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To: SargeK
"They went in there and did in fact find stolen air force military property that was stolen from Nellis Air Force Base," said Linda Card with the Air Force OSI.

Metro lent a hand, as well as the FBI, ATF, and ICE. The recovered material would not have posed a danger to citizens, a spokesperson from the Air Force said.

Was it a government owned chair or furniture? Some Air Force logo?

If this was nothing that would pose a danger to anyone, why such a massive, dangerous armed raid?

If this was nothing that would pose a danger to anyone, why do they not state what this alleged item is?

17 posted on 09/23/2011 1:55:41 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Like I said, we can debate the paramilitary tactics.

Plus, the proper way to work it is for the UASF investigators to provide the information to the civilian law enforcement, who would swear out the search warrant(s) and conduct the raid.

I have worked similar cases. That’s how it can and should be done. The USAF can come along to ID the items we find in the execution of the warrant, but they have no arrest powers unless the person(s) being arrested are subject to UCMJ jursidiction. However, once I (civilian police) have them, the military personnel suspects do get turned over to the military jurisdiction.

This is such a poor news reporting job, we can’t know from what is presented here if the USAF did in fact follow this procedure, or if they maybe violated posse commitatus.

We can’t tell and shouldn’t make assumptions is all I am suggesting.


18 posted on 09/23/2011 2:05:36 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: dragnet2
Was it a government owned chair or furniture? Some Air Force logo?

I'm betting it was the MREs. Easy to steal, easy to sell.

20 posted on 09/23/2011 2:35:53 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: dragnet2; SargeK

>> “Sources close to the investigation told 8 News NOW that FBI officials and SWAT teams seized guns, body armor and MREs, or ready-to-eat meals during the raid.” <<

Then from SargeK’s linked article:

>> “”It did not include weapons, guns, explosives of any kind, bombs, nothing like that. It was basic stolen military property,” Card said.”<<

So I assume that the warrant specified the guns that were seized. You know, according to that pesky old Fourth Amendment thingie: “but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

I sure hope the shop owner has his lawyer get a copy of the warrant and the seized inventory and steps on whichever AF or police officers d!cks who violated his civil rights under color of law.

The only way to make them accountable is to hold them accountable and file the lawsuits against not only the agency, but personally and severally against the officers violating the laws. Either do the job right or get your ass AND assets tied up in court. A good cop wouldn’t have any heartburn about that.


25 posted on 09/23/2011 3:30:12 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: dragnet2

If someone steals stealth tech or other exotic engine tech, I can see why the over-reaction using overwhelming force.


38 posted on 09/25/2011 12:14:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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