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My own humble opinion about the debate... and yours?
dangus vanity ^ | 9-22-11 | Dangus

Posted on 09/22/2011 8:12:40 PM PDT by dangus

Newt Gingrich won again. I'm actually starting to get excited for him. In fact, if Sarah Palin doesn't run, I'm going to have to consider him, in spite of his personal life. He came off as the smartest, most capable guy in the room, but also, again, the most feisty and courageous.

Michelle Bachmann continues to fade into the background, despite explaining her Gardasil comments. Much better than the last two debates.

Herman Cain gave a great performance, a huge improvement over a couple debates ago when he was a non-factor. I think his 9-9-9 is idiotic, since a sales tax is BOTH regressive and crushes spending, which might have been a plus in 2005, but is a killer to hopes of an economic recovery. But his *performance* was strong.

Rick Perry was absolutely terrible. He was so stiff, he looked as stiff as Charles Krauthammer and as propped up as Mike Dukakis, and so incapable of annunicating his attacks on Romney that they fell apart with a simple denial by Romney. His answers about illegal immigration were complete crap, forcing him to run away from Rick Santorum's painfully simple question.

Romney in contrast played a game of "I'll deny this, but I'll admit this," openly acknowledging that there's stuff in his past that people will have problems with, but denying each of Perry's specifics. To me, his admissions in general to unpopular stances, but denials of specific accusations by Perry actually made his specific denials credible, and Perry seem weak.

Santorum was excellent, second only to Gingrich in his sharpness and boldness. Too bad he's unelectable, but he actually started to seem vice presidential to me.

How can Ron Paul top siding with Ahmadinejab? How about making the US into the Soviet Union and the Mexican border with the Iron Curtain? Despicable. Loathesome. Insane.

Gary Johnson came off as the credible libertarian candidate. An awkward delivery style, but he avoided the bizarre statements and embarrassing positions of Ron Paul.

Jon Hunstman quit attacking Republicans and actually started to sound like one. Not a bad talker, but too much like Romney. Not at all because they're both Mormons.

The big winner: Newt Gingrich, with Mitt Romney, Herman Cain and Rick Santorum being strong. Johnson takes the libertarian title.

The big loser: Rick Perry actually manages to top Ron Paul in offending the most people, by calling opposing giving special $100,000 tuition breaks to illegal aliens, "heartless."

Still waiting for Sarah.


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1 posted on 09/22/2011 8:12:45 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

The real loser was Fox News. What a pathetic format.


2 posted on 09/22/2011 8:14:30 PM PDT by mort56
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To: mort56

Yeah, I think it was produced by the same idiots that came up with the voodoo World Series coverage.


3 posted on 09/22/2011 8:15:42 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Newt and Cain were both outstanding. MB and RS made me like them even less. Romney was smarmy. I wouldn’t buy a car from the guy. Perry was really off his game...he needs alot of work! I support him but he needs to get some practice in, quick. Nobody else on the stage matters enough to mention.


4 posted on 09/22/2011 8:16:03 PM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: dangus

What did Gingrich say that Megan Kelly said was the best of the night?

Someone phoned me so I missed part of this.


5 posted on 09/22/2011 8:16:10 PM PDT by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: mort56

Agreed.


6 posted on 09/22/2011 8:17:05 PM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: mort56

yep.

fox news lost control of the debate.


7 posted on 09/22/2011 8:17:12 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: dangus

Why wont Paul go to the dem party were he belongs? He is aggravating more each day, dottering old fool.


8 posted on 09/22/2011 8:18:17 PM PDT by svcw (It is who I am, it is what I do.)
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To: dangus

There is no way I am voting for a RINO.


9 posted on 09/22/2011 8:19:29 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: dangus

Still waiting for Sarah.


10 posted on 09/22/2011 8:19:30 PM PDT by frankenMonkey (By God, we will not squander what has been given us!)
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To: dangus

Cain. Sorry he’s not even a longshot.


