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Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks
MSNBC ^ | Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:09 AM EDT | unknown

Posted on 09/14/2011 11:44:17 AM PDT by maddog55

OKLAHOMA CITY — The nation's second-largest Indian tribe said on Tuesday that it would not be dictated to by the U.S. government over its move to banish 2,800 African Americans from its citizenship rolls.

"The Cherokee Nation will not be governed by the BIA," Joe Crittenden, the tribe's acting principal chief, said in a statement responding to the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs.

Crittenden, who leads the tribe until a new principal chief is elected, went on to complain about unnamed congressmen meddling in the tribe's self-governance.

The reaction follows a letter the tribe received on Monday from BIA Assistant Secretary Larry Echo Hawk, who warned that the results of the September 24 Cherokee election for principal chief will not be recognized by the U.S. government if the ousted members, known to some as "Cherokee Freedmen," are not allowed to vote.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: blacks; cherokee; cherokeenation

1 posted on 09/14/2011 11:44:21 AM PDT by maddog55
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To: maddog55

Take much federal wampum to fix this.


2 posted on 09/14/2011 11:47:01 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: maddog55

Bump


3 posted on 09/14/2011 11:47:04 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: maddog55

Perhaps the Great Black father in Washington can hold a peace pipe summit in DC so that the BIA can better dictate to the tribes how to behave?


4 posted on 09/14/2011 11:47:05 AM PDT by texson66 ("Mr Obama, tear down this wall of bureaucratic opression of freedom!")
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To: maddog55

As a 1/8th member of the Cherokee nation I support this!

LOL!


5 posted on 09/14/2011 11:47:42 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: maddog55
All I wants to know is, "how can I start me one of them tribes?"
6 posted on 09/14/2011 11:48:23 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: maddog55

Hmmmm. I wonder if Chief Thunder Thud coud help?


7 posted on 09/14/2011 11:48:30 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: texson66

‘member now....no fire-water.......


8 posted on 09/14/2011 11:49:01 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: maddog55

announce a plan to build many nuclear reactor on Native American lands:

1. Strikes a heavy blow
2. Makes a bunch of dough


9 posted on 09/14/2011 11:49:06 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: TSgt

I’m 1/16.... too bad not 1/8 like you...you could be a member.


10 posted on 09/14/2011 11:49:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: maddog55

I guess the keepers of the reservation are fearful of the freeloaders...turning it into a plantation....


11 posted on 09/14/2011 11:50:56 AM PDT by antivenom (visit SBPDL.com and at least read what you and the liberal media are too afraid to say)
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To: maddog55

“The Cherokee Nation will not be governed by the BIA,” Joe Crittenden...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Joe is missing a ‘T’.

He’s gone from being a Native American to a Naive American.


12 posted on 09/14/2011 11:51:16 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: texson66

What’s funny is that on the Federal census many people had rather be known as a black than Indian.


13 posted on 09/14/2011 11:51:42 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: maddog55

A lot of people don’t understand this, because the MSM muddies it just like they do so many other stories.

From what I understand, if you are descended from a Cherokee bloodline, black, white, or inbetween, you are a Cherokee. If you are a line that was an escaped slave that was harbored or owned by a Cherokee, you are not a member.

You have to have a certain percentage of blood to be a Cherokee. That’s all this is about. You can’t just say, hey I lived with you, therefore I am a voting member of the tribe.

I hope I am reading this correctly but that is what I am getting. The MSM is trying to make it seem that if you are Cherokee and also black, you are getting thrown out.


14 posted on 09/14/2011 11:52:11 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Heap Big Wampum indeed


15 posted on 09/14/2011 11:52:47 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: Gaffer

I’m 1/64th and my ancestor lived in Kentucky.


16 posted on 09/14/2011 11:53:27 AM PDT by Mercat (When you tweet your meat Democrats get beat.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

>Joe is missing a ‘T’.

Tjoe? ;)


17 posted on 09/14/2011 11:55:14 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: maddog55

I smell reparations AGAIN!!


18 posted on 09/14/2011 11:55:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: maddog55

Don’t get into a legal situation on a Rez and expect recourse in Tribal Court.


19 posted on 09/14/2011 11:55:52 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Gaffer; TSgt
I’m 1/16.... too bad not 1/8 like you...you could be a member.

After more than a century and a half of association with the tribe, wouldn't there have been some intermarriage between the blacks and the Cherokee to put the current "black Cherokees" over the 1/8 threshold or was strict marriage segregation the custom?

I don't have a dog in this fight. Just asking.

20 posted on 09/14/2011 11:57:29 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: Gaffer

Cherokee Nation it its bid to preserve their cultural and racial heritage.

All people have that right.

All people.

EVEN WHITE PEOPLE!

Indians found out...that FREEDMAN soon became FREELOADERS hell bent on undermining the cuture to remain a parasite...


21 posted on 09/14/2011 11:58:24 AM PDT by antivenom (visit SBPDL.com and at least read what you and the liberal media are too afraid to say)
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To: maddog55

Why do we STILL have a Bureau of Indian Affairs?
How many billions a year are we wasting on this less than worthless continuing boondoogle?


22 posted on 09/14/2011 11:58:35 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy with a teleprompter)
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To: blueunicorn6

Have’m heap big problem kemosabi.


23 posted on 09/14/2011 11:58:57 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: maddog55

Oh boy!

Great Chief Chicken Shiite will NOT be happy about this!


