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9-19-11 | self

Posted on 09/19/2011 7:30:45 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer

If I sell online, can I get scammed if they pay me thru Paypal?


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I have a suspicious potential buyer who insists we use Paypal. Ive never used Paypal. I know it is a reputable operation, but can disreputable people scam someone while appearing to pay thru Paypal?
1 posted on 09/19/2011 7:30:50 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Former MSM Viewer
I would not use Paypal for a Craigslist sale. I buy/sell lots of stuff on Craigslist. Cash, period end of story.
2 posted on 09/19/2011 7:32:29 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Yes and no... They can dispute the transaction, which causes Paypal to hold up the money until it’s resolved - and that can take weeks or months. If you sold what was advertised, you’ll eventually win but it can take a LONG time.

Don’t take Paypal - take cash.


3 posted on 09/19/2011 7:34:18 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

CASH only on Craigslist. Too many progressive libs attempt to purchase items they think are entitlements. Label these crooks obama-supporters.


4 posted on 09/19/2011 7:34:38 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Hmmm. Do they want you to mail the item it to them? If yes, then SCAM.

If they put a bad check directly in your bank account that takes a little while to clear then SCAM and you are left holding the bag.

Spokeo.com the person’s name and see what you come up with. You can call paypal directly-

866-888-4178 2 mins avg wait
Don’t press ANYTHING!

402-935-2050 5 mins avg wait
Press 0 or say “Agent” at each pro...


5 posted on 09/19/2011 7:36:41 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: mad_as_he$$

Me neither. The reason why I go to CL is to pay cash. Just 2 months ago I bought a clock in cash for the fraction of a price that I broke 5 years ago and never thought it would be made again. In pristine condition, and in the original box. And the seller was a 5 minute drive.


6 posted on 09/19/2011 7:37:27 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

If you use paypal for craigslist you will have a lot more chance of getting scammed. Also only deal locally


7 posted on 09/19/2011 7:37:37 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Just dont ever send anything until you have CASH MONEY in hand.

If one more of my friends falls for that ‘certified check’ scam I will scream like a girl.


8 posted on 09/19/2011 7:37:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket~!!!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer
Paypal has their own ways of scamming you.

Don't use them to receive payment.

Cash only on craigslist.

9 posted on 09/19/2011 7:38:06 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Cash only and deal with people locally or close by.

Meet them in public place to do the transaction, be very wary of people coming to your home, unless you are selling a piano or something that you can’t fit in your car.


10 posted on 09/19/2011 7:38:27 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: mad_as_he$$

I’ve heard about guys buying guitar amplifiers on CL and Ebay, receiving them. Claiming not as advertised, or damaged. Using Paypal. The sellers finally got their amps back,,,, minus tubes, speakers, and transformers!


11 posted on 09/19/2011 7:39:32 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

PayPal on Ebay is fairly safe but nothing is 100%. Best rule if selling anywhere is make sure the money is in your banking acct. before surendering the item. Not just cleared through the credit card.


12 posted on 09/19/2011 7:40:40 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Did you ask why he insists on paypal? There are good reasons why.

Don’t allow pickup until the funds are in your account. Be sure his paypal account is in good standing, and that it wasn’t opened recently. If he has an ebay account, check his feedback, and have him send you an email from his ebay account.

I’ve used paypal for hundreds of transactions over what, 5 years, and I’ve never had a chargeback.


13 posted on 09/19/2011 7:41:28 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: FromTheSidelines

Don’t take Paypal - take cash.

One other caveat, pick up only. Never meet anyone at a strange location. And,if you think you should take a friend or gun for safety, don’t go.


14 posted on 09/19/2011 7:41:28 AM PDT by burroak
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To: mad_as_he$$
 I would not use Paypal for a Craigslist sale. I buy/sell lots of stuff on Craigslist. Cash, period end of story.
 
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My sentiments exactly. Repeated for emphasis.
 

I would not use Paypal for a Craigslist sale. I buy/sell lots of stuff on Craigslist. Cash, period end of story.


15 posted on 09/19/2011 7:41:47 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Neoliberalnot

A young man was selling something on craigslist here in GA. He met the buyers in a nice neighborhood and the buyer was actually a carload of black boys who didn’t live in the neighborhoo. They robbed him and jumped in their car and were leaving the cul-de-sac. The young man did a U-turn to get their license plate and they shot him, turned around and shot him again until he was dead. His young girlfriend was in the care with him when it happened.

