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Child sex abuse claims mount against Boy Scouts
Reuters ^ | September 13, 2011 | Dan Cook and Laura Zuckerman

Posted on 09/13/2011 4:38:47 PM PDT by decimon

PORTLAND, Ore/SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) - Four Oregon men sued the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday for $20 million over childhood sexual abuse they say they suffered at the hands of a pedophile knowingly appointed as their scoutmaster in the 1970s.

The four lawsuits, filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court in Portland, accuse the national Boy Scouts and its Cascade Pacific Council of negligence, fraud and sexual battery of a child in connection with the repeated molestation of the men, then aged 12 to 15.

The suits, each seeking $5.2 million in damages, are the latest in a barrage of such claims facing the Boy Scouts, headquartered in Texas, since the group was found liable and ordered to pay nearly $20 million last year for a pedophile case from the 1980s.

A separate case was filed against the Boy Scouts last week by five women who say they were sexually abused as girls by the leader of a coed Scouting program in Montana during the 1970s.

The latest cases bring to at least 35 the number of individuals who have lodged child sexual abuse claims against the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) in 11 states since 2007, said plaintiffs attorney Kelly Clark, whose Portland firm has spearheaded the legal action.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; gaypedophiles; homonazi; homonaziagenda; homonazis; homonazism; homopsycho; homopsychoagenda; homosexualagenda; homosexualism; oregon; pedophile; pedophiles; pedophilia; sexualabuse
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1 posted on 09/13/2011 4:38:51 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

If these things happened back in the 70’s, why did they wait until now to bring suit? Something is fishy!


2 posted on 09/13/2011 4:43:56 PM PDT by Crazy ole coot (Freedom is NOT free. Thank our military for your freedoms!)
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To: decimon

Aren’t they suing the wrong people?


3 posted on 09/13/2011 4:47:28 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Crazy ole coot

Well, if the BSA couldn’t be destroyed by forcing them accept gay scouts and scoutmasters, then destroy them for having gay scoutmasters


4 posted on 09/13/2011 4:47:28 PM PDT by NativeSon
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To: decimon

If only they had allowed scoutmasters to marry. This never would have happened. Oh, wait...


5 posted on 09/13/2011 4:52:13 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Crazy ole coot

Payback for not allowing queer scoutmasters. Accusations from so long ago that can’t be proved either way. They will get paid to go away, or lose in civil court and cost everyone involved a lot of money


6 posted on 09/13/2011 4:52:23 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: NativeSon
Well, if the BSA couldn’t be destroyed by forcing them accept gay scouts and scoutmasters, then destroy them for having gay scoutmasters

This, and then add the fact that the article is relying on abuse of girls 30+ years ago by heterosexual BSA leaders. Win-win on the abuse front! Love the absence of context in the article - of all the people who have passed through the BSA system over the past several decades, what percentage does this represent? I actually had a female Cub Scout leader a billion years ago (one of the moms of our pack) yet somehow we managed to survive that crucible of mixed-sex and/or same-sex leadership without issue. Go figure.
7 posted on 09/13/2011 4:55:29 PM PDT by rockvillem
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To: Crazy ole coot
If these things happened back in the 70’s, why did they wait until now to bring suit? Something is fishy!

WRONG! It doesn't smell "fishy," IT smells MONEY!

I am tired of all of these "I just remembered I was molested" or the "I just found the courage to face the facts" lawsuits! These are all about getting MONEY!

These lawsuits are ALMOST as bad as the 47 year-old murderer who says he killed someone last year because "his Dad beat him when he was growing up" or "he was molested as a teen!" BS!

Life is hard! Life has ups and downs! Life will kick you in the teeth! And MOST normal people put those life experiences into perspective and move on and develop into normal people! But, because the stupid courts and trial lawyers have turned every little blister into a potential million dollar payoff, these pieces of crap all of a sudden crawl out of the wood work to get their share of "social justice!"

I speak from personal experience! I was molested and I have family members who were molested! You know what - I grew to be a man, a Marine, a father and husband! I don't molest, I don't kill and I moved on! If anything, my experience made me want to be sure and NOT be the person that those others were to me! I don't need money to make me "whole!" If you can't make yourself "whole" through God, friends and family - then you probably can't be made whole because you are too busy living and hanging onto the past!
8 posted on 09/13/2011 4:59:02 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: decimon

I forgot... What’s that term for men that are attracted to other males?


9 posted on 09/13/2011 5:02:20 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: ExTxMarine

Well said!


10 posted on 09/13/2011 5:04:32 PM PDT by wita
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To: decimon
Child sex abuse claims mount against Boy Scouts

Every gay rights group should be held financially liable.

