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When the Cop Says Stop What do you do when you know your area's bike laws, but the police don't?
Bicycling.com ^ | Bob Mionske

Posted on 09/18/2011 7:32:42 AM PDT by Immerito

A few months ago, I received a phone call from a cyclist with an incredible story about an incident in Lawrence County, Ohio. Because the cyclist-a guy named Tony Patrick-was in need of an attorney, I hooked him up with Steve Magas, a contributing author to Bicycling & the Law, and a well-known bicycling attorney in Ohio. After hearing Tony's story, Steve took his case. More about that later; first, let me tell you about Tony.

Weekdays, Tony runs his small construction company in Huntington, West Virginia. Weeknights, and weekends, Tony, a Cat 2 racer, can often be found hanging out at Jeff's Bike Shop-that is, when he's not out on a training ride, or racing. And that's not unusual; Jeff's Bike Shop is the center of a vibrant racing scene in Huntington, the second-largest city in West Virginia, and the home of Marshall University.

That racing scene means regular training rides, all of which start out and end up at Jeff's. There's a ride every other day, each geared to a different set of riders, but the real hammerfest is the Tuesday night ride. That's the ride where the locals try, as Tony puts it, to hurt each other over the course of a 23-34 mile route that takes them across the Ohio River, into the back roads of southern Ohio, before looping back across the river into Huntington.

And that's how Tony found himself just outside of Chesapeake, Ohio, one Tuesday night in August of 2008, heading into town to take the bridge back across to Huntington. Tony was riding with "Ryan," a then-16 year old nationally-ranked racer with a 4.2 GPA. ["Ryan" is a pseudonym; I've concealed his identity because he's a minor.]

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1 posted on 09/18/2011 7:32:47 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: Immerito

Lesson here is to stay out of Ohio.


2 posted on 09/18/2011 7:40:35 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Immerito
If Tony runs a construction company, why doesn't he build tracks/training/riding paths for him and his buds?

He obviously doesn't have enough sense to stay off the roads where death is one splat away.

3 posted on 09/18/2011 7:44:29 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Immerito

Having lived in mountain communities and beach communities with riders, I find they are a pain in the ass. They do not obey traffic laws, they ride in clumps impeding traffic (when paths are provided) and generally obnoxious sots.
I have little sympathy for them when for years I have seen how they “obey the law” - they don’t.


4 posted on 09/18/2011 7:44:54 AM PDT by svcw ( http://www.internetlastpage.com)
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To: Immerito

The article writer took 9 pages to tell his story. Seems to be impressed with himself and love the cyclists.


5 posted on 09/18/2011 7:48:32 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Disgusted with the establishment GOP and their enablers.)
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To: svcw

“they ride in clumps impeding traffic (when paths are provided) and generally obnoxious sots.”

They scuff your paint job when you swat them with a fender as well....


6 posted on 09/18/2011 7:49:24 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: rawcatslyentist
He obviously doesn't have enough sense to stay off the roads where death is one splat away.

I guess all walkers, people walking their dogs, runners, kid on bikes, etc should stay off the roads, too. Right? Roads are for cars only. Right?

7 posted on 09/18/2011 7:50:58 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Rebelbase

Well he was writing for a cycling site, I supposed his love of cyclists could surprise some people.


8 posted on 09/18/2011 7:51:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Rebelbase
The article writer took 9 pages to tell his story.

When I got to the bottom of the first page and realized that, I bailed.

Naked blog-hit pimping.

9 posted on 09/18/2011 7:51:45 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
why doesn't he build tracks/training/riding paths for him and his buds

I bike at least twice a week when the weather is good, and I agree with you 100%.

Bicyclists should have no right to be on a road, period. When you think about it, it doesn't even make sense. A bike going 5 mph sharing a road with cars going 35 mph?

As you said, if you want to bike, find a bike trail.

10 posted on 09/18/2011 7:51:57 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Immerito

Is this article actually 10+ pages long? According to the link, it is.


