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GM OnStar cars will upload all data unless owners opt out
The Register ^ | 21 September 2011 | Bill Ray

Posted on 09/21/2011 10:54:36 AM PDT by ShadowAce

Cars fitted with OnStar's technology will be tracked even if the owners don't sign up to the service, in a change to the company's policy that will kick in come December.

OnStar is a service offered by General Motors USA, which inserts a mobile phone, along with telemetry tracking kit, into cars sold by the company. Owners are then offered the option to sign up to the navigation and automatic crash reporting, but in a policy change the company will start collecting data from drivers even if they haven't signed up for the service.

In the notice being sent out to subscribers, and picked up by Wired, OnStar explains that from December this year it will start collecting information about everything from oil levels to mileage, and details of any accident in which the vehicle is involved – including direction of impact, seatbelt use and the location/speed of the vehicle at the time of the accident.

That is the critical part, to the insurance companies at least. Several US insurance claims have already been invalidated by cars which grassed on their owners, who proved to be travelling faster than they had admitted, and OnStar will hand over the data to the police when required to, and anyone else they deem necessary for "the safety of you or others".

Until now, that data was only available where owners had been signed up to the service, which includes satellite navigation, but come December anyone whose car is fitted with the technology, and hasn't explicitly opted out (by phoning OnStar), will be subject to monitoring by the company.

Earlier this month the European Commission formally adopted eCall, which requires all new cars sold within the EU to be fitted with automatic tracking, and an embedded cellular phone, by 2015. eCall will call up the emergency services in the event of a crash, but it will also put a mobile phone into every car in Europe, which opens up a host of options.

Cars are already getting over-the-air software modifications. Red Bend, specialists in remote software updating, send out software patches to various models over the GSM network; the company is looking forward to being able to reach out to every car to ensure they're running the latest and greatest OS and applications.

In its statement (PDF, 10 pages but quite readable), OnStar explains it will also be collecting anonymous data for traffic and usage analysis, which is probably more valuable to General Motors than details about individuals. The same thing will no doubt apply to eCall-equipped cars when they come on sale.

Few people will bother opting out of such a service, which means that those who do will simply attract attention to themselves. All this is for your own safety and convenience, of course, but if you want to travel anonymously after 2015 then best get yourself an (eCall-exempted) motorcycle and read the small print carefully. ®


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: anonymity; gm; gubmintmotors; onspy; onstar; optout; security; spy

1 posted on 09/21/2011 10:54:39 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

2 posted on 09/21/2011 10:55:25 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Could we expect anything different from Government Motors?
3 posted on 09/21/2011 10:57:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: ShadowAce

Anyone know if Ford is doing the same thing with their SYNC system?


4 posted on 09/21/2011 10:59:56 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: ShadowAce

Ray LaHood wants to know how much to tax you for GM pensions (for future reference)


5 posted on 09/21/2011 11:00:20 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: arthurus

Guess I’ll unplug some wires...


6 posted on 09/21/2011 11:01:28 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: ShadowAce

JAm, disable or rip it out by it’s tenticles.


7 posted on 09/21/2011 11:02:01 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: ShadowAce

I guess Big Brother figures this is the next best thing to cramming everyone onto public transit. They’ll still know where you are, where you’ve been, and where you’re going.


8 posted on 09/21/2011 11:02:23 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: commish

I have a feeling that it will be connected to the brainbox.
If you disable, you probably will kill your car.


9 posted on 09/21/2011 11:04:55 AM PDT by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: ShadowAce

The microchip embedded in you by the hospital right after you’re born is not many years away...


10 posted on 09/21/2011 11:05:59 AM PDT by American Quilter (aka American Hobbit)
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To: ShadowAce

The microchip embedded in you by the hospital right after you’re born is not many years away...


11 posted on 09/21/2011 11:06:05 AM PDT by American Quilter (aka American Hobbit)
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To: ShadowAce

Thanks GM, I keep looking at the new Camaro.. but it’s this kind of crap that makes an F-150 look so much better.