11 posted on 09/13/2011 5:16:44 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: decimon
I was a Boy Scout in the 50s. I even went to Boy Scout Camp for two consecutive summers (two weeks each summer). The only thing that was remotely sexual about any of this was that at camp we had to swim nude in the lake. But the biggest advertiser in the Boy Scout magazine (Boy's Life) was Daisy Air Rifles and that awful Boy Scout Camp had a rifle range.

ML/NJ

12 posted on 09/13/2011 5:28:54 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Crazy ole coot

pedophile knowingly appointed as their scoutmaster

preponderance of evidence

50:50 chance

Who is going to defend?


13 posted on 09/13/2011 5:29:47 PM PDT by dila813
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To: decimon
Of course if they had acquiesced to homosexual scouting back 10+ years as urged by the ACLU, NAMBLA, various governments and government agencies, would these groups then be defending the BSA against such accusations after such acquiescence?

OF COURSE NOT, which speaks to WHY BSA is logical in refusing such members. These people are drive-by pressure groups who are frequently funded by trial lawyer organizations. Does the concept of "stocking the trout pond" ring a bell?

In this case, I do not doubt that there were molesting scout masters and molesting older scouts in the history of the BSA or Girl Scouts. However this is going along the lines of the attacks on the Roman Catholic Church - I smell lawyers!

14 posted on 09/13/2011 5:31:01 PM PDT by SES1066 (1776 to 2011, 235 years and counting in the GRAND EXPERIMENT!)
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To: ml/nj
The only thing that was remotely sexual about any of this was that at camp we had to swim nude in the lake.

Is there a stated reason for that?

15 posted on 09/13/2011 5:37:38 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
I was 11 or 12 years old. What did I know?

ML/NJ

16 posted on 09/13/2011 5:42:25 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: decimon

“... men, then aged 12 to 15.”

That’s not a pedophile, that’s a common or garden-variety homosexual man, pursuing what in other contexts is called a consensual relationship with adolescent boys. I realize that most parents probably didn’t realize they should tell their sons not to give blowjobs or submit to anal sex from adult men, in the 70s, but a 15-year-old is big enough to take action, if he chose to, even without parents or other adults warning him about predatory homosexuals.


17 posted on 09/13/2011 5:42:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: decimon; Crazy ole coot; freekitty
""Like the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts have been exposing children to sexual predators for decades," said Grier Weeks, head of the child abuse prevention lobby PROTECT. "In the process, they've also exposed themselves to enormous financial liability," he told Reuters."

I read the whole article --- it's full of comparisons with the Catholic Church. But there are 4 points of comparison I'd like to make. The Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts are being targeted because:

There. I hope everybody gets it now.

18 posted on 09/13/2011 5:44:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He's XVI -- He's beautiful -- And he's mine.)
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To: All

These things happened or they didn’t. If they did then the BSA needs to change some of their practices.

The things some of you are reading into this are beside the point.


19 posted on 09/13/2011 5:53:12 PM PDT by decimon
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To: married21
f only they had allowed scoutmasters to marry. This never would have happened. Oh, wait...

Post of the day.

20 posted on 09/13/2011 6:03:51 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: decimon

Under current BSA rules, no adult (other than a parent) is ever to be alone with a minor. All adult leaders must take “youth protection” training to learn the required procedures and to be aware of risks to children, and all parents are encouraged to take the training as well. Parents are also given safety materials to cover privately with their children.

At the management level, every effort is made to prevent adults who want to have sex with children or teenage boys from becoming leaders.

Aside from the complete elimination of bad people from the population, it’s hard to see what else the organization could do.


21 posted on 09/13/2011 6:28:07 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: Tax-chick
Aside from the complete elimination of bad people from the population, it’s hard to see what else the organization could do.

Perfection is not an option.

I'm both glad to see they've taken steps to reduce the possibility of abuse and sad to see that must detract from the scouting experience.

22 posted on 09/13/2011 6:38:24 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Crazy ole coot
If these things happened back in the 70’s, why did they wait until now to bring suit? Something is fishy!

I felt the same about new priest accusations that dated back generations. It's impossible disprove or to prove particularly in cases where the accused is deceased.

23 posted on 09/13/2011 6:39:28 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: decimon

If true, why did these boys not (1) earn the Rifle Merit Badge, and (2) use that knowledge? Alternatively, why did they not tell a parent/uncle/adult with the requisite knowledge, the appropriate firearm, and a shovel?


24 posted on 09/13/2011 7:01:08 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Tax-chick

You forgot the criminal background check we Scout leaders need to get every year.

We work very hard to assure the safety of the boys under our care.

Also, the scout Youth Protection online course has been opened to the public. Anyone can take the course and many non-scout organizations use it for their people.

A friend of mine when I was in Junior High molested a couple of scouts (he was NOT a registered leader) and is in jail right now. He should have been executed.