11 posted on 09/18/2011 7:55:49 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Immerito

After suffering through that article, I would have entitled it “When A-holes Collide”, the cop was one, and the bikers were not to far off the mark either.


12 posted on 09/18/2011 7:57:41 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Immerito

This cop certainly seems to have delusions of grandeur as well as anger management issues. This deputy needs to be fired and the prosecutors who defended this idiot’s action before a judge need to be sanctioned and disciplined by the court. This is totally outrageous and the taxpayers are going to get hammered in this case when it gets to court.


13 posted on 09/18/2011 7:58:37 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

HUH? I do not pass them on mountain roads, as much as I would love to knock them over I don’t.
Bike paths have plenty of room if they road single file like the are supposed to - they don’t. That’s why its called impeding traffic.
The worst offenders are the ones with the “special” racing colors and those helmets that make them look like their heads are deformed.......


14 posted on 09/18/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by svcw ( http://www.internetlastpage.com)
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To: Immerito

When a cop says “Pull over”, you better pull over. Why argue with him? Not that cops are always right. But they are always cops. You get a lot further being nice than arguing with them over a traffice issue.


15 posted on 09/18/2011 7:59:30 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: svcw
The worst problem is that in my town bicyclist refuse to obey stop signs or stop lights. If there is one anyplace near you, best to not move until they are gone.

I speak from experience as I had one dart right in front of my car when I was going 5 miles an hour with the light and he was riding in the crosswalk, not on the road. Luckily he was not seriously injured, tried to flush marijuana and was not wearing a helmet. In addition, many observers in the area told the police that I was a total victim. Of course, he was a minor and I had to handle the repairs to my car with my insurance only.

I personally think that bicyclists need to learn to share the road, or get off the road. I could not live with myself if I seriously hurt a bicyclist, but they must learn to be responsible or they will die. It is as simple as that.

16 posted on 09/18/2011 8:00:24 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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To: Immerito
"I have got as much right to the road as anyone else," and continued riding towards town.

Yep, and many on two wheels will be willing to lose a fight with a 1 ton vehicle to prove it.....idiots!

17 posted on 09/18/2011 8:00:52 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Immerito

Simple common sense: when the cop says “stop” you stop. If the cop is wrong you’ll have your day in court to demonstrate that. To ignore the order to stop only needlessly escalates the situation.


18 posted on 09/18/2011 8:01:04 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Terrorism is nothing more than Kinetic Islam)
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To: Immerito

This cyclists license an tags an proof of liability an collision insurance gives him all the authority he needs to be on the road like the rest of the drivers on the roads........:o)

Physics an safety be dammed ....spandex vs steel phhhhtttt..;o)

This story is he said we said BS.


19 posted on 09/18/2011 8:01:26 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: MasterGunner01

The deputy doesn’t need to be fired, he needs to be criminally charged. Oh, and fired.


20 posted on 09/18/2011 8:01:56 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Immerito

Without bothering to read nine pages of self-satisfied preening, I can tell you from my reading of the title what my reaction is: When the cop says “stop,” you stop. If he is unaware of the laws, you explain them. If he is not convinced, you go back home, download and print the .gov page that applies and carry it with you for next time. If THAT does not work, you accept the ticket and fight it in court with a lawyer. If that does not work, you sue. There. And I didn’t have to wade through 9 pages of posing prosing.


21 posted on 09/18/2011 8:02:07 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: raybbr

That’s why there are paths for walking and biking, no they should not be in the road competing with tonnage moving at 35+mph.


22 posted on 09/18/2011 8:02:27 AM PDT by svcw ( http://www.internetlastpage.com)
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To: Rebelbase

He’s writing for a bicycling magazine.


23 posted on 09/18/2011 8:02:49 AM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: w1andsodidwe

Wow. I agree, I would be mortified if I hit someone, but I’d still like to punch many of them in the face.


24 posted on 09/18/2011 8:05:14 AM PDT by svcw ( http://www.internetlastpage.com)
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To: Leaning Right

I bike lots. Like 100 or so miles a week.

These guys deserved to get tased for being a couple of douche bags. When a cops tells you to stop, you stop.

