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Vitamin D not tied to fibrillation
Reuters ^ | September 16, 2011 | Linda Thrasybule

Posted on 09/17/2011 7:12:02 PM PDT by decimon

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Despite some research linking low vitamin D levels to heart disease, a new study suggests that lacking D does not increase one's risk of an irregular heartbeat known as atrial fibrillation.

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"I think the study was done well," said Dr. Michal Melamed, who studies vitamin D at the Einstein School of Medicine in New York and was not involved in the research. It shows that this one vitamin doesn't have an effect on all heart diseases, which is a good thing, she said.

A 2008 study of the same group of Framingham participants found that vitamin D levels were associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

"We think that low vitamin D affects the architecture of the heart, but I'm not sure that it affects the electrical system of the heart," Melamed told Reuters Health.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: fibrillation; health; vitamind; vitd

1 posted on 09/17/2011 7:12:08 PM PDT by decimon
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2 posted on 09/17/2011 7:12:55 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Einsteins hiding behind big words.

Hawthorn berry, check it.

3 posted on 09/17/2011 7:30:43 PM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: decimon

My endocrinologist has me on 2000 mg of Vitamin D because my levels were low.


4 posted on 09/17/2011 7:41:16 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: de.rm
Hawthorn berry, check it.

Side effects

Overdose can cause cardiac arrhythmia and dangerously lower blood pressure. Milder side effects include nausea and sedation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crataegus

5 posted on 09/17/2011 7:41:39 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
ooh, I soooo afraid of experts & their big words!?

Please stop , your scaring me, and I'm all out of Valerian root.

6 posted on 09/17/2011 7:45:34 PM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: Ciexyz
"My endocrinologist has me on 2000 mg of Vitamin D because my levels were low."

My doctor has me on 50,000 IU's a week.

7 posted on 09/17/2011 7:46:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: Ciexyz
My endocrinologist has me on 2000 mg of Vitamin D because my levels were low.

Vitamin D dosages are usually expressed in IU or micrograms. Milligrams would be lethal. I believe that 2,000IU is the maintenance level advocated by Dr. Holick.

8 posted on 09/17/2011 7:49:49 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Yep, I was just looking at the side effects yesterday! lol Going to skip it for a few days!


9 posted on 09/17/2011 7:53:45 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: de.rm
ooh, I soooo afraid of experts & their big words!?

Please stop , your scaring me, and I'm all out of Valerian root.

I post these things to hopefully help people and not to kill them. You said to check hawthorn berry and I did and I see that they can be dangerous.

10 posted on 09/17/2011 7:54:15 PM PDT by decimon
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To: blam
My doctor has me on 50,000 IU's a week.

Why so high? Our doc said 1,000 - 2,000. I had read recently that it could help fatigue so I started taking 10,000 - 12,000, until I read yesterday about irregular heartbeats and a bunch of other things. So, I thought maybe I better cut back! lol

11 posted on 09/17/2011 7:57:46 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: decimon
..no, you didn't, you throated some words from ex-spurts, you don't "know", you have opinions ( & the other thing that goes with them).

. . .let me ax you a question, "have you been taking hawthorn berry for 30 years and are you in perfect health?".

12 posted on 09/17/2011 7:58:25 PM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: decimon

Much appreciated, too. You/we should really look into these things first. I had read that ashwagandha was good for boosting the metabolism. Looked into it and its looks very risky to me.


13 posted on 09/17/2011 8:02:29 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: de.rm
...you throated some words from ex-spurts...

Nope. I posted a news article and nothing more.

. . .let me ax you a question, "have you been taking hawthorn berry for 30 years and are you in perfect health?".

My mental health is fine. So good that I don't post what appear to be drunken rants.

14 posted on 09/17/2011 8:05:39 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Netizen
You don't eat the whole tree scardy cats, moderation, stick your toe in the water, get used to it.

The prejudice is amazing, it's like it's ok to make a movie White men Can't Jump, but my script Black Men Can't Swim meets all kinds of resistance.

15 posted on 09/17/2011 8:06:52 PM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: decimon
So good that I don't post what appear to be drunken rants.