11 posted on 09/22/2011 8:19:36 PM PDT by umgud
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To: dangus

This concludes for me, Sarah Palin is the answer no one on the stage tonight has the plan. Oh sure, tonight once again, they are like rabid dogs trying to attack each other, point fingers, and like Obama, have no plan.

Sarah does.


12 posted on 09/22/2011 8:19:52 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: mort56
Perry/Romney....could you really tell the difference?

Perry's stamina issues both physically and mentally again remain a challenge for him. He does not take spotlight very well and rightly so, he has way to many skeletons to carry the TeaParty Torch.

Romney was right in closing saying things about him to some would make him unelectable is correct and prophetic.

This debate tonight opened up the field....eliminated in my opinion Perry and Bachmann and sets Romney up for another fail.

Cain won the debate hands down.

13 posted on 09/22/2011 8:20:01 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: dangus

I’ve been saying for a long time that Newt needs to be the 45th president’s chief of staff. Now I’m thinking he ought to be the veep. I truly appreciate the fact that he is focused on defeating Obama, he makes that clear every debate.

Herman, Herman, Herman....I love you man.


14 posted on 09/22/2011 8:20:31 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: dangus

Cain and Newt were the winners, and Johnson’s dog finished second.


15 posted on 09/22/2011 8:20:55 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: dangus
IMHO the winner of tonight's debate was the same one who won the first two debates.

The one who stayed on the sidelines, keeping her powder dry... watching while all the GOP midgets kick each other in the shins.

16 posted on 09/22/2011 8:20:55 PM PDT by sklar
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To: dangus
Good analysis. Mine—>Newt was best. Perry lost big time. Romney gained. Cain is like by all, but will not win. Others need to go away. Looking forward to Palin getting in, assuming she does. I think the contrast will be remarkable.
17 posted on 09/22/2011 8:20:55 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Aria

Oh, that was Megan Kelly. I was wondering what Christina Applegate was doing hosting the debates. HHOK. I’m not sure what she was referring to.


18 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:03 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Can’t argue with your assessment. Perry is boxed in by the tuition problem. The majority of R primary voters are opposed to this, but the Texas legislature overwhelmingly voted for it so it was not prudent at the time to veto it as he had to run for governor and needed Hispanic votes. Just as Romney felt he had to support State sponsored health insurance as the governor of the most liberal of liberal states.
Santorum is forceful and knowledgable on many fronts and Newt would be formidable if not for his moral and personal failings.
Romney is the most “presidential” in style and appearance and will likely be the one standing at the end. Romney/Santorum .... I could live with that!


19 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:03 PM PDT by Froggie (uires)
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To: pgkdan

Agree. Really liked Newt and Cain but Newt is too cozy with the left for me. Remember the climate change ad with Pelosi? I like Cain, then Perry, Bachmann....


20 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:11 PM PDT by bluerose (Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm! Rush Hudson Limbaugh)
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21 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:14 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: dangus

Can’t argue with your assessment. Perry is boxed in by the tuition problem. The majority of R primary voters are opposed to this, but the Texas legislature overwhelmingly voted for it so it was not prudent at the time to veto it as he had to run for governor and needed Hispanic votes. Just as Romney felt he had to support State sponsored health insurance as the governor of the most liberal of liberal states.
Santorum is forceful and knowledgable on many fronts and Newt would be formidable if not for his moral and personal failings.
Romney is the most “presidential” in style and appearance and will likely be the one standing at the end. Romney/Santorum .... I could live with that!


22 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:14 PM PDT by Froggie (uires)
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To: Aria

Can any of them actually beat Obama? Ron Paul is Wally Cox/Kuchinch lite. Gingrich would be a great candidate but he is damaged goods. Name recognition hurts most of the others. Romney is too liberal...period. Perry’s hair is smashing his brain and he is toast. We had better get it right or Obama will be re-elected.


23 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:38 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: pgkdan

Your assessment matches mine 100%


24 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:38 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Aria

Oh, that was Megan Kelly. I was wondering what Christina Applegate was doing hosting the debates. (Samantha WHO?) HHOK. I’m not sure what she was referring to.