Just be careful. And mention that your brother who is a policeman will be with you.


16 posted on 09/19/2011 7:41:57 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Cash only.

Other tips:

Get a separate email account (hotmail,gmail...) to sign up with. The email you use with the ‘anonymizer’ will likely be harvested for spam when you respond to a bogus inquiry.

Responses that don’t specifically mention something in your ad- not just the title of the ad- are just spams and scams. Don’t reply to them.


17 posted on 09/19/2011 7:43:02 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Former MSM Viewer
Right out of the box you are being scammed by using PayPal. If you think PayPal will help you in a dispute with the buyer you have not been through the PayPal dispute resolution process.

PayPal does not offer protection to a seller no matter what PayPal says. The buyer can file a dispute, the money is pulled from your account immediately and deposited into PayPal’s account. You will then be in for a 6 month dispute resolution process in which PayPal is the final judge. Your paperwork and documentation has to be perfect and even that is not a guarantee you will prevail.

18 posted on 09/19/2011 7:44:37 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: FromTheSidelines

Not so much true unless you use paypal on ebay. Buyers do not have the same rules as they do on ebay.I have used paypal for payment for transaction over 5K off craigslist, money went straight to my bank account les 2.9% fee.


19 posted on 09/19/2011 7:45:10 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: Former MSM Viewer

I would advise CASH only for any Craigslist transactions.
There are to many scammers on Craigslist. If someone wants to only use Paypal , I would pass.

I use Paypal all the time for purchasing items on EBAY and have never had a problem. However, there is transaction history for people who sell on EBAY and most people are running a legitimate business.


20 posted on 09/19/2011 7:45:37 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Mr. K

We almost fell for the motorcycle on craigslist- you know, the one that belonged to a soldier killed in Afghanistan and it just hurt too much to see it in the garage.

Seller wanted to ship it to us from Kansas. Say What??? You mean no one in Kansas wants a Harley and you have to send it to Georgie? And you want us to pay now and then we will get the bike when the money clears?!

Where is Charles Bronson when you need him?!


21 posted on 09/19/2011 7:47:34 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Yes, be very careful meeting anyone in person. There have been many cases where people have been murdered. Try to bring some kind of protection with you- mace, a small machete, a knife in the toe of your shoe or a big goon. Learn karate first if possible. Even worse, if you’re killed, Craigslist will delete your account and won’t let you sell anything more online.


22 posted on 09/19/2011 7:50:01 AM PDT by Krankor
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

They where lucky. I sold a completely functional vinyl cutter on feebay and accepted paypal for it in the amount of 10,000 dollars. Item was crated and shipped. All was good until 5.5 months later the guy claimed it was broken and did not work (5.5 months later? ya.. right)

Paypal does NOT fight charge backs. So they gave him the money back and told him to return the item.

That was 15 years ago. I’ve heard of the slow boat to china but even that would have arrived by now.

They sent a collection company after me who sued me. I won when I mentioned to the judge that my product was never returned and the collection company could not prove otherwise.

5 years of fighting with the collection company and dealing with the bad mark on my credit made me realize no ebay OR paypal for this guy.

I’ll use paypal to pay for something but NEVER to accept payment for something.


23 posted on 09/19/2011 7:50:07 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Are you selling a car? Some big ticket item?

IF you are selling a car (or buying); this is what I do.

Handle the financials at the tax office. Or better yet, a title transfer office.

It’s assurance for the buyer and seller. Do not hand over cash or a cashiers check until you get the white slip.

I bought a good used car last year from a fellow who had an open title. He owned the car, but he never registered the title. No problem - I said - I’ll still buy it as long as I get a white slip (guarantee to get the original title in 3 weeks).

Anyway, I got a clear title, but the poor fool had to pay a $100 penalty only because he failed to register the vehicle when he bought it 6 months ealier.


24 posted on 09/19/2011 7:50:27 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

And one more thing. I always ask for a phone number when I am selling something. I specifically say that emails with no phone numbers will not be answered. You would be surprised how many generic questions or responses we get that are only a way to get our email address.

‘I am interested.’
‘How many do you have?’