What you said! lol

16 posted on 09/17/2011 8:12:06 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen
"Why so high?"

I had been taking 4,000 IU's a day for about 18 months. My most recent blood tests show that my vitamin D was still way low...so, 50,000, we'll see.

17 posted on 09/17/2011 8:13:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: Netizen
Much appreciated, too. You/we should really look into these things first. I had read that ashwagandha was good for boosting the metabolism. Looked into it and its looks very risky to me.

I'm all for natural remedies and nutritional preventatives and all that stuff. But I want to see them studied for efficacy and for harmful effects.

Because I post a lot of this stuff I sometimes get asked for what I consider to be medical advice. That gives me a queasy feeling as I'm not at all qualified to give such advice. There are FReepers who are so qualified and they don't give specific medical advice at this remove.

18 posted on 09/17/2011 8:17:23 PM PDT by decimon
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To: blam

Mine was low too. I have to go back soon so we’ll see if mine goes up. How long have you been taking 50,000?


19 posted on 09/17/2011 8:19:26 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: de.rm
Overdose can cause cardiac arrhythmia and dangerously lower blood pressure. Milder side effects include nausea and sedation. — decimon
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ooh, I soooo afraid of experts & their big words!? Please stop , your scaring me, and I'm all out of Valerian root. — de.rm

Which words didn't you understand?

20 posted on 09/17/2011 8:30:06 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: Netizen
"How long have you been taking 50,000?"

Almost a month. I've seen/felt zero difference in myself.

21 posted on 09/17/2011 8:32:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: M. Thatcher
Which words didn't you understand?

I was having a hard time with 'and'.

And Clinton is nowhere around, to define 'is'.

22 posted on 09/17/2011 8:34:35 PM PDT by Lazamataz (If Hitler had been as lazy as Obama, the 1940's would have been a very nice decade!!)
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To: decimon

awesome post.


23 posted on 09/17/2011 8:35:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: de.rm
Hawthorn berry, check it.

Yup.

and Ubiquinol CoQ10, Folate and SUNSHINE - natural Vit. D.

24 posted on 09/17/2011 8:38:58 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: de.rm
You don't eat the whole tree scardy cats, moderation, stick your toe in the water, get used to it. The prejudice is amazing, it's like it's ok to make a movie White men Can't Jump, but my script Black Men Can't Swim meets all kinds of resistance.

I shouldn't even bother responding to you but I will. Here is the material that made me rethink the ashwangandha.

Effect on thyroid gland

My name is Rudger Hogeveen, from Netherlands. am a medical student in Holland. Recently I read an article in a Dutch medical journal regarding ashwagandha and thyroid gland. In this journal was a case report about an patient who had thyrotoxicosis after chronic ashwagandha supplement use. Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd. 2005: [ Thyrotoxicosis following the use of ashwagandha ] van der Hooft CS, Hoekstra A, Winter A, de Smet PA, Stricker BH. Inspectie voor de Gezondheidszorg, sectie Geneesmiddelenbewaking, Postbus Den Haag.

A 32-year-old healthy woman developed thyrotoxicosis while taking capsules that contained ashwagandha herbal extract for symptoms of chronic fatigue. She was not taking any other remedies or medications. During the first few weeks, she took the capsules only occasionally without any symptoms, but after increasing the dose, she experienced clinical symptoms indicative of thyrotoxicosis. This was confirmed by laboratory assessment. The symptoms resolved spontaneously after discontinuation of the ashwagandha capsules and laboratory values normalised. Data from animal studies, however, have suggested that ashwagandha can increase serum concentrations of thyroid hormones. This case study suggests that excess thyroid hormone effects is a potentially serious side effect of ashwagandha. Note: Rudger Hogeveen approved his name being mentioned.

I have been suffering from a thyroid condition for several years and am taking Synthroid with some benefit, but still am symptomatic despite lab levels which are in the target range. An herbal specialist who recommended ashwahgandha. I did feel significantly better on this supplement, my hair loss stopped, my libido returned, etc, however, I am experiencing some problems with symptoms of increased thyroid production. Because I am finally feeling better/normal for the first time in years, I would like to find a way to perhaps taper my Synthroid and stay on the ashwagandha (since it may enhance thyroid hormone production). my current endocrinologist knows nothing about herb / Ayurvedic medicine.