Hell, I’d tase em just for the fun of it.


25 posted on 09/18/2011 8:06:34 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Immerito

What happened, in 200 words or less, please?


26 posted on 09/18/2011 8:07:09 AM PDT by liberateUS
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

No stop order was given, until it was “stop or I’ll shoot.” “Get off the f.....g road!!” isn’t an order to stop.


27 posted on 09/18/2011 8:07:34 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Immerito

Locally, bicyclists are going to accomplish what the open carry dummies in kalifornia accomplished, viz. to have the whole thing outlawed. That’s what happens when people get arrogant and confrontational.


28 posted on 09/18/2011 8:07:51 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Leaning Right
LBicyclists should have no right to be on a road, period.

Good look with that, Gomer. In the mean time, keep your eyes on the road and your big wide butt where current traffic laws dictate.

29 posted on 09/18/2011 8:07:57 AM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: svcw
"do not obey traffic laws"

I'd like to stand at a stop sign and see how many cyclists stop for the stop sign. It's been my experience very few cyclists stop. I've lost count of the numbers of cyclists I've seen peddling furiously towards a stop sign and then kept on going after making a perfunctory sideways glance to see if traffic was coming.

30 posted on 09/18/2011 8:08:54 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: raybbr

Yes! Move into the 21st century where we have vehicles that can move faster than 20 MPH, sell that $7,000 bike, and use the money to buy a car. < /selfish sarcastic commentary borne from countless times being trapped behind a cyclist riding 15 MPH on a 45 MPH road >

Yes I understand and even agree that cyclists have every right to be on the road, as a sidewalk clearly is no place for someone on a bicycle. I get that.

Doesn’t mean I have to like it though. And honestly, I’ve never understood the rationale in paying more for a bike than a good used car.


31 posted on 09/18/2011 8:11:45 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Immerito
Several lessons here:

Most cops don't know the law, generally speaking, and are trained that way.

Like a lot of law, bicycle law doesn't always make sense.

When it comes to natural law, automobiles and trucks will win over bicycles.

It doesn't take nine pages to complain about natural law.

A professional doesn't put the public a risk by training on a public right of way.

32 posted on 09/18/2011 8:12:17 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: svcw

If you want to tangle with utterly clueless bicyclists on a nearly minute by minute basis, try driving an actual car around Silver Lake Harbor on Ocracoke Island, NC during high season. Love the place, it’s gorgeous, peaceful and slightly wacky like the best island towns tend to be, but the cyclists are completely out of control.


33 posted on 09/18/2011 8:13:15 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Tijeras_Slim

My exact sentiments.


34 posted on 09/18/2011 8:13:32 AM PDT by ontap
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To: ETL; null and void

This is one of those “what do you do when you see an endangered animal eating an endangered plant” type of circumstances. An out of control cop vs a bike rider in the road.


35 posted on 09/18/2011 8:14:03 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: driftdiver
No. Lesson here is when a cop tells you to do something you do it, and don't give him any lip. Sort it out later if you want to be some kind of hero.
36 posted on 09/18/2011 8:15:06 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Shimmer1

Arrogant cyclists. Had three cyclists riding abreast, taking up both northbound lanes of a 4-lane road. And these are the same ones pushing for bike lanes in town. If you’re not going 40MPH or thereabouts, ride single file on the right, or get a ticket.


37 posted on 09/18/2011 8:17:05 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Leaning Right
"A bike going 5 mph sharing a road with cars going 35 mph?"

Though I agree that the spandex wearers are a PITA on roads, a bike can easily go 15 to 25 mph. I can easily outpace cars when riding on park access roads with speed bumps as an active suspension that can anticipate the bumps doesn't have to slow down.

38 posted on 09/18/2011 8:18:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Squantos; Gilbo_3
NO sympathy from my house. These cyclists are a pain in the ass here. They "believe" they have a right to resources that we, as tax paying drivers PAY for. They ride in clumps at much slower speeds, therefore presenting a road hazard for motor vehicle drivers, and they can be just plain disagreeable.