25 posted on 09/22/2011 8:21:49 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Frankly, not worth watching. I’ll wait and see if Sarah Palin announces. Otherwise, no relief in sight.


26 posted on 09/22/2011 8:22:08 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: dangus

I didn’t watch it (will catch the replay) but from reading posts from a diversity of people on Facebook and Twitter, most seem to like Cain, Perry, and Newt’s responses. Even Paultards were facepalming his answers and most of them were shifting to Johnson. Bachmann seems to be fading, people weren’t even mentioning her.


27 posted on 09/22/2011 8:22:18 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: dangus
Right on the Perry implosion. Color him gone.

Newt is still the smartest guy on the stage. People forget he was the one who engineered the Revolution of 1994, the first Republican takeover of the House in some 40 years. Although it went astray as time went by, it was an historic achievement.

Purists will continue to sputter about his personal life but by next year most voters will be in such a desperate state they won't care. Newt gets it and that's what will count.

28 posted on 09/22/2011 8:23:03 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: bluerose
Remember the climate change ad with Pelosi?

The bumbling and fumbling by the "front-runners" is pushing that ad into oblivion from where I stand.

Gingrich-Cain '12.

29 posted on 09/22/2011 8:23:14 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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To: Freddd

You know, I have to agree with you. This is the first debate of 2012 I’ve watched. If Palin’s been watching these, I think she knows there’s still plenty of time to jump in. Her poll numbers are going up......she might just be the shrewdest politician of our time. And I don’t mean that in a bad way.


30 posted on 09/22/2011 8:23:47 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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>>What did Gingrich say that Megan Kelly said was the best of the night?

>>>Someone phoned me so I missed part of this.

Newt said when Ronald Reagan was running for the presidency, if your brother in law was unemployed, it was a Recession.

If you were unemployed, it was a Depression.

When Jimmy Carter became unemployed, it was A Recovery!!


31 posted on 09/22/2011 8:24:05 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Froggie

Wait until the others hit Perry with his attempt at state taking over land by eminent domain for a Trans Texas corridor...another big government non conservative approach... couple with HPV ... he can’t defend those as anything but government overreach...


32 posted on 09/22/2011 8:24:12 PM PDT by Froggie (uires)
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To: Aria

Can any of them actually beat Obama? Ron Paul is Wally Cox/Kuchinch lite. Gingrich would be a great candidate but he is damaged goods. Name recognition hurts most of the others. Romney is too liberal...period. Perry’s hair is smashing his brain and he is toast. We had better get it right or Obama will be re-elected.


33 posted on 09/22/2011 8:24:44 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: dangus

Newt of course won. Not even close. What a waste.

Perry’s done over the tuition for illegals issue and his BS about it being for kiddies when it’s actually for young adults - hiss.

Santorum tore Perry up.

Format was gay.


34 posted on 09/22/2011 8:24:45 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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I only saw the 2nd half. Perry stumbled on his attack about which Myth showed up. He should quit using pre-written lines. He’s much better just talking straight than trying to sound clever.

Gary Johnson’s joke about his neighbor’s dog was the best line of the debate. He seems to be Ron Paul lite.


35 posted on 09/22/2011 8:25:21 PM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen andY let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Newt is very high on my list, so is Cain.


36 posted on 09/22/2011 8:26:20 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Froggie

Don’t make it like Perry was dragged into the Texas DREAM Act. He was a champion of it, and just about every other sop to illegal immigration he could invent.

* Opposes the border fence

* Opposes E-Verify

* Opposes English as the language of instruction in the classroom

In other words, he doesn’t want to enforce immigration externally or internally, and he doesn’t want to integrate those who do come. I’ll admit I was thrilled at how Perry came off stiff, bumbling and incoherent, because I absolutely will not vote for Obama, and I absolutely would hate to have to vote for an un-American traitor like Perry.


