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Who was the first to refer to Democrats as 'Rats?

Posted on 09/15/2011 6:26:04 PM PDT by C210N

Is it possible that Patrick Henry was the first to refer to democrats as 'rats, well before the time of establishment of the democratic party?


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1 posted on 09/15/2011 6:26:06 PM PDT by C210N
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To: C210N

I prefer DEMOCRAPS!


2 posted on 09/15/2011 6:29:56 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: C210N

I don’t know but I was thinking about that recently.

It’s a wonder they don’t change their name. They like changing things.
Especially words.

It must be so demeaning to be called a RAT but hey, if the name fits...


3 posted on 09/15/2011 6:30:01 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: leprechaun9

It’s actually ‘DUMOCRAPS’..


4 posted on 09/15/2011 6:31:30 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: C210N

The Rodentry.


5 posted on 09/15/2011 6:32:27 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: C210N

But Patrick Henry was one of the Anti-Federalists, a faction that eventually became the Democratic Party.


6 posted on 09/15/2011 6:34:09 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: C210N
It was actually the Democrats themselves who took a frame grab from a Republican commercial where the word "Bureaucrats" scrolled by and for 1 frame you could see the word "rats".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NPKxhfFQMs

7 posted on 09/15/2011 6:40:04 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: C210N
As I recall it became quite common after the Dems went nuts over a W campaign ad - the word "Democrats" moved through the shot and the left claimed the "rat" part of the word was some kind of subliminal hate mongering. Of course no one else had noticed it but they made such a stink about it we all started calling them "rats" - we figured, okay, if they're going to insist a 5 millisecond appearance of the letters "r-a-t" was a reference to them, we'd go with it.

That's my memory, anyway--others may recall earlier references but if so it wasn't common usage as it is now.

8 posted on 09/15/2011 6:41:44 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: C210N
What you don't remember?...the Rats names themselves

The Republicans ran a TV ads years back...

On the screen it said “Democrats” and it zoomed in on the words till all you saw was the letters “rats”

The Dems screams the Republicans were running subliminal advertising call them “RATS”

9 posted on 09/15/2011 6:42:39 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: C210N

Well around here it became the custom after the ‘Rats objected to a GOP ad (was it during the first Bush campaign) in which the word DEMOCRATS ran across the screen in a slow crawl as dire critiques of their policies were read out. They complained because there was a moment when only the last four letters appeared on the screen, and they claimed it was an attempt to make a subliminal association between Democrats and rats. They’d been called ‘Rats ever since.

(Kind of like the way “clymer” came to have its current meaning.)


10 posted on 09/15/2011 6:43:09 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: krb

Okay I had forgotten some of the specifics but yeah, that’s it.


11 posted on 09/15/2011 6:43:49 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Fiji Hill
But Patrick Henry was one of the Anti-Federalists, a faction that eventually became the Democratic Party...

But, at the time there was no 'rat party, and he was concerned of the potential largesse that would become a national government - elements of today's 'Rat party. Only irony that he would be part of the early 'Rat party of the day.

12 posted on 09/15/2011 6:47:01 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: C210N

In Genesis 1 11, God gave Adam the right to call rats, rats.


13 posted on 09/15/2011 6:47:10 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: M. Thatcher

That’s when I picked it up.


14 posted on 09/15/2011 6:49:58 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: krb
It was actually the Democrats themselves who took a frame grab from a Republican commercial where the word "Bureaucrats" scrolled by and for 1 frame you could see the word "rats".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NPKxhfFQMs

That's my recollection, also. I started using 'Rats and 'Rat Party at that time.

15 posted on 09/15/2011 6:53:38 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: C210N
i believe it started after a commercial they were whining about that had a text crawler across it that when the commercial ended only said RATS
16 posted on 09/15/2011 6:53:52 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: C210N
To Patrick Henry and the anti-federalists, the RATS were the federalists.

Here's Elbridge Gerry in the First Congress:

MR. GERRY did not like the term National, proposed by the gentleman from Virginia, and he hoped it would not be adopted by the House. It brought to his mind some observations that had taken place in the Conventions at the time they were considering the present constitution. It had been insisted upon by those who were called anti-federalists, that this form of government consolidated the union; the honorable gentleman's motion shows that he considers it in the same light. Those who were called anti-federalists at that time, complained that they were in favor of a federal government, and the others were in favor of a National one; the federalists were for ratifying the constitution as it stood, and the others did not until amendments were made. Their names then ought not to have been distinguished by federalists and anti-federalists, but rats and anti-rats.

Back then, the federalists were the ones centralizing as much power as possible, so they were like democrats in that regard.

17 posted on 09/15/2011 6:54:55 PM PDT by Huck (If you are in a union, then bow to your COMMIE masters.)
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To: C210N

ME! (You’re welcome.)


18 posted on 09/15/2011 7:02:01 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: C210N

No the irony actually would be that the Progressive democrats and Confederate democrats were part of a natural progression. The southerner, Woodrow Wilson was sympathetic to the Confederates, swept the Confederate south in both elections (to celebrations in the south) and the Progressive democrats even revived the Confederate created KKK as well.

