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Is it ok to let a few hundred people determine who the Republican candidate is?(vanity)
9-26-11

Posted on 09/26/2011 6:18:51 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch

I know it stinks to have libs cross-over to push McCain during the primaries, but is it any different to stack the deck in a straw poll? (can straw polls e stacked?) I admit to not knowing how a straw poll is conducted but i read where Rick Perry had paid for several hundred people's breakfasts but it did him no good. Are meals a part of a straw poll?are there speeches? Carnival rides? Free parking? Coat checks? Herman Cain seems to be a decent fellow but is he being chosen the right way?


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1 posted on 09/26/2011 6:18:57 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
Herman Cain seems to be a decent fellow but is he being chosen the right way?

Herman Cain didn't buy me breakfast, or anything else. I haven't watched any of the so-called debates. But I have heard him interviewed a number of times and I like him.

ML/NJ

2 posted on 09/26/2011 6:22:37 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: InvisibleChurch
Herman Cain is closer to grass roots conservatism than any of the current crop of candidates except, possibly, Michele Bachmann, to whom he is about equal.

It is pretty obvious who the establishment guys are, two dueling flavors named Mutt and Prick.

3 posted on 09/26/2011 6:23:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: InvisibleChurch

If a straw poll is packable, Ron Paul will win them. lol.


4 posted on 09/26/2011 6:23:38 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: InvisibleChurch

A straw poll is merely an indication of a canidates particualr strength at any given minute. It does not choose him or her for anything. It merely like any other poll, a snap shot in time. No one is “being choosen” by a straw poll.

That is what the actual primary elections are for.


5 posted on 09/26/2011 6:26:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: InvisibleChurch

What is the right way? Maybe it had something to do with his message that warranted 7 standing ovations. Parry and Romney come from the same cloth. Establishment politicians. The tea party spoke loud and clear when the voted for Cain. Now this is change we Can believe in.


6 posted on 09/26/2011 6:27:30 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Vigilanteman

I discount the Mackinac poll because its taken by a very limited number of political activists who are genetically orientated to vote Romney.

That said, I think my fellow Michiganders are a little tired of seeing candidates step over us to get to the perceived power brokers. Its going to take a candidate who gets out and spends some serious time among the folks.


7 posted on 09/26/2011 6:28:49 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Nope, it was the unblinking eye of the camera and Rick Perry's own voice that did him in.

All we had to do was watch him amd listen to him and I don't care how many breakfasts he got, nobody wanted him to be president anymore.

But that's what these debates are for, isn't it?

Cain won because he was honest, solid and real. No poofy hair, no lying excuses, no goofy isolationism, not a speck of RINO. Isn't that what we all want?

8 posted on 09/26/2011 6:30:16 AM PDT by Chainmail
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To: InvisibleChurch
I doubt any thinking person is swayed by straw polls. Everyone knows they are only a measure of organizational strength within the state, and have no bearing on the electability of the candidates.

Bachmann won the Iowa straw poll (arguably the best known and most influential) and she is just about to disappear from the race. Ron Paul has won a couple and he isn't going anywhere.

I'm glad Herman Cain won the Florida straw poll, but I don't think it is indicative of his future success as a candidate.
9 posted on 09/26/2011 6:30:26 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Why is Perry being written about as though his campaign is on the ropes?


10 posted on 09/26/2011 6:31:36 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (welcome dies irae)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Herman Cain doesn’t have a “few hundred” supporters, he has hundreds of thousands. He has over 100,000 volunteers alone.


11 posted on 09/26/2011 6:35:04 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: InvisibleChurch
The Florida straw poll attendees were GOP activists who applied in advance and were selected by lot. On the whole, the straw poll voters were representative of the GOP base.

If the Florida results seem odd, consider that straw polls reflect not just the composition of the group but also the events immediately surrounding the vote.

Perry did poorly in the debates, did not stay and campaign after that, hired numerous former aides of the discredited RINO Charlie Crist, and, worst of all, in the debate echoed the liberal attack line against conservatives on the immigration issue. Romney is not fully trusted by GOP conservatives due to Romneycare and other flip-flops.

Meanwhile, Cain was solid in the debate, gave a great speech that was five by five on conservative themes, and campaigned hard for votes.

12 posted on 09/26/2011 6:36:32 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: InvisibleChurch

I really like Cain and hope he gets more questions at debates and is able to prove himself more and more. If He doesn’t then so be it. We should not write him off.

Perry has not impressed me at all.

Romney is a No.

Bachman is not gaining traction at all.

Palin is not in it yet. And I could honestly see her endorsing Cain.


13 posted on 09/26/2011 6:37:19 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: cripplecreek
Its going to take a candidate who gets out and spends some serious time among the folks.

Gee, I hope it takes more than what a community organizer does.
14 posted on 09/26/2011 6:39:56 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: justice14
And I could honestly see her endorsing Cain.

On what grounds? Because he scored high in a Florida poll?
15 posted on 09/26/2011 6:44:10 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: InvisibleChurch

It’s not ok but this is one voted on measure of popularity among many to come; it’s an indicator, not a pick. Would this question even be asked if Perry or Romney had won the straw poll? They are the media/GOP elite picks and how would that be that OK? If Cain takes off and gains momentum then great and I would be more happy about that than having the pick of the party “leaders” and the press shoved up my backside like they did in 2008. The primary process is a mess and controlled by the media and the national, state, and local GOP power players, not the voters. If the power players don’t like you then guess what; you won’t get money and support and will be left hanging in the breeze. That’s how we keep ending up with democrat Ben Nelson in NE. He receives tacit and sometimes explicit support from the “far smarter” GOP party leaders although I don’t think that will happen this time around.


16 posted on 09/26/2011 6:48:45 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: presently no screen name

Actually, if she does not run I could see her doing that and it is the right thing to do. Palin or Cain are infinitely more representative of conservatism than the GOP-elite picked mitt and twit. I like them both and would prefer a ticket with both of them on it in either combination.


17 posted on 09/26/2011 6:52:48 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Why is Perry being written about as though his campaign is on the ropes?

Because to do so is good for socialism.

18 posted on 09/26/2011 6:56:40 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: InvisibleChurch

These are not the primaries. Still have a long ways to go folks.


19 posted on 09/26/2011 6:57:15 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: MNJohnnie
That is what the actual primary elections are for.

Unfortunately the primaries only show how popular a candidate is in a particular region. In this case the rest of us end up being stuck with them.

20 posted on 09/26/2011 6:58:41 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: InvisibleChurch

I don’t think a straw poll determines anything other than one candidate’s popularity at any given moment.

Cain had outstanding performances at the debate previous to this and I think it stuck in folks minds...he impressed me.

A few weeks ago I had a conversation with a very liberal friend...she’s a dyed in the wool Dem for many years with family who are Democratic State lawmakers.

We talked about the Republican debates, and she had watched all of them, and her remark to me was that she was impressed with Cain. I asked her why and she said his answers were clear and made sense and he didn’t seem like the normal politician with his finger to the wind..trying to always say the right thing.


21 posted on 09/26/2011 6:59:25 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, I was disgusted to see that Mittzy won the so-called straw poll in Michigan. Hey, they didn’t ask me.

I am VERY tired of getting stuck with the elitist/Democrat’s choice.


22 posted on 09/26/2011 7:01:30 AM PDT by madison10 (The Pizza Man for President!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

The messages at the debate and straw poll were basically the same, but they came from vastly different messengers.

The people who are being dismissive of Herman Cain, or counting him out because they are looking at the current polls, should keep in mind that at this time four years ago, most people were wondering whether it would be Fred Thompson or Rudy that would take on Hillary.

Now that Trump has gotten people to start thinking that maybe we need someone who understands the economy and job creation, a lot of people will vote for Herman Cain who wouldn’t have before.

Herman has the right positions on everything important, without some of the HUGE baggage that most of the politicians have.

And being so open about his WHOLE life will endear him to a lot of people who may still be stinging from getting the wool pulled over their eyes by the teleprompter reader.

His positive intensity score has been the highest every week, until the week Rick Perry announced, and Perry got a little bump - then Herman was back on top the next.

I expect that he will be back on top of that one soon, as more people find out about about Perry’s Hispanic pandering.

Closer look at Perry = less support.

Closer look at Herman = more support.

Right now Perry is the shiny new penny, but people are going to start taking a closer look at him.

As people start looking at the other way of looking at “the two man race,” the Positive Intensivity scores on Gallup, Herman is the only one who really has it all.

Remember, talk is cheap for politicians at election time.


23 posted on 09/26/2011 7:05:19 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: presently no screen name

No. Because she will wait it out like she has been doing. She has said before that she won’t run if she feels that someone represents her in the race (as a conservative). It was just a hunch.

Like I said before, there is a long way to go and anything can happen. Imagine if Palin won FL with the same percentages. People would be shouting that to death. Cain won, and won by a lot. Let the process work. If He doesn’t gain support, He will faulter. If he does, He won’t. Don’t act like this isn’t important, because if Palin would have polled the same way, people would be screaming for joy and bemoaning all the people who detracted from the win.

It’s a win. Treat it as such.


24 posted on 09/26/2011 7:05:54 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: InvisibleChurch

Why is Perry being written about as though his campaign is on the ropes?


