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No-contact order over a student's rosary
http://mynorthwest.com/646/549684/Nocontact-order-over-a-students-rosary ^ | 9/26/2011 | Linda Thomas

Posted on 09/26/2011 2:15:27 PM PDT by Morgana

A high school student from Eastern Washington got a restraining order against his principal, after claiming the school leader threatened to use a pocketknife and to cut off a rosary the teen wears around his neck.

18-year-old Roel Corral, a student at Kiona-Benton City High School, is Catholic and wears a rosary to school. He says principal Wayne Barrett told him to remove it and threatened him, according to the Tri-City Herald newspaper which has been following this story.

Corral won a court hearing that ordered Barrett to stay at least 100 feet away from Corral, but earlier this week the judge's decision was modified to 25 feet on school property or at school events. The principal said the original order would have made it impossible for him to do his job.

If the principal threatened the student, which he denies, that's one issue. The question I have for you - is the principal right or wrong to ask Corral to remove a rosary from his neck? Here's the school's dress code:

(Excerpt) Read more at mynorthwest.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Local News
KEYWORDS: catholic; education; homeschooling; publicschools; rosary; schools
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1 posted on 09/26/2011 2:15:31 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana
This is so over the top I wonder if these two have ahistory of headbutting. Also, not defending the educrat’s thuggish behavior, Iknow gangs in the Yakima area have used rosaries as gang identifiers. Does anyone know if Latino bangers have started to do the same in the Spokane area?
2 posted on 09/26/2011 2:26:22 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Morgana
A rosary is not jewelry.
3 posted on 09/26/2011 2:30:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I agree. Yutes these days are more likely to think they are. They should be carried in a pocket and used in prayer.


4 posted on 09/26/2011 2:32:44 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Morgana

It does seem to fit the “Dangling chains of any kind” category.


5 posted on 09/26/2011 2:33:02 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: robowombat

This is ten miles from me; I have concluded that at some level the Rosary-necklace was intended as a gang symbol. However, the principal’s alleged threatening of actual physical violence (with the knife), if it occurred, seems to surpass the boy’s act in notoriety. I am a Catholic and pray the Rosary daily but would never think to hang it as a necklace.


6 posted on 09/26/2011 2:33:28 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Morgana
This student may or may not be a Catholic but he is definitely not devout. So I would not put this in the religious rights category.

A Rosary is not jewelry and should not be worn about the neck as a necklace. It should be carried in the pocket and be brought out for prayers and then returned to the pocket.

7 posted on 09/26/2011 2:33:43 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Morgana

Beam me up, Scottie.

When was atheism declared the Official State Non-religion in the politburo or the supreme soviet?

I mean, if we are now the USSA, let’s at least cross the t’s and dot the i’s, and do it by the book.


8 posted on 09/26/2011 2:37:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Pontiac

Correct, this is not Catholic practice to wear the rosary outside, as jewelry.

But in a more general 1st Amd, sense, it is protected religious “speech.” Criminy, we now have Sikhs in the Army wearing bloody turbans.

So no way can the Official State Atheism Board rule out wearing a rosary. Unless the hijabs and turbans etc go as well.


9 posted on 09/26/2011 2:39:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: robowombat

>>>The principal said the original order would have made it impossible for him to do his job. <<<

I would think the fact that he is a moronic bully already makes it impossible for him to do his job.

I wonder what would happen if he threatened to cut off a muslim student’s head scarf?


10 posted on 09/26/2011 2:40:14 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: robowombat
I doubt if they have butted heads, robowombat. It is PC run amok in the NW. A rosary is certainly not jewelry. To some, it is a talisman of faith, love, hope--all good things. Does this school system, or the PC flakes who run it object to caