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Twin defeats spark Democratic fears
Politico ^ | 9/14/11 4:57 AM EDT | JONATHAN MARTIN & BEN SMITH & JAKE SHERMAN

Posted on 09/14/2011 3:30:29 AM PDT by RC one

The Democratic Party’s rare loss of a congressional seat in its urban heartland Tuesday, accompanied by a blowout defeat in a Nevada special election, marked the latest in a string of demoralizing setbacks that threatened to deepen the party’s crisis of confidence and raise concerns about President Barack Obama’s political fortunes.

In New York, Bob Turner(R) soundly defeated Democrat David Weprin in a House contest that – in the view of party leaders, at least — featured an anemic urban machine, distracted labor unions, and disloyal voters. In Nevada, a consequential state for the president’s re-election strategy, Democrats suffered a runaway loss rooted in a weak showing in Reno’s Washoe County, a key bellwether.

Even before the polls closed, the recriminations – something short of panic, and considerably more than mere grumbling – had begun. On a high-level campaign conference call Tuesday afternoon, Democratic donors and strategists commiserated over their disappointment in Obama. A source on the call described the mood as “awful.”

“People feel betrayed, disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless,” said the source.

Less expansive but equally telling were the remarks of House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, who in a conversation with reporters Tuesday morning said bluntly that Obama would take some blame for the two special election losses.

“I think every election reflects on the person in charge, but do I think it is an overall statement on the president alone? No,” said Hoyer. “Do I think it will be interpreted as being a statement on Obama? That’s probably correct.”

A senior Hill Democratic aide was more direct in attempting to explain the New York loss: “The approval ratings for the guy at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue cratered.”

A Turner consultant, Steve Goldberg, validated that assessment: “It was all Obama — not even a thought of anything else.”

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KEYWORDS: amodei; obamunism; turner; wiener
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The last time a republican won that district was in 1922 or so I heard on Fox and Friends this AM. That definitely seems like a message to the democratic party. It's gonna be hard to downplay the significance of this.
1 posted on 09/14/2011 3:30:33 AM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

I haven’t found any threads about Amodei winning in Nevada.


2 posted on 09/14/2011 3:33:49 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: RC one

The GOP candidate in Nevada won by 22 points in a district which is +5 GOP. So much for the US House being more unpopular than Zero.


3 posted on 09/14/2011 3:33:49 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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To: RandallFlagg

I think their loss in New York pretty much overshadows their loss in Nevada. It’s like Epic Fail versus General Fail.


4 posted on 09/14/2011 3:37:34 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: RC one

We need to focus on winning a conservative super majority in the Senate and a larger margin in the House.

Obviously, we must wine the White House as well.

Only with a super majority can we turn this thing around.

And then, we must move with lightning speed. The key will be to keep the Leftist media too stirred up by the next step to continue battling the last step.


5 posted on 09/14/2011 3:39:56 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RC one

We need to focus on winning a conservative super majority in the Senate and a larger margin in the House.

Obviously, we must wine the White House as well.

Only with a super majority can we turn this thing around.

And then, we must move with lightning speed. The key will be to keep the Leftist media too stirred up by the next step to continue battling the last step.


6 posted on 09/14/2011 3:40:50 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RC one

Actually, the Democrats can easily downplay this: The district goes out of existence in January 2013; their candidate doesn’t live in the district. Turnout was low compared to general elections (if it was?). The district is too large for Bill Clinton’s phone calls to reach everyone. People got “confused” by “negative campaigning.” Now the spin may be delusional, but it will be there.


7 posted on 09/14/2011 3:40:59 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: RC one

Do you know if either of these guys are Tea Party?


8 posted on 09/14/2011 3:41:56 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: SampleMan

“Obviously, we must wine the White House as well.”

I like that!

Get them drunk, ship them to a remote island in the S. Indian Ocean, and then change the locks!


9 posted on 09/14/2011 3:42:36 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: RC one
"....betrayed, disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless,”

Now they know how WE feel!

10 posted on 09/14/2011 3:42:56 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: RC one
The RATS are so screwed. If the get Obuumer to pull out in favor of Hilary, the lose the black vote. We have to keep up the momentum and a bullseye on economic remediation. If we don't commit fratricide, we should win the whole shooting match!

Mike

11 posted on 09/14/2011 3:44:49 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: RandallFlagg; All
I haven’t found any threads about Amodei winning in Nevada.

I just searched and found he won, I was going to post it but got distracted. Start one Randall !

I think the results with the time difference from "EST" hit much later for most freepers, just a guess.

12 posted on 09/14/2011 3:44:56 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: RC one
“People feel betrayed, disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless,” said the source.

I don't get the 'betrayed' part. Betrayed by whom? What major policy have they voted for in recent years that they didn't get?

That doesn't sound like betrayal.

I particularly like the part of the article in another paragragh about the disloyal voters. Don't they know it's their job to line up, stand with feet about shoulder width apart and take those extra hard upward kicks and like it?

13 posted on 09/14/2011 3:45:28 AM PDT by stevem
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To: MichaelP

Memo to self~hit y key harder!


14 posted on 09/14/2011 3:46:24 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: SampleMan
"...we must move with lightning speed. The key will be to keep the Leftist media too stirred up by the next step to continue battling the last step."

Agree - but that will take a Republican leader who thinks fast on their feet, ouside the box, and isn't beholdened to the "good old boys" network.
Flame me if you will, but Palin seems to be the only one that fits that mold.

15 posted on 09/14/2011 3:46:31 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: SampleMan

Cautiously, carefully, tread quietly and pray for a 2012 Republican L-A-N-D-S-L-I-D-E !!!!!!!!! Oops, to early, calm down, gather strength and work towards that noble goal...


16 posted on 09/14/2011 3:46:49 AM PDT by Netz
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To: SampleMan

Cautiously, carefully, tread quietly and pray for a 2012 Republican L-A-N-D-S-L-I-D-E !!!!!!!!! Oops, to early, calm down, gather strength and work towards that noble goal...


17 posted on 09/14/2011 3:46:51 AM PDT by Netz
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To: RC one
While this may have started with an arrogant fool flaunting his weenie, it needs to end with the defeat next year of another arrogant fool who flaunts his booty with an everyday mooning of America from the Oval Office!
18 posted on 09/14/2011 3:47:56 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It canha't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: MichaelP
"Memo to self~hit y key harder!"

You're using a manual type-writer? How does that work with the internet?

19 posted on 09/14/2011 3:48:52 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: LRS

Wow I’m surprised the political elites aren’t trying to bury this result. How things change in a short time. Just a few months ago after the Demo victory in that other NY district Pelosi and company were practically proclaiming they would win back the House in 2012.


20 posted on 09/14/2011 3:49:49 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: RC one

I think you could say that some people are suffering from one of the worst things a person realizes has happened to them, BEING PLAYED FOR A SUCKER!


21 posted on 09/14/2011 3:58:36 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks RC one.
In New York, Bob Turner(R) soundly defeated Democrat David Weprin in a House contest that -- in the view of party leaders, at least -- featured an anemic urban machine, distracted labor unions, and disloyal voters. In Nevada, a consequential state for the president's re-election strategy, Democrats suffered a runaway loss rooted in a weak showing in Reno's Washoe County, a key bellwether.
In domestic politics, Zero doesn't care about anyone who isn't one of Holder's People. The Demwits figured this out a while back, but are stuck with it and stuck with him, unless they run independent or switch parties. I'd be very surprised if the next successful launch of a political party *didn't* come from a DP schism, and be made entirely out of old-line incumbent Demwits.


22 posted on 09/14/2011 3:59:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Theodore R.

If Republicans will fight for it the district can stay.
In ‘10, the Brooklyn portion of Nadler’s 8th district voted Democrat by only 53-47 (the Manhattan portion was 84-16 Dem).

In the 9th district, the Brooklyn portion was 52% Dem while the Queens portion was 65% Dem.
With 449 of 512 precincts reporting, the Brooklyn portion has voted 67% R while the Queens portion has voted 51% D. Turnout appears to be around 62% what it was for the ‘10 general.

Anyway, Turner does live in the Brooklyn portion. The Brooklyn 8th and 9th total about 500K residents - a seat in ‘12 will be 717K.

Now the cost of keeping Turner’s seat may be keeping Hochul’s seat also. The way I see that happening is that Hochul gets Slaughter’s seat, and Slaughter’s seat, instead of stretching from Rochester to Buffalo, stretches from Rochester to Syracuse or Ithaca.


23 posted on 09/14/2011 4:03:25 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: stevem
They're trying to make sense of things and not doing a very good job of it. It's kind of entertaining actually

For example, here are some choice quotes from dummy land where libs are trying to work this out:

all I have to say...is that voters in NY09 are f***ing stupid and will believe any lie you tell them...f*** you all! another vote in the House to get rid of SS, Medicare, etc...F*** YOU ALL!

idiots in the district and idiots in the dem party leadership.

Dems stayed home because of a shi**y candidate... why does this sound familiar...

Something is terribly wrong. Either the republicans are cheating or we have completely lost the information war.

I hope everyone here that wanted Weiner to step down is satisfied.

24 posted on 09/14/2011 4:03:29 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: RC one

They found out yesterday who the Tea Party is. The American people. Class warfare and the race card hand has been overplayed to the extent that even moderates are sick of it.


25 posted on 09/14/2011 4:06:26 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Theodore R.
The district goes out of existence in January 2013

Not necessarily. There had been a deal that the Dems would sacrifice a seat downstate and the Repubs one upstate. This win upsets that cart.

26 posted on 09/14/2011 4:09:02 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Keynesians take the stand that the best way to sober up is more booze.)
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To: All

In Weiner’s ex-district, Democrats account for a majority of voters and outnumber Republicans 3-to-1. Democrats have held that seat for 90 years.

Dem Weprin’s campaign, the Democratic Party and unions poured in more than $1.5 million to retain the seat held by Dem heavyweights Schumer and Ferraro.

Now it seems the party is over....thank you Obama.


27 posted on 09/14/2011 4:11:57 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Theodore R.

But in the back of their minds....“People feel betrayed, disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless,” said the source.

Forget the rest they are just excuses.


28 posted on 09/14/2011 4:12:14 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way..")
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To: SampleMan
And then, we must move with lightning speed. The key will be to keep the Leftist media too stirred up by the next step to continue battling the last step.

So true. If we get a super majority, we must overwhelm the Left. Pass so much, so fast, they cannot muster the forces to effectively resist. We need an economic and political BIG BANG. Disestablish DOE, EPA, get so-called entitlements under control, require congressional approval of all regulations, and disestablish some inferior courts to clear out the Marxist judges.

29 posted on 09/14/2011 4:16:58 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Liz
Dem Weprin’s campaign, the Democratic Party and unions poured in more than $1.5 million to retain the seat held by Dem heavyweights Schumer and Ferraro.

Chucky was Wiener's Mentor. I want to know is Chucky a freakazoid like Wiener was. Also, he is in for 6 yrs, via 2010 re-election but ole' Chucky must be looking over his shoulder now...

30 posted on 09/14/2011 4:17:45 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: RC one

Democrats are not learning a thing, they are still following Obama around like little puppies.

Jumping when he says jump.


31 posted on 09/14/2011 4:21:21 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

I think they’re gonna be jumping off a cliff with him in 2012.


32 posted on 09/14/2011 4:24:15 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: VanDeKoik
“Obviously, we must wine the White House as well.”

Maka'da wine!!!


33 posted on 09/14/2011 4:25:00 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: Psalm 73
You're using a manual type-writer? How does that work with the internet?


34 posted on 09/14/2011 4:29:12 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Yes, Turner in NY was/is Tea Party


35 posted on 09/14/2011 4:30:32 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: RC one

Unless the resulting Congress is Tea Party next year....won’t make much difference.


36 posted on 09/14/2011 4:33:16 AM PDT by mo
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To: RandallFlagg

Yep, I read Turner openly stated he was for Tea Party ideas and would take them to Washington. So much for the Tea Party being hated


37 posted on 09/14/2011 4:34:01 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: All

they’re gonna put their foot on the gas because they know they only have 16 months to do what the Soviets could never do.


38 posted on 09/14/2011 4:35:43 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: Perdogg
The GOP candidate in Nevada won by 22 points in a district which is +5 GOP. So much for the US House being more unpopular than Zero.

On the contrary, the polls are correct. People don't like the House but, in general, they like their Congressman. They would have to since they tend to reelect them 90% of the time.