What really galls me though is to see a grown man in brightly colored spandex, wearing a pointy helmet and actually thinking he's cool. They say that they're trying to keep fit. I say if they really want to keep fit, then they should look up their local Army ROTC unit and do PT with them!

Me and SoapGirl walked in on a gaggle of them once at a local country store on our way to hauling trash to the dump. Her reaction the the combination of gray pony-tails, rolls of fat, and spandex was VISIBLE. I just slipped off behind racks of nabs and honeybuns while she stood just inside the door with her hand to her mouth, in shock. :-) I think they might have heard her comment later about how the combination of "fat and spandex" should be illegal. :-) But I can't be for certain.

Until they pay for the road as motor vehicle drivers do, they'll get little sympathy from most people. :-)
40 posted on 09/18/2011 8:18:44 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: hinckley buzzard

“No. Lesson here is when a cop tells you to do something you do it, and don’t give him any lip. Sort it out later if you want to be some kind of hero.”

here lick my boots, they are black and SHINY!


41 posted on 09/18/2011 8:19:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: coloradan
“Get off the f.....g road!!” isn’t an order to stop.

Stupid. If a cop says it to you, then get off the f*ing road. Don't be a wise guy, it usually doesn't work out too well.

42 posted on 09/18/2011 8:19:43 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tijeras_Slim

After suffering through that article, I would have entitled it “When A-holes Collide”,

My take also in this case.

I definitely think there are times to challenge the police state which we have brought upon ourselves, but normally that is via the court system. There too however Judges have become the police authority when the fundamental principle of a court of law is trial by a jury of fellow citizens; the Judge is only a referee, and lawyers of course really have no special standing except to represent someone "before the bar" if that someone agrees.

Just as there seems to be more and more A-holes in our society, likewise there seems to be more and more in police enforcement. One reflects the other.

Personally I think we are seeing a serious breakdown in US civil society and I call that Leftism.

43 posted on 09/18/2011 8:20:12 AM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: svcw

Every time some bicyclist starts chatting about how car drivers don’t look or don’t make room, blah, blah, blah, I ask, “Should bicyclists pass on the right?”


44 posted on 09/18/2011 8:20:58 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: hiredhand

“Until they pay for the road as motor vehicle drivers do, they’ll get little sympathy from most people. :-) “

Funny thing about bicyclists, most of them are drivers and taxpayers too.

shazzam, so much for that “when they pay” argument.


45 posted on 09/18/2011 8:22:15 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Navy Patriot
It doesn't take nine pages to complain about natural law.

Sucker is actually 12 pages long! Might be a good message/point there, but 12 pages?!

46 posted on 09/18/2011 8:22:37 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Immerito

Dhimmikrats support hyphenated american special citizenship rights to the endangered “VAIL-SKIER” and to the “CYCLIST-ATTORNEY”.

Cyclists seem to lack just routine, commonplace manners. Cyclists appear to have rights to property along their special paths.

Most folks have to have identity papers(the plastic thing with your photo from the DMV). Cyclist-Attorneys don’t need one. They could be lordy knows all sorts of unwanted folks like pedophiles or serial rapists hanging out near daycares or school zones. They might even be ACORN folks visitng the local CEMETERY to register voters.

Caddis


47 posted on 09/18/2011 8:23:52 AM PDT by palmerizedCaddis
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To: driftdiver
Tell ya what--next time you get pulled over, get all smart-ass with the cop and lip off to him about his boots. Then come back and tell us how that worked out for you. Grow up schmuck.
48 posted on 09/18/2011 8:24:06 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Best post of the thread. Both parties were behaving like jerks. This cop is just another of those "jack-booted thugs" on a power trip, but "Tony" and "Ryan" were acting like "entitled" little jerks--and I have encountered enough bicyclists to know first hand how rude they are on the road.

"Don't tase me bro'!"
49 posted on 09/18/2011 8:26:38 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Immerito

“4.2 GPA”?


50 posted on 09/18/2011 8:27:26 AM PDT by traderrob6
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