the next few days.


8 posted on 09/12/2011 11:19:56 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: icwhatudo

Bachmann and Santorum sounded shrill and uninformed tonight when attacking Governor Perry about the HPV vaccine. He explained the situation, and since that was several years ago, this should have been a non-issue.


9 posted on 09/12/2011 11:21:08 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: kalee

Placemarker


10 posted on 09/12/2011 11:28:29 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: kalee

Placemarker


11 posted on 09/12/2011 11:28:40 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: chuckles

Even here in commie mn. we could opt out of all vaccines. and I did.


12 posted on 09/12/2011 11:31:25 PM PDT by Brimack34 (Tea party will not settle)
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To: icwhatudo
Uh, is this relative to Perry's executive order to mandate the inoculation of female children for STD?

Or, it this for the standard mandated school inoculations throughout the US for children?

Sarah Palin made it quite clear in some of her 24,000 emails poured over by the LSM, that she was very critical of what Perry was doing at the time. Also she made it known to the Alaska legislature than any such bill would be vetoed by her.

Now if you cannot see the difference, that is your problem, not mine.

13 posted on 09/12/2011 11:39:44 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: icwhatudo
Not only do you have to be a “member” for that to work, it has to go against the “tenets and practices” of that particular church or denomination

But I can be a church or denomination of one, complete with whatever tenets and practices I receive via divine revelation (i.e., dream up). Or, if I can't, then the state is arrogating the right to establish a religion, which is illegal under the Constitution.

On some other thread, someone mentioned that the reason the Texas law was opt-out was that opt-in would have disqualified the opt-inners from insurance coverage. Whereas, of course, those who didn't want it could opt-out for free. They just needed to read their mail. So, arguably, Perry's only victims in the Gardasil thing were the insurance companies.

14 posted on 09/12/2011 11:41:41 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: F1reEng1neRed
Not sure what you mean here. There is a big difference between the two. In TX you don’t need a Dr. to sign off, in AK you do.

Both states had a religious conscience opt-out, which can be stretched as far as you want with a straight face.

15 posted on 09/12/2011 11:44:57 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: RowdyFFC

“Bachmann got written off the short list tonight because of her political hackery. Palin better do her research before she fully digs in on the Gardasil issue.”

Palin isn’t running or debating. Bachmann is the one who went with the whole crony accusation. It sounds like something Ed Rollins would tell her to bring up in order to appear tough. Typical dirty tricks style negative campaigning.


16 posted on 09/12/2011 11:47:23 PM PDT by ari-freedom (It's time for Obama to get a downgrade.)
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To: icwhatudo

So IF Alaska is wrong, does that make Texas right?


17 posted on 09/12/2011 11:55:13 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sea Parrot

Post No. 13 - good, INFORMATIVE post!


18 posted on 09/12/2011 11:56:53 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: icwhatudo
So did Palin accept a $5,000 campaign donation or did her former CoS work for the drug companies when these requirements were passed? If not I fail to see your point. Or maybe you wanted to point out how Palin tried to ignore the state elected lawmakers and mandate a vaccine for a STD by EO?
19 posted on 09/13/2011 12:06:30 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: Grey Eagle

I agree.


20 posted on 09/13/2011 12:59:42 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Sea Parrot

There are around 20 states who either fund or require the HPV vacination. It depends on what state you are in what is meant by standard mandated school inoculations.
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=14381


21 posted on 09/13/2011 1:10:46 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: unseen1

>> did her former CoS work for the drug companies

Circumstantial concerning Perry.

One can only speculate Perry’s motives were based in cronyism, but his decision crossed the line of Liberty which is not disputable. As I have nothing else to go by, I take him at his word regarding motive and regrets which is not the evil his adversaries contend.


22 posted on 09/13/2011 1:11:03 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: unseen1

Do you really think that $5K, which equals .00017% of his campaign treasury, is enough to bribe him to do something as unpopular as the HPV mandate unless he believed it was the right thing to do anyways?


23 posted on 09/13/2011 1:15:58 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: icwhatudo
Not quite sure what your point is regarding the comparative ease of opt out procedures on vaccines in Alaska vs. Texas. That policy in Alaska was not set by Gov. Palin so it fails as some sort of comparison to Perry.

A more valid comparison point is what Governor Palin believed about mandating vaccines.