37 posted on 09/22/2011 8:26:28 PM PDT by dangus
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Cain won. I never disliked him, but I really like him now.

As far as the electibles, Romney defended himself well enough on Romneycare, which is a shame. Perry defended Gardasil well enough. I doubt we hear about it again. Unfortunately, Perry stinks at debating and will never be able to make the other 49 states understand why Texas can't just alienate the Hispanic voters. I think he bought Hispanic votes by not trying to veto the in-state tuition. Pandering? Okay. Whatever. I'm glad he did it because we would have a Democrat governor if he hadn't. That's what Rush was saying. If we lose Texas (by alienating the Hispanic vote), we lose the country. That is very hard to explain to people that don't or won't understand, and it may well finish him. We may have a President Romney after all.
38 posted on 09/22/2011 8:27:10 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: dangus

A humble vanity ?

about pontificating politicians?

I think at least two of the best debaters are not the best candidates,


39 posted on 09/22/2011 8:27:39 PM PDT by ThomasThomas ( Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we can identify their corporate sponsors.)
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To: Cicero

With the economic news worsening, we’re going to need someone who will make Ronald Reagan look timid. The next president is going to have a terrible time of it.


40 posted on 09/22/2011 8:28:02 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: dangus

If my federal income tax drops to 9%, AND my capital gains tax drops to zero, AND my tax on dividends drops to zero according to Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, my purchasing power just tripled based on discretionary money available to me.

So I would be thrilled to pay 9% sales tax in lieu of all those other taxes going away. If this becomes law, the economic boom would be astonishing.


41 posted on 09/22/2011 8:28:03 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Peace through strength has worked better than peace via appeasement in history.)
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Romney’s immigration position is FAR more conservative than Perry’s and that for me is a big issue.


42 posted on 09/22/2011 8:28:44 PM PDT by BigMacGOP
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To: mockingbyrd

Chief of staff... very interesting proposal for what to do with Newt.


43 posted on 09/22/2011 8:28:50 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

the guy’s got great ideas and articulates them very well. I think he’d run a tight ship...learn from mistakes in the ‘90s.


44 posted on 09/22/2011 8:30:22 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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I agree Newt won the debate, but then he always does well in debates. What bothers me about him is, he is often perfectly logical and well versed. The out of the blue he totally jumps the shark and goes sit on a couch with Pelosi jawing about the evils of global warming. I just find it very hard to trust his rhetoric when his record is entirely another thing.
45 posted on 09/22/2011 8:31:40 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: federal__reserve

Bad news... you’re missing a ‘9.’


46 posted on 09/22/2011 8:31:50 PM PDT by dangus
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To: mnehring

Yes they did mention Bachmann. And the Paultards clogged the site, as usual.


47 posted on 09/22/2011 8:32:13 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you deal making THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’m for Palin, but keeping an open mind on Perry if it comes to that.

I watched two minutes of the debate. Happened to catch Perry talking about Romney’s flip-flopping. Perry was not doing so well with it.

“So he was for gun control before...after...he was for..against it. And before Obamacare he, before he was for it, and then after he was against it, and ...” (Well - SOMETHING like that - it was all messed up.)

Too bad he couldn’t have caught himself and said something like “I’m sorry, but he flip-flops so much it is REALLY hard to keep straight”.


48 posted on 09/22/2011 8:32:23 PM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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To: unkus

I don’t think so. Rip socialism out by the roots.


49 posted on 09/22/2011 8:33:02 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Newt is still the smartest guy on the stage. People forget he was the one who engineered the Revolution of 1994, the first Republican takeover of the House in some 40 years. Although it went astray as time went by, it was an historic achievement.

Remember why it went astray, though. Newt is an idea guy. He didn't have the focus or attention span to consolidate the Revolution of 1994. He got bored and lost interest in administering the Revolution -- and that's when he got into "trouble".

Newt's not a CEO. But he is somebody you want in the "kitchen cabinet".

50 posted on 09/22/2011 8:33:16 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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