25 posted on 09/13/2011 7:02:44 PM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: cyclotic

clarify-Former friend who I have not seen in 30 some years


26 posted on 09/13/2011 7:09:52 PM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: Crazy ole coot

It was a problem in the 1960’s and 70’s. I know in my council a few scout leaders were prosecuted for sexual abuse of scouts at camp.


27 posted on 09/13/2011 7:14:30 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
It was a problem in the 1960’s and 70’s.

Partly because most of us were innocently dismissive of the idea that such things could be common. Especially when it came to people we wished to trust. Then things went in the other direction to a witch hunting phase.

28 posted on 09/13/2011 7:22:17 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

There is a reason why the Boy Scouts changed their rules to seek out and ban gays in the Scouts. Pedophiles were amassing in scouting programs and raping the heck out of boys back then. I know two men who were raped in the Scouts as children. Gays are furious that they lost their easy pickings when the Scouts banned them. They should not have access to children in the schools. It’s serious.

Gays did the same thing in Catholic seminaries so they could have access to boys. They form a pedophile culture in targeted organizations that serve boys.


29 posted on 09/13/2011 7:24:11 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: decimon

Innocence? I might have said that some years ago too. Now I better understand the prior generation. They weren’t that innocent. They just didn’t have any idea of the hyper victimology of today. Something went wrong, you dealt with it. Git hurt? You heal yourself and move on. Society expected certain normative behaviors. In public.

Society didn’t want to hear or have known abnormal behaviors, even as a victim, even as a predator, as long as one could present otherwise well, and the abuses were done discretely.

That was a comfort. All things considered. A method of healing, really. The comfort of normality, not just as an ideal, but as the expected practice in public.

The ethos of that era.


30 posted on 09/13/2011 7:31:14 PM PDT by bvw
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To: ExTxMarine

I don’t need money to make me “whole!” If you can’t make yourself “whole” through God, friends and family - then you probably can’t be made whole because you are too busy living and hanging onto the past!


I’m sorry you went through that as a boy. I have people close to me who went through it, too. And both are okay as men but they had a hard time.

One thing about boys, is they don’t tell when they are boys about what is going on because of shame and most times because homo pedophiles groom them in ways that makes them afraid to tell.

So when they are men and they finally confront what happened to them, they get angry about it until they get it worked out like the men close to me did and like you probably did, too.

If they want to sue the people who abused them and who abetted the abuse of them as boys, that is really fine. Each man has his own path to healing that assault on their soul. It is good for boys and their dads to hear and see men standing up to these beasts. Maybe they won’t be so afraid to tell their moms and dads and nip it in the bud before it brews and warps their being. That happens to many.

You are a strong man.


31 posted on 09/13/2011 7:35:40 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: bvw

It was a problem in the 1960’s and 70’s. I know in my council a few scout leaders were prosecuted for sexual abuse of scouts at camp.
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But, did they wait 30-40 years to prosecute??


32 posted on 09/13/2011 8:41:19 PM PDT by Crazy ole coot (Freedom is NOT free. Thank our military for your freedoms!)
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To: decimon

the number of cases of abuse (”intercourse before age 12:) in a recent CDC (US gov’t survey) was very high, especially in teenagers who claimed they were gay \Ditto for rape. (3 percent of men).

But no one wants to investigate who is doing what...and a lot of the articles that do discuss it put it into “non judgemental” language...as if having sex with an 11 year old was okay.


33 posted on 09/14/2011 2:45:01 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: cyclotic

Yes, I didn’t cover every detail.


34 posted on 09/14/2011 4:28:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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To: Tax-chick

I wonder if these victims of so long ago are now homosexual men? Could this be that a homo activist group has gathered some gays who were once boy scouts and decided to blackmail the boy scouts? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. They get sued if they don’t hire people who could possibly harm boys and then they are sued if someone actually does harm boys. I think this 30 time frame really is suspect.


35 posted on 09/14/2011 5:09:14 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: LadyDoc

Schools that have gay youth outreach programs are introducing minors to homo adults who then have access to these young people away from the school and parental control. This is asking for the abuse of kids by adults yet is is about gay sex so all is just fine.


36 posted on 09/14/2011 5:12:45 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

It looks like a law firm has rounded up some people to sue. Whether the motive is mainly financial, or mainly trying to damage an institution that is resistant to the normalization of homosexuality, isn’t clear. Could be both.

Organizations are in a real bind, as you observe. If they attempt to exclude adults who want to have sex with children/teens, they’re sued for discrimination, but if they fail to exclude those adults, they’re held liable for the sexual activity with children/teens.

This is only a problem for private organizations, of course ... not public schools.


37 posted on 09/14/2011 5:13:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I welcome our new reptilian overlords. They are so quiet!)
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