This is from an email Governor Palin sent on January 18, 2008:

From: gov.sarah©yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: fyi-Chicken-pox immunization regulations

Sharon-pls coordinate with Lt. Governor's office as they release this, as we don't want to have to follow up and explain it's Bd of Ed's call. If asked tho, u can let folks know I would not propose govt mandating anything like shots for our kids.
Source: http://rawdata.sarahsinbox.com/11279.pdf
24 posted on 09/13/2011 3:01:25 AM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: icwhatudo

I’m a little disturbed at all this anti-immunization talk.

I think the gardisil order that Perry put in place was wrong for many reasons, but primarily because HPV is not, how can I put this, let me say “openly” contagious.

However, we are beginning to have problems with the recrudescence of many very bad diseases, such as whooping cough, because parents are not vaccinating their young children against extremely contagious diseases.

A large part of that is coming from the discredited, but still believed, rumors that vaccines cause autism.

So, I don’t want the baby (vaccinated or otherwise) thrown out with the bathwater.


25 posted on 09/13/2011 3:18:44 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: AHerald

The point is both states mandated vaccines. Perry changed state policy to allow parents to opt-out much easier. I have found no evidence that Palin did the same to Alaska’s policy.


26 posted on 09/13/2011 3:20:33 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: jospehm20

yes


27 posted on 09/13/2011 5:08:34 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: Gene Eric

nothing else to go on? his record is full of events with questionable pay to play activities


28 posted on 09/13/2011 5:10:29 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: icwhatudo
The point is both states mandated vaccines. Perry changed state policy to allow parents to opt-out much easier. I have found no evidence that Palin did the same to Alaska’s policy

Good point.

I would enjoy seeing Sarah in the debates, and hope she enters the race soon.
It would be nice to hear her address this, and defend her positions as a candidate.
29 posted on 09/13/2011 5:29:39 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: cynwoody

Actually, no. In Texas you can opt out for matters of ‘conscience’ or ‘conscious objector’. That means if you deem the immunization dangerous to your children.


30 posted on 09/13/2011 5:29:45 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: tirednvirginia

Palin is jealous? How so? Because when Merck approached her about gardasil, she put the interests and parental rights of her constituents before crony capitalism???


31 posted on 09/13/2011 5:32:38 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: F1reEng1neRed

When we were going through this, I found that I couldn’t opt-out my daughter for Gardasil and still allow her to get polio, MMR, etc. It was an all-or-nothing situation. Either we allow all vaccines or she doesn’t get any.

I couldn’t opt-out my daughter for medical reasons, even with a doctor backing me up.

People are saying that Perry later added the medical exemption, but I do believe that was after Gardasil was no longer mandatory. That wasn’t the situation when we were fighting it.

I don’t understand why Perry supporters try to gloss this one over. The guy screwed up. Period. I love Palin, but I think she was wrong to walk away from her governor’s position. In her case, I see enough positives, that I can forgive the negative. I know I’m not going to get a perfect candidate (sadly, they’re all still human), so I’m weighing the pros and cons.

By denying that he even did anything wrong, or warping the resolution (”he fixed it and admitted that he made a mistake”... no, he didn’t) they make the rest of us, who see this as VERY wrong, harp even more.

Why can’t we all admit that this was a dumb move? Then we can compare it to Romney Care (a MUCH dumber move) and say, ‘compared to the other front-runner, he really is the better candidate.’


32 posted on 09/13/2011 7:58:56 AM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did. (NO to Bush II))
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To: AHerald

Her grammar is atrocious. It’s not professional.


33 posted on 09/13/2011 9:16:01 AM PDT by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: CajunConservative
Her grammar is atrocious. It’s not professional.

She was typing with her thumbs on a little Blackberry, for goodness sake. And welcome to the 21st century, this is representative of how people, professional and casual alike, are communicating today.

Besides:

Pretty Impressive: Sarah Palin's E-Mails Score at Eighth-Grade Reading Level

34 posted on 09/13/2011 12:18:49 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: icwhatudo
I have found no evidence that Palin did the same to Alaska’s policy.

If you read Palin's emails, the policy is set by the Board of Education, not the governor.

35 posted on 09/13/2011 12:31:34 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: AHerald

I wouldn’t be bragging about that as a plus for someone who was a governor who has aspirations for higher office.

We are not doing ourselves a favor by accepting the texting shortcuts in written communication as a positive thing. It’s not. It may be popular but there still needs to be standards for professional written communications.


36 posted on 09/13/2011 12:36:45 PM PDT by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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