But your point is still valid - polls of the popularity of the House are meaningless since they give you no help in predicting the outcome of elections.

39 posted on 09/14/2011 4:35:59 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: RC one

This is even more important than Republicans V Democrats here:

“....Turner, 70, a retired cable TV executive who has never served in elective office, defeated Democratic State Assemblyman David Weprin, 55, who has two decades of experience in public service...”

Doggoned right. A businessman kicks a career politician out of office!


40 posted on 09/14/2011 4:38:35 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: TNCMAXQ
And the fools on mourning Joe at PMSNBC were the prime cheer leaders of that meme.

Today, (I had to drop by) between crying jags, they were saying such races predict nothing.

Even that Polutico idiot Mike Allen (sp) was in shock.

41 posted on 09/14/2011 4:40:00 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: Psalm 73

Anyone watching that excuse for a debate the other night knows that what you say is true... their bias will not allow them to admit it.

LLS


42 posted on 09/14/2011 4:40:53 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (I owe no one but GOD and JESUS... and I owe them everything!)
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To: RC one

Now our biggest worry is that the dems will run Hillary and the race will be closer than it should be.


43 posted on 09/14/2011 4:42:31 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Theodore R.
Don't forget the Florida mantra...democrats were to stupid to use the ballot !!!!
44 posted on 09/14/2011 4:42:50 AM PDT by ontap
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To: SampleMan
Good post but for us a super majority in the Senate is closer to 70 votes. We already know we can't count on the rinos and even when we control both houses the rinos chests will puff up as if they are important again.

Our biggest mission the next few years will be to put rinos in their place. We have to stomp on them every chance we get and let them know they are only there to pass conservative values, nothing else! They have to learn that and there are many ways to get that message across.

45 posted on 09/14/2011 4:47:12 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: RC one

Thanks for that post....it gives me that warm felling inside!!!!


46 posted on 09/14/2011 4:49:29 AM PDT by ontap
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To: rodguy911
Our biggest mission the next few years will be to put rinos in their place.

That's not going to happen if voters elect a Rhino in the Primary

47 posted on 09/14/2011 4:49:48 AM PDT by caww
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To: Jacquerie
"If we get a super majority, we must overwhelm the Left."

This is getting way ahead of ourselves. But first up will definitely be the repeal of Obamacare. After that work on reforming the laws and regulations that govern our health insurance industry (tort reform at the top of that), plus pass needed reforms to medicare along the lines of the Ryan plan. Lastly, we need to inquire on the health of Justice Buzzy Ginsberg every day.
48 posted on 09/14/2011 4:51:12 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: taildragger; thouworm; stephenjohnbanker; Condor51
Weiner was once Schumer's aide, as well. Weiner received govt paychecks until the special election to fill his seat. Now Weiner can start sucking at the public teat bigtime. The parasite will pocket:

(1) Congressional pension and benefits,

(2) govt checks for being Scuhmer's aid, and,

(3) govt checks for being on NY's City Council.

=====================================

Weiner was milking the system while "in sex rehab" relaxing on the beach in the posh Hamptons, and colluding with his backers to finance his future-------perhaps a well-paid sinecure reserved for "disgraced" lifelong politicians who never had a real job (see Eliot Spitzer et al).

Not to forget----Weiner also has $5 million stashed away---campaign donations for his thwarted mayoral ambitions. You have to wonder what the little creep did to get $5 million. The Congressional Ethics Committee (yes, that is a Cong committee) says the money cannot be converted to his personal use. I guess he'll contribute the $5mill to UNICEF to feed the hungry (/snix). But wait.............

HOW TO SPEND $5 MILL CAMPAIGN DONATIONS ON YOURSELF LEGALLY: All Weiner has to do is playact like he's a candidate for some obscure office, buy a mansion as 'campaign headquarters,' luxury cars for 'campaign use'.......pretty soon the $5 mil is all spent. All legal.

Not to forget all those endorsement deals Weiner is lining up:

"I've been using volumizing Pantene Shampoo ever since I was in HS."

49 posted on 09/14/2011 4:51:35 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

This must be sweet music to Herman Cain!!!!


50 posted on 09/14/2011 4:53:28 AM PDT by ontap
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