Do you think Perry’s campaign isn’t on the ropes?


25 posted on 09/26/2011 7:07:34 AM PDT by deport
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To: InvisibleChurch

“Is it ok to let a few hundred people determine who the Republican candidate is?”

Is it ok to let the establishment and the media choose who the Republican candidate is? (It’s got to be Perry or Romney!)

I just believe that Cain is the more solid conservative candidate and I like him better as a person.

The reason I’ve chosen to seriously support Cain after the FSP was that I was part of the ‘but he can’t get elected’ problem. Once I saw that he had a shot, I heard the arguments about creating a self-perpetuating prophecy with my bad attitude and decided to make a commitment.

I firmly believe that the ‘he can’t get elected’ attitude is what gives us RINOS in election after election.

I’ve already promised myself that I’d never hold my nose again - now I’ve found someone who I believe in and I’m not going to settle for anything less.

I never believed in Perry. He’s crossed conservative lines too many times for my comfort.


26 posted on 09/26/2011 7:13:16 AM PDT by Marie (Rock you like a Herman-CAIN!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
A straw poll is quite different from a primary or general election.

I'd like to see primaries in all states held on the same day, and only people registered for a particular party able to vote in that party's primary. Seems to me that would save us all a lot of grief.

27 posted on 09/26/2011 7:27:22 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Straw polls aren't binding. They are no more important than the Homecoming Queen vote at your local high school; they just show us who's popular at the moment. There's nothing fair or unfair about them.

Don't worry so much [there'll be plenty of time for that next year].

28 posted on 09/26/2011 7:33:07 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Sudetenland
Iowa straw poll (arguably the best known and most influential)

Actually the Iowa poll is open to anyone who buys a ticket. so it should not be considered influential at all. FLA straw poll is actual GOP activists so it cannot be spammed by non GOP voters bused in by campaigns.

29 posted on 09/26/2011 7:51:25 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Chainmail

YES!!!!!!A Thousand times YES!!!!


30 posted on 09/26/2011 7:51:32 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: InvisibleChurch

Because Perry himself made a big deal about it. He should of kept his mouth shut.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64327.html


31 posted on 09/26/2011 7:53:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: skeeter

Yes, that is a very good point. Really should have regional primaries rotating which region goes first every 4 years. The current stystem is stupid.


32 posted on 09/26/2011 7:55:05 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: rogue yam
Because to do so is good for socialism.

Actually the reason Perry is in trouble is because his campaign is so knee jerk arrogant and unthinkingly stupid they think anyone who criticizes him is "the enemy.

Odd, that is exactly the SAME tactic the Leftist propaganda bots have been trying to to use against Conservatives for decades. When Conservatives see someone supposedly on our side using the same tactics, it makes us wonder what they are trying to hide.

Remarkable moronic campaign tactics for anyone to scream abuse at people then turn around and ask those same people you are abusing to vote for your chosen candidate.

33 posted on 09/26/2011 8:01:17 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Don’t worry boys. The lib media is well on it’s way to picking the GOP stooge they know will lose to this commie prick! So just lie back, close your eyes and enjoy it! Sarcasm off!


34 posted on 09/26/2011 8:03:11 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Some straw polls (like Iowa) are bussed in. Some (like Michigan) the voters or more often the candidates have to buy tickets to vote.

There are a few, like Florida, who have several days of candidates campaigning and things like Perry’s breakfast (they all do it), but the voters are delegates.

Straw polls like other polls can be stacked (esp internet polls), however Florida is much closer to a real vote.


35 posted on 09/26/2011 9:21:03 AM PDT by reaganaut (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Because it is. Last Wednesday, I would have voted for Perry (albeit grudgingly), by Saturday I was relieved and overjoyed Cain won. And I’m by far not the only one, either in my town or here on FR

Talked to a friend this morning who is from Texas who had dealings with Perry and they said he is not what this country needs at all.


36 posted on 09/26/2011 9:25:30 AM PDT by reaganaut (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: Marie

The reason I’ve chosen to seriously support Cain after the FSP was that I was part of the ‘but he can’t get elected’ problem. Once I saw that he had a shot, I heard the arguments about creating a self-perpetuating prophecy with my bad attitude and decided to make a commitment.

I firmly believe that the ‘he can’t get elected’ attitude is what gives us RINOS in election after election.

I’ve already promised myself that I’d never hold my nose again - now I’ve found someone who I believe in and I’m not going to settle for anything less.

- - - - - -
Exactly. I was a naysayer because I liked Cain but was worried about no traction, Florida can change that and I’m not holding my nose and voting for a RINO. I’m backing Cain no matter what. The more I read, the more I like him.


37 posted on 09/26/2011 9:34:24 AM PDT by reaganaut (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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