Skip to comments.Who was the first to refer to Democrats as 'Rats?
Posted on 09/15/2011 6:26:04 PM PDT by C210N
Is it possible that Patrick Henry was the first to refer to democrats as 'rats, well before the time of establishment of the democratic party?
I prefer DEMOCRAPS!
I don’t know but I was thinking about that recently.
It’s a wonder they don’t change their name. They like changing things.
It must be so demeaning to be called a RAT but hey, if the name fits...
It’s actually ‘DUMOCRAPS’..
But Patrick Henry was one of the Anti-Federalists, a faction that eventually became the Democratic Party.
That's my memory, anyway--others may recall earlier references but if so it wasn't common usage as it is now.
The Republicans ran a TV ads years back...
On the screen it said “Democrats” and it zoomed in on the words till all you saw was the letters “rats”
The Dems screams the Republicans were running subliminal advertising call them “RATS”
Well around here it became the custom after the ‘Rats objected to a GOP ad (was it during the first Bush campaign) in which the word DEMOCRATS ran across the screen in a slow crawl as dire critiques of their policies were read out. They complained because there was a moment when only the last four letters appeared on the screen, and they claimed it was an attempt to make a subliminal association between Democrats and rats. They’d been called ‘Rats ever since.
(Kind of like the way “clymer” came to have its current meaning.)
Okay I had forgotten some of the specifics but yeah, that’s it.
But, at the time there was no 'rat party, and he was concerned of the potential largesse that would become a national government - elements of today's 'Rat party. Only irony that he would be part of the early 'Rat party of the day.
In Genesis 1 11, God gave Adam the right to call rats, rats.
That’s when I picked it up.
That's my recollection, also. I started using 'Rats and 'Rat Party at that time.
Here's Elbridge Gerry in the First Congress:
MR. GERRY did not like the term National, proposed by the gentleman from Virginia, and he hoped it would not be adopted by the House. It brought to his mind some observations that had taken place in the Conventions at the time they were considering the present constitution. It had been insisted upon by those who were called anti-federalists, that this form of government consolidated the union; the honorable gentleman's motion shows that he considers it in the same light. Those who were called anti-federalists at that time, complained that they were in favor of a federal government, and the others were in favor of a National one; the federalists were for ratifying the constitution as it stood, and the others did not until amendments were made. Their names then ought not to have been distinguished by federalists and anti-federalists, but rats and anti-rats.
Back then, the federalists were the ones centralizing as much power as possible, so they were like democrats in that regard.
ME! (You’re welcome.)
No the irony actually would be that the Progressive democrats and Confederate democrats were part of a natural progression. The southerner, Woodrow Wilson was sympathetic to the Confederates, swept the Confederate south in both elections (to celebrations in the south) and the Progressive democrats even revived the Confederate created KKK as well.
The large populist movements of the Confederate south even combined with the democrat party and its new progressive movement.
The commercial Democ-RATS.
They are always shadowboxing with chimera. (In other words, they are always making sh#t up.) They can't find fault with what we actually say, so they accuse us of using language that has secret vibes - then they work themselves into frothing outrage over their private translation, convincing each other we said things we didn't say.
In earlier days, it was "code words" like "law and order," which they insisted went directly into our supporters' ears with what we REALLY meant: "we hate blacks." It was a bogeyman fantasy entirely of their own creation.
This election cycle, the term is "dog whistle" - essentially the same thing. The Tea Party is passionate about shrinking government and cutting spending, but to the left, that's all just a "dog whistle" to followers who know we REALLY are saying "we hate Obama because he's black." It's madness.
On the other hand, their entire ideology consists in believing in things that aren't there, such as emanations and penumbras. So there you go.
I would say that I was the first to refer to them as DEMONRATS.
And disbelieving in things that are there, such as the Second Amendment.
Actually it appears that freeper gitmo used the term demonRats in May 2003. My first use of the term was here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/963618/posts
The irony was two-fold: 1) the 'rats moniker stuck on them forever because of their own foolishness, and 2) the real damage was done by the revelation of the Bush DUI 20 years earlier for driving 20 MPH in a 35 MPH zone.
Me wuz, everybody knows that!
I have dibs on demonrats.
Yes. And I also recall there being a related weird scandal-ette, something about someone working for Bush adman Mark McKinnon (himself formerly a Dem) - I don’t remember the story line clearly but it involved a chubby 25-ish female staffer (sorry, that’s what I remember) who may have been some sort of spy, or filched and mailed some video package, or whatever. I think she was fired over it, and FR spent a lot of threads analyzing her alibi, which turned out to be lame. It was all cloak and dagger but turned out to be small beer, and the details have faded. I only know my takeaway: for some reason I have been wary of McKinnon ever since.
You're recalling the stolen Bush debate tape.
Here's the story, from ABC News.
Oh, riiiiight! Thanks for that link! Good times, good times.
McKinnon WAS the guy who signed off on the "rats" ad.
I still see his name now and again - in fact just today read a wonderful profile of W that mentioned McKinnon, and had my leftover reaction of mistrust to that character.
Free Republic was calling them RATS all the way back to the corrupt Clinton days.
In later years Henry, scared out of his gourd by the French Revolution, became a supporter of Federalists Washington and Adams and an ardent opponent of the states’ rights KY and VA Resolutions.
In the debate over the Constitution he was an anti-Federalist and he didn't trust the Federalist Party in the early years.
By the time Patrick Henry died, though, he had turned to the Federalists and been elected to the Virginia House of Delegates as a Federalist.
When a journalist took a job as Herbert Hoover's press secretary the joke was: "The first known case of a rat joining a sinking ship," and that comment also been recycled by columnists.
Howie Carr fans remember Congressman Joe Early shouting in Congress "They ran like rats!" about the ethics committee members that had condemned him.