The large populist movements of the Confederate south even combined with the democrat party and its new progressive movement.


19 posted on 09/15/2011 7:14:36 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: C210N

The commercial Democ-RATS.


20 posted on 09/15/2011 7:15:26 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: M. Thatcher
You remember correctly, except that the ad had run only a few times several weeks before the Democrats made an issue of it.

-PJ

21 posted on 09/15/2011 7:18:47 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
It was a weird event, I do remember that - but of a piece with the liberal mind.

They are always shadowboxing with chimera. (In other words, they are always making sh#t up.) They can't find fault with what we actually say, so they accuse us of using language that has secret vibes - then they work themselves into frothing outrage over their private translation, convincing each other we said things we didn't say.

In earlier days, it was "code words" like "law and order," which they insisted went directly into our supporters' ears with what we REALLY meant: "we hate blacks." It was a bogeyman fantasy entirely of their own creation.

This election cycle, the term is "dog whistle" - essentially the same thing. The Tea Party is passionate about shrinking government and cutting spending, but to the left, that's all just a "dog whistle" to followers who know we REALLY are saying "we hate Obama because he's black." It's madness.

On the other hand, their entire ideology consists in believing in things that aren't there, such as emanations and penumbras. So there you go.

22 posted on 09/15/2011 7:46:18 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: C210N

I would say that I was the first to refer to them as DEMONRATS.


23 posted on 09/15/2011 7:47:13 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: M. Thatcher
their entire ideology consists in believing in things that aren't there, such as emanations and penumbras.

And disbelieving in things that are there, such as the Second Amendment.

24 posted on 09/15/2011 7:49:21 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: C210N

Actually it appears that freeper gitmo used the term demonRats in May 2003. My first use of the term was here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/963618/posts


25 posted on 09/15/2011 7:56:55 PM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: M. Thatcher
Yeah. I think, in the case of the 'rats ad, the polls were so close in Aug/Sep of 2000 (because Gore lost or was losing the 3 debates against Bush) that the Democrats needed to gin up a scandal, so they went back into their archives and took another look at that ad. That's when they spotted the RATS flash, and they then sent out a talking point that this was a sneak attack on Gore.

The irony was two-fold: 1) the 'rats moniker stuck on them forever because of their own foolishness, and 2) the real damage was done by the revelation of the Bush DUI 20 years earlier for driving 20 MPH in a 35 MPH zone.

-PJ

26 posted on 09/15/2011 7:57:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: C210N

Me wuz, everybody knows that!


27 posted on 09/15/2011 8:00:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: C210N

I have dibs on demonrats.


28 posted on 09/15/2011 8:42:58 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yes. And I also recall there being a related weird scandal-ette, something about someone working for Bush adman Mark McKinnon (himself formerly a Dem) - I don’t remember the story line clearly but it involved a chubby 25-ish female staffer (sorry, that’s what I remember) who may have been some sort of spy, or filched and mailed some video package, or whatever. I think she was fired over it, and FR spent a lot of threads analyzing her alibi, which turned out to be lame. It was all cloak and dagger but turned out to be small beer, and the details have faded. I only know my takeaway: for some reason I have been wary of McKinnon ever since.


29 posted on 09/15/2011 9:09:28 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher
Good memory!

You're recalling the stolen Bush debate tape.

Here's the story, from ABC News.

-PJ

30 posted on 09/15/2011 10:02:28 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Oh, riiiiight! Thanks for that link! Good times, good times.


31 posted on 09/15/2011 11:40:49 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Political Junkie Too
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/12/us/the-2000-campaign-the-ad-campaign-democrats-see-and-smell-rats-in-gop-ad.html

McKinnon WAS the guy who signed off on the "rats" ad.

I still see his name now and again - in fact just today read a wonderful profile of W that mentioned McKinnon, and had my leftover reaction of mistrust to that character.

http://theamericanscholar.org/dubya-and-me/

32 posted on 09/15/2011 11:50:50 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: C210N

Free Republic was calling them RATS all the way back to the corrupt Clinton days.


33 posted on 09/16/2011 3:07:19 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: C210N

In later years Henry, scared out of his gourd by the French Revolution, became a supporter of Federalists Washington and Adams and an ardent opponent of the states’ rights KY and VA Resolutions.


34 posted on 09/16/2011 3:08:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Fiji Hill
But Patrick Henry was one of the Anti-Federalists, a faction that eventually became the Democratic Party.

In the debate over the Constitution he was an anti-Federalist and he didn't trust the Federalist Party in the early years.

By the time Patrick Henry died, though, he had turned to the Federalists and been elected to the Virginia House of Delegates as a Federalist.

35 posted on 09/16/2011 2:53:57 PM PDT by x
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That line about "rats leaving a sinking ship" has been hard for politicians and political writers to avoid.

When a journalist took a job as Herbert Hoover's press secretary the joke was: "The first known case of a rat joining a sinking ship," and that comment also been recycled by columnists.

Howie Carr fans remember Congressman Joe Early shouting in Congress "They ran like rats!" about the ethics committee members that had condemned him.

36 posted on 09/17/2011 11:55:19 AM PDT by x
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