12 posted on 09/21/2011 11:06:13 AM PDT by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: American Quilter

Oops, sorry for the double post.


13 posted on 09/21/2011 11:07:14 AM PDT by American Quilter (aka American Hobbit)
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To: Cheapskate

the dealer knows how to disable, especially near the body shop


14 posted on 09/21/2011 11:08:39 AM PDT by advertising guy (the U.S.A. is # 1 in the world in collective son of a bitches)
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To: ShadowAce
And now a word from all those supporters of Perry who cited the "opt out" provision in his executive order. :-}

Perhaps though, there are "opt outs" and then there are OPT OUT"S?

15 posted on 09/21/2011 11:09:11 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Made In The USA

you can order one just like ya want w/o ever havin OnStar installed


16 posted on 09/21/2011 11:09:53 AM PDT by advertising guy (the U.S.A. is # 1 in the world in collective son of a bitches)
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To: MichaelP

This is bs. It’s like yr Apple phn tracking you. Didn’t work for them an they pulled it. We are not Europeans. If GM continues with this, expect to see their lots full of cars and pickups. Americans even the leftest will not be tracked like a pet


17 posted on 09/21/2011 11:10:01 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: jwalsh07

Pretty soon we’ll be automatically signed up for everything by the GubMint and will have to “opt out” of everything.

And whoever the GOP prez candidate is will say it was all a simple mistake. (sorry you lost your freedoms, better luck next time. I promise it won’t happend again...)


18 posted on 09/21/2011 11:13:28 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: WOBBLY BOB

:-}


19 posted on 09/21/2011 11:15:59 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: ShadowAce
I can how this can be used against you the driver nine ways to Sunday.

Way number 1... You get in an accident that any officer arriving at the scene can quickly determine is not your fault. The Insurer of the person who hit you obtains the OnStar data on your driving habits and everything you did leading up to the accident including your speed, and overturns the officers ruling in court and now you share the fault.

20 posted on 09/21/2011 11:17:30 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: advertising guy

Just because the blue button is not there does not mean the car does not have it, nor does it mean it’t not equipped with a black box that records accident information.

government and insurance are forcing this on people. I suspect it will not be an item you can disable with out heavy modifications to the cars computer systems. GM is known for tying everything so tightly together you can’t simply replace the radio let along part of the computer system.


21 posted on 09/21/2011 11:20:52 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: cableguymn

all true but the on point comment is still applicable..OnStar is an autonomous electronic device that presently in not integral with the black box for the simple reason of patent, trademark, and marketing propriatary laws and costs

so far............


22 posted on 09/21/2011 11:26:57 AM PDT by advertising guy (the U.S.A. is # 1 in the world in collective son of a bitches)
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To: NavyCanDo

google freedom of information and OnStar in California cases to see precidents....Deep into some of this paper trail OnStar years ago admitted the could listen record and analyze


23 posted on 09/21/2011 11:29:15 AM PDT by advertising guy (the U.S.A. is # 1 in the world in collective son of a bitches)
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To: ShadowAce

so my 2004 tahoe has this onstar crap, haven’t used it. Are they gonna start collecting data on the old cars too? or does this just apply to newer models.


24 posted on 09/21/2011 11:32:58 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (I like it that FR still spell checks "obama")
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To: ShadowAce
in a policy change the company will start collecting data from drivers even if they haven't signed up for the service.

Paging George Orwell!

25 posted on 09/21/2011 11:34:19 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: CJ Wolf

That’s my question as well. Is my ‘02 Chevy vulnerable to this?


26 posted on 09/21/2011 11:35:54 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: MichaelP
How to totally disable OnStar.
27 posted on 09/21/2011 11:46:57 AM PDT by Rio
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To: MichaelP

Not me. I’ll keep driving my 87 and 91 vehicles.


28 posted on 09/21/2011 11:48:27 AM PDT by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: ShadowAce

OnStar is setting up a billion dollar a year industry.