No phone number, no name. Just looking for a response to get your email.


25 posted on 09/19/2011 7:51:14 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Cash only on Craigslist. I cannot imagine why anyone would insist on using paypal unless they have some kind of scam going.

Walk away.


26 posted on 09/19/2011 7:51:44 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

“Yes and no... They can dispute the transaction, which causes Paypal to hold up the money until it’s resolved - and that can take weeks or months. If you sold what was advertised, you’ll eventually win but it can take a LONG time.

Don’t take Paypal - take cash.”

Incorrect, if the buyer disputes and if you don’t have an official delivery confirmation, you lose. And if you do use a delivery confirmation, they can always file a ‘item not as described claim’ and of course you will lose. Never sell anything of value via paypal!!! If the customer is a crook, you will lose! Sorry to be so dramatic, but paypal is the best pal a crook has ever had. Have been selling online since 2002, i sell lots of small value stuff, 5-10-15 dollar sales, and have been scammed many times, but the value is small enough that no one sale can break me, but it is very easy to scam on paypal. DO NOT SELL VIA PAYPAL. If it is valuable, Cash only and move on if they refuse. If the are a crook, and no there way around paypal, you will lose. There are websites that school crooks on how to scam sellers on paypal...beware!


27 posted on 09/19/2011 7:53:25 AM PDT by ohiobuckeye1997
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To: ohiobuckeye1997

Sounds to me like whoever is trying to purchase this is a crook by demanding paypal.


28 posted on 09/19/2011 7:57:22 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: cableguymn

“’ll use paypal to pay for something but NEVER to accept payment for something.”

Abdo-lutely!


29 posted on 09/19/2011 7:58:34 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer
Selling on Craig's List can be hazardous to your health and safety. Our sheriff advises against selling anything that allows potential buyers to visit your home.

If you are selling cars, motorcycles or bicycles that will allow you to meet the buyer at a neutral location you are better off. Our sheriff recommends his parking lot where a safe CASH transaction can take place.

Things like appliances, jewelry, and furniture have led to home invasions, even murder!

30 posted on 09/19/2011 8:00:52 AM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: ohiobuckeye1997

I beg to differ with you. I had a buyer for a tractor, about $6K. He sent his ranch hand to come look at it and was satisfied with it. Through paypal I sent him an email invoice for that amount and in the remarks section of the invoice I entered all sales final, sold as is where is.It left him with no recourse. He paid with credit card and I was immediately credited to my bank account. Less 2.9 %


31 posted on 09/19/2011 8:03:28 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Thanks for all the good ideas. I have some things to sell too & tried Craigs list in spring with no results (my mom’s handicap items.. bed, wheelchair etc).

GOing to try again soon & have more things to add

good tips from you. I had felt cash was the ONLY way to go but your other ideas are helpful


32 posted on 09/19/2011 8:04:39 AM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

bfl


33 posted on 09/19/2011 8:37:06 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

We just recently bought a car on CL. The dealer seemed so low key (just a few cars) that we checked them out. He was what he claimed, and things worked out well, and we saved a ton of money.

The rule:

If you are buying a car from a private seller, you go to the DMV and do it there. The seller comes in with you. Now you might want to escape taxes somehow, but it’s not worth it. I cannot tell you how many people I know bought a car (sometimes for thousands) and at the office found the car had liens or wasn’t even the seller’s to sell.

I know someone who spent thousands and found the car was a rental car with a counterfeit title. It had been reported as stolen.

If you tell the person to meet you at the DMV and the money will only be handed over when the title is confirmed, a crook will scuttle.


34 posted on 09/19/2011 8:48:55 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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Cash only. In person meeting at a safe spot. Bring a friend if you’re going to their place. Have back up just in case if they are coming to your place.


35 posted on 09/19/2011 8:55:36 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

only sell in person, locally.


36 posted on 09/19/2011 9:17:29 AM PDT by big bad easter bunny
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To: I still care

See my post 24. I agree. Buying a car? Handle it at the DMV.

And anymore.. If you are SELLING a car. Go to the DMV as well.

Make sure the buyer registers it. So that you are released from liability as owner. In case the buyer runs over someone, crashes into something, runs up big toll bills and so on.