The influence of ashwagandha on thyroid function is still being evaluated and there is very little research on the topic, including what the appropriate dosage would be for the long term and how such supplements interact wish Synthroid or other thyroid medications.

I started taking ashwagandha capsules for the past 2 months. Last year I got my T3, T4, TSH tested and they were all normal. And now when tested again T3, T4, Ft4 are all normal but TSH is abnormal 13.9. I don't have any symptoms of hypothyroidism and still my blood reports TSH have come out positive. When consulted doctors, they asked me to get on medication Thyronorm 50mg for now. I read that ashwagandha can cause hyperthyroidism. My family has no background of any thyroid dysfunction. All of a sudden I have TSH elevated to high level and this is bothering me a lot. Now my doubt is can ashwagandha also cause hypothyroidism ? Should I stop taking the capsules. Also should I start medication for hypothyroidism or wait for now.

I can't give specific treatment advice but your doctor may wish to read this page.

I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis and when I began the herbal product I was Hyperthyroid. After a couple days I felt better, much calmer, more relaxed, etc. I did have to make a slight increase in my Methimazole (anti-thyroid medication) to compensate for what I thought was the mild thyrotoxic effects of ashwagandha. After about 6 weeks of continued daily use, my thyroid blew up. I could not sleep, and had all of the symptoms of severe hyperthyroidism. I had forgotten about the herb's potential to cause thyrotoxicosis, but "re-discovered" it, and stopped. I had to take very high doses of the Methimazole while experiencing the thyrotoxicosis. Once I stopped the ashwaganda, my thyroid appeared to normalize to its previous state after about 5 days. Then after another few days, it went very hyper once again. It did finally settle down to the normal range after a couple of weeks as confirmed by blood tests. It is now a couple months later, and I am borderline hyperthyroid. I am just letting you know, so you can warn others about ashwaganda and the danger it can present. I want to also state that your website is very informative and actually was the site that made me recall that ashwaganda can cause thyrotoxicosis. I feel that the information provided is great because it promotes a cautious approach when using supplements, as there have not been adequate studies on them. You are doing a great service for the public.

I find it very interesting and trustworthy to read about various supplements on your site. I have had some mild anxiety and mood disturbances for a while so i decided to try ashwagandha 300 mg of the whole herb, not an extract. I have read on your page that it can interfere with thyroid function. When i have been to the doctor before i asked to have my thyroid checked. I had a normal TSH and a T4 that was in the high normal range. I really want to take this herb. Obviously i am not hyperthyroid since tests are normal and symptoms are non existent. So my question is it so powerful that 300 mg of the whole herb per day can make the thyroid go hyperthyroid?

It is unlikely that small amounts of the herb will have a strong influence on thyroid hormone levels, but it is difficult to predict in any one individual what would occur.

Since I take Synthroid because my thyroid doesn't work, I thought it best to pass on the ashwagandha because of the potential risk. Even a little could mess me up.

25 posted on 09/17/2011 8:38:58 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Lazamataz

Yes, “hard time” is your middle name, as we all know, ahem.


26 posted on 09/17/2011 8:41:43 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: decimon; de.rm
An overdose of aspirin can kill ya - overdose of anything ain't good for you! geeeze. Daniel Boone died from an "overdose" of sweet potatoes. (He ate too many at one sitting and died of indigestion. Watch out for sweet potatoes!) [I had a heart attack over 15 yrs ago - left me with CHF. Could hardly get out of my own way. Docs prescribed 2 statins and a milder heart med. I have NEVER taken the statins. I Have taken Hawthorne all along, with other vitamins and supplements. I have continually gotten better while they expected me to be dead or a drooling invalid by now. They can't understand it - and do not want to hear about vits. & such. I' a great granny who has no problem walking my dog a mile 5-6 times a week.)

But you don't even need an OVERDOSE of many prescription drugs to die...

http://www.naturalnews.com/009278.html

27 posted on 09/17/2011 8:59:12 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: decimon
I started taking 5,000 IU of D3 about a 18 months ago.....I have not been sick even one day until last week when everybody in the house was sick with flu like symptoms, throwing up, body aches, fever, running nose, coughing....