Trying to “prove” a turd is really a sculpture in crystal glass by handing you a polishing rag does not pass the smell test.

It’s gonna smell like a turd. Because that is what it is.

Ask yourself who or what will pay good money for the info?

Something or someone that can MAKE money from the info.


29 posted on 09/21/2011 11:51:57 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: ShadowAce

This is why I don’t buy a GM, was never a fan of the onstar and I got a car which did not have a built in GPS.


30 posted on 09/21/2011 11:51:57 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: NavyCanDo
Way number 1... You get in an accident that any officer arriving at the scene can quickly determine is not your fault. The Insurer of the person who hit you obtains the OnStar data on your driving habits and everything you did leading up to the accident including your speed, and overturns the officers ruling in court and now you share the fault.

Works the other way too, of course. You could get vindicated by the electronics when the officer decides it's your fault.

Not that I'm supporting this. The owner should make an informed decision to opt in, not have a decision without his input made by some corporate bureaucrat.

31 posted on 09/21/2011 12:01:31 PM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: ShadowAce

I bought a used truck that has OnStar, but it is not activated. What number do I call to make sure it is not tracking me?


32 posted on 09/21/2011 12:07:14 PM PDT by Defiant (Calling all citizens from all over the world, this is Captain America calling.)
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To: ShadowAce

I can buy a nice 1958 or later automobile, rebuilt to be better than new at Carlisle Pa. fall Carlisle.for $20,000 or less and when I sell it get mostof my money back.

No computer to mess with, big car, fun to drive, and have great times with other enthusiasts.


33 posted on 09/21/2011 12:40:25 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: MichaelP
Guess I’ll unplug some wires...

What are you doing DAVE?!


34 posted on 09/21/2011 12:45:48 PM PDT by ToxicMich (PLEASE LEAVE THIS SPACE BLANK)
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To: arthurus

ditto.


35 posted on 09/21/2011 12:59:11 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: cableguymn

I will stick with old cars. Eventually, I suppose, every car will have to have the tracking equipment installed and functioning to get licensed or pass inspections.


36 posted on 09/21/2011 1:00:49 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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Police State.


37 posted on 09/21/2011 1:02:37 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Made In The USA

“Thanks GM, I keep looking at the new Camaro.. but it’s this kind of crap that makes an F-150 look so much better.”

Check out the new Shelby GT500 or F-150 Raptor.


38 posted on 09/21/2011 1:03:46 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ShadowAce

Eventually we will have to file travel plans every time we leave the local area or be stopped for investigation when we go out of area. The USSSA will not come by violent revolution. We, as a people, are pouring it down on ourselves every time we vote.


39 posted on 09/21/2011 1:04:02 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: commish
tenticles

Tentacles or testicles?

40 posted on 09/21/2011 1:06:14 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: commish

Tiny tents?


41 posted on 09/21/2011 1:09:30 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: SVTCobra03

Have had 2 Mustangs in the past (’66 1/2 and an 81) and neglected to include a Mustang on the wishlist. The Shelby and Raptor though... drool.


42 posted on 09/21/2011 2:59:34 PM PDT by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: Made In The USA

Looks like when I trade in my 2008 HHR I will go back to Ford.


43 posted on 09/21/2011 3:17:36 PM PDT by jrcats (Justice is blind and deaf in Florida.)
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To: ShadowAce; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
Good info for the privacy oriented.



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
44 posted on 09/21/2011 9:04:45 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: cableguymn
>>>>>>>I suspect it will not be an item you can disable with out heavy modifications to the cars computer systems.<<<<<

No need to disable. You can jam it with a device costing $30. Truck drivers are already doing it.

45 posted on 09/21/2011 11:02:50 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: DTA

what kind of “truck” would need this? I don’t think onstar is on anything heavier than a 1 ton pickup/cube van.


46 posted on 09/22/2011 8:40:09 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: ShadowAce

Government Motors changing their tune:
http://media.gm.com/content/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2011/Sep/0927_onstar


47 posted on 09/27/2011 10:33:13 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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