37 posted on 09/19/2011 9:18:15 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: eastforker

Paypal can - and will - hold money if there is a dispute. If you’ve already pulled the cash to your bank you’re OK at that time, but as long as that dispute is still open, they will hold any other funds up to the disputed amount.


38 posted on 09/19/2011 9:19:16 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Responsibility2nd

A simple form provided by the state of Texas when filled out by seller and buyer with the buyers info will relieve you of that resposibility if sold in private.


39 posted on 09/19/2011 9:23:42 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: FromTheSidelines

Can not be a dispute if sold as is where is all sales final on the invoice.


40 posted on 09/19/2011 9:25:35 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: FromTheSidelines

As far as non titled items. I can see where a titled item could be disputed.


41 posted on 09/19/2011 9:28:01 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: eastforker

That’s true. Either send in the top of the Title. Or now you can even do it online.


42 posted on 09/19/2011 9:30:51 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Even the Craigslist help pages indicate payment and item delivery should be made face-to-face. Craigslist isn’t really intended to sell things long distance. That’s what ebay is for. I’ve bought and sold on craiglist and ebay, and I’ve found that PayPal works well for ebay transactions if one uses proper caution. However, it never even occurred to me to make a craigslist transaction with anything other than cash.


43 posted on 09/19/2011 9:34:21 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: All

if you demand cash, you should also invest in a counterfeit marker like most stores use.


44 posted on 09/19/2011 9:41:14 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Do not use Paypal. They have a dispute and arbitration process that strongly favors the buyer and gives the buyer every possible benefit of the doubt. If you are shipping an item, even if you have proof of shipping and delivery, Paypal can still “at their sole discretion” hold up your receipt of funds. At buyer’s request, at Paypal’s discretion, and for no reason at all except for Paypal’s interest in holding the money as long as possible.
You stand to lose the item, the money, and the shipping costs. (If it’s an ebay item you’re expected to ship immediately even though Paypal may clamp a 3-week hold on the shipping funds.)
Don’t use Paypal.
Also, you say you have a “suspicious” potential buyer. Already suspicious? Go with cash, local pickup, written receipt and a witness — or just don’t sell.
If you’ve never used Paypal you are practically certain not to have the money before 21 days are up. If ever. You must also pass a verification process to receive money, and you will have to cough up your SSN too, though Paypal is not a bank...and not your friend.
Don’t use Paypal!!


45 posted on 09/19/2011 9:43:56 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Two things make Craigslist work:

Face to face.
Cash (or check - at your potential peril)

Take one of those away and you take away what is good about Craigslist.


46 posted on 09/19/2011 9:45:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

I don’t know if this will help you but I have purchased a lot of items from Craigslist. I have always paid cash. I have even had firewood delivered to the house and the seller always says, “Cash only”. I make sure I have my husband or son home when they deliver since I don’t know them (and they don’t know me. Many times, they look a bit nervous when first arriving). I have never had a problem with any of the buyers or they with me.


47 posted on 09/19/2011 9:54:24 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Make sure the buyer registers it. So that you are released from liability as owner. In case the buyer runs over someone, crashes into something, runs up big toll bills and so on.”

I had that exact thing happen when I sold a motorcycle last year. They guy wanted to keep the license plates, but here in Colorado the plates belong to the owner and the buyer must go get their own plates. I knew this was the scam: Get the bike but keep my plates and not register it. So, once they paid in cash I took the plates. They were pissed. F’em. Couldn’t care less.

Once I had the signed bill of sale I went to the DMV and registered the bike in the buyer’s name. It was easy: I simply said I sold it, showed the BOS, and they entered the buyer’s name into the DMV system so that if he did anything with it my name wouldn’t show as the owner.

People of all types try to not register a vehicle by buying a used one and keeping the plates. They don’t want to register a vehicle because they have arrest warrants or other issues they keep them out of the DMV.


48 posted on 09/19/2011 10:14:16 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad

Ha ha. Good story.

And yeah, here in Texas, they are suggesting that private sellers pull their plates off when they sell. The buyer can get temp plates at the tax office (DMV) or even download them and print them off the internet.


49 posted on 09/19/2011 10:19:52 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

These are feral affies and we seem them with increasing frequency stealing from stores in mass. The media has downplayed these events by calling them flashmobs. It is becoming part of their culture.


50 posted on 09/19/2011 10:52:55 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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