I had a slight runny nose for maybe a day...

I believe...

28 posted on 09/17/2011 9:04:19 PM PDT by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: maine-iac7

I’m glad to see you health has improved. But what is good for you might kill someone else. That’s just how it is.


29 posted on 09/17/2011 9:05:28 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Popman
I started taking 5,000 IU of D3 about a 18 months ago.....I have not been sick even one day until last week when everybody in the house was sick with flu like symptoms, throwing up, body aches, fever, running nose, coughing....

I had a slight runny nose for maybe a day...

That was my norm before I started with vitamin D so it's hard to tell if I'm getting less sick. I'll catch something-or-other but nothing bad.

30 posted on 09/17/2011 9:16:59 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
YOu say: “I’m glad to see you health has improved. But what is good for you might kill someone else. That’s just how it is.”

Daniel Boone died from eating sweet potatoes. He ate too many at one sitting.

It's using common sense and doing due diligence - that what we have brains for. You want to trust the gov’t to take care of us - good for you.

I chose not too. (100s of thousands die from prescription drugs each year - that were first approved by the FDA. How many die each year from vitamins and supplements?)

I post again:

http://www.naturalnews.com/009278.html

31 posted on 09/17/2011 9:32:36 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Popman

I haven’t been sick like that either since taking the D3, though I know that is cyclical, so knock wood! lol


32 posted on 09/17/2011 9:59:08 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: maine-iac7

Hard to say since many supplements interact with prescription drugs negatively and not everyone will tell their docs what all supplements they take. just saying...


33 posted on 09/17/2011 10:01:31 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: decimon

All you have to do is look at the actual research and who funded this study. 10 to 1 this was funded by the companies that stem to lose a lot of money from people buying Vitamin D supplements.

Any time I see a study that strongly favors another group. You can pretty much right it off as a fraud study.


34 posted on 09/18/2011 7:19:12 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518
All you have to do is look at the actual research and who funded this study. 10 to 1 this was funded by the companies that stem to lose a lot of money from people buying Vitamin D supplements.

"A 2008 study of the same group of Framingham participants found that vitamin D levels were associated with an increased risk of cardiovascular disease."

35 posted on 09/18/2011 7:43:18 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Yeah and WHO paid for that study and WHO benefits from it? Follow the money...


36 posted on 09/18/2011 8:36:36 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Popman

Since I have been taking 5000 IUs a day I have not been sick.

I started taking it due to it’s effectiveness with flu immunity and because as an Irish Redhead who lives half the year in Ireland, I avoid the sun or wear a high SPF.


37 posted on 09/18/2011 8:46:25 AM PDT by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage (Don't blame Michele Bachmann. Her parents had her vaccinated.)
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To: Sprite518
Yeah and WHO paid for that study and WHO benefits from it? Follow the money...

According to the article, the research group has concluded that vitamin D is beneficial to heart health but that it does not help with atrial fibrillation.

38 posted on 09/18/2011 8:59:12 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

You did not answer my question. So WHO did the quack study?


39 posted on 09/18/2011 9:32:09 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: decimon

I think you nailed that one. :)


40 posted on 09/18/2011 9:39:30 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sprite518
You did not answer my question. So WHO did the quack study?

You give yourself away with this. You call them quacks without knowing a thing about them and continue with the "follow the money" line without knowing anything about that. Someone could as easily play the "follow the money" game with Sarah Palin, Ronald Reagan or George Washington.

41 posted on 09/18/2011 10:05:49 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Yup still no answer which validates everything I thought... LOL! Thanks for the laugh!


42 posted on 09/18/2011 11:41:04 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518
Yup still no answer which validates everything I thought...

You can as well answer where the funding came from as I can. That was a foolish question.

Or, if it's not a foolish question then you answer it to support your contention.

LOL! Thanks for the laugh!

I doubt that anyone believes you are laughing.

43 posted on 09/18/2011 11:45:48 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

I don’t and I think you nailed it! :)


44 posted on 09/19/2011 10:57:43 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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