24 posted on 09/14/2011 12:00:38 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: Mercat
I just finished reading historian Charles Mann's “1493.” Indians on the east coast were enslaved by European new arrivals but this practice was discarded in favor of Africans. The simple reason was that Africans didn't succumb to many of the European diseases as the Indians did.
25 posted on 09/14/2011 12:01:29 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: I still care
You can’t just say, hey I lived with you, therefore I am a voting member of the tribe.

ACORN seems to be doing a pretty good job of making that argument work for illegal aliens in the United States.

26 posted on 09/14/2011 12:03:19 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: maddog55

I suspect that this has little to do with racism and everything to do with having to divide up Casino money among members of the tribe.


27 posted on 09/14/2011 12:03:47 PM PDT by Borough Park
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To: maddog55

"Endeavor to persevere."

28 posted on 09/14/2011 12:05:45 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Gaffer

Really?

My great grandmother was full Cherokee.


29 posted on 09/14/2011 12:14:20 PM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: maddog55

Will 0bama send in federal troops to punish the Indians and force them to accept blacks into the tribe? Inquiring minds want to know.


30 posted on 09/14/2011 12:15:37 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: maddog55

Diversity’s racist tribes showing their true colors again.


31 posted on 09/14/2011 12:15:52 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TSgt

That’s what I’ve heard...you’d have to really prove it, and then it’s up to their council.....don’t know ...haven’t heard much other than it’s not a slam-dunk...


32 posted on 09/14/2011 12:31:38 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: antivenom

Agree also..they have the right...However, I’m not so sure that the reason is preserving cultural and racial heritage rather than diluting the casino take and member payouts...


33 posted on 09/14/2011 12:33:40 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SVTCobra03

Ever seen Second Civil War?

Tragically funny.


34 posted on 09/14/2011 12:35:08 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Mercat

Funny....I was just looking through some files I’d scattered about my basement workshop...one page was an old typed funeral eulogy for my great-great grandfather, William Lafayette Weems, died 1922 and born in Cherokee County here in Georgia in 1860.....his parents were the immigrants here in Georgia, I think (not sure - there a lot of ‘Weems’ that go back quite a ways)....I digress....my Cherokee roots are from my father’s side of the family from Clinton SC where his daddy was a sharecropper.....my grandmother (his wife) was 1/4 Cherokee...


35 posted on 09/14/2011 12:41:09 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: maddog55

The Black Caucus is all over this. I always like when two Dem constituencies are at loggerheads. Another headache for Chief Barack.


36 posted on 09/14/2011 12:45:39 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: I still care

correct on all points.

The MSM are not telling all the facts here.
The Cherokee tribe have been for years trying to get a more stricter way of saying if you’re Cherokee.

I HATE THE MSM


37 posted on 09/14/2011 12:47:13 PM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he is socially liberal, another phony conservative,1man +1 woman=marriage)
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To: TSgt

I’d say that’s the deal.... You have 3.0005632% of Cherokee heritage going for ya you get 3.0005632% membership....regardless of what color.

My opinion only....:o)


38 posted on 09/14/2011 12:50:00 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: maddog55

This is really going to make the Blackfeet mad.


39 posted on 09/14/2011 12:51:03 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: maddog55

“The Cherokee Nation will not be governed by the BIA.”
“And we refuse to take any more white man money.” - well, damnit, somebody had to say it.


40 posted on 09/14/2011 12:57:05 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: texson66; maddog55; SVTCobra03; Chode

Wonders if Great Black Father will put them on “the Trail of Tears” again?


41 posted on 09/14/2011 1:06:03 PM PDT by Morgana (I don't speak much...............but when I do....)
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To: Polybius

To become a member of the tribe one need only prove an ancestor was on one of the early rolls, i.e. The Dawes Rolls, used to give members their allotments. Blood quantum is not a factor. I am 1/64 and just recently joined. This is not unusual for people, like myself, who research their family history. A large number of the tribe do not get, nor want, the freebies. Any black whose ancestor intermarried & was on the rolls will remain in the tribe or can enroll if not already a member.

Hope that helps you........


42 posted on 09/14/2011 1:07:03 PM PDT by PoplarBluffian
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To: Gaffer
Agree also..they have the right...However, I’m not so sure that the reason is preserving cultural and racial heritage rather than diluting the casino take and member payouts...

So what? Either has merit. We did conquer this land and we are giving the conquered their "due". Just because we have been taught to think through the veil of political correctness, does not make them wrong.

Many blacks claim slavery, a common practice of the day, as their sole reason to collect welfare checks - and white guilt has kept the money flowing. They claim victim status because "we took them from their land and brought them here" I say, the Red Indian just lacks "White Guilt"

So now, the American Indian calls their bluff? I'm all LOL!

As far as the victim blacks? Send them back to whatever continent they are so proud of, and quit rolling over to their every whim.

43 posted on 09/14/2011 1:09:57 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: chuckee

The race-based “Congressional Black Caucus” is opposed to race-based membership in the Cherokee Nation.

You can’t make this shit up.


44 posted on 09/14/2011 1:11:07 PM PDT by antivenom (visit SBPDL.com and at least read what you and the liberal media are too afraid to say)
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To: maddog55

Indian and Black?

The double dip possibilities are endless.


45 posted on 09/14/2011 1:28:33 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (.....A man eventually wears the face he earns.....)
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To: Morgana
stranger things have happened...
46 posted on 09/14/2011 2:45:50 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: blueunicorn6

That will be the day.


47 posted on 09/14/2011 5:45:59 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: Gaffer

My great grandmother was Cherokee.....what percentage does that make me?


48 posted on 09/14/2011 6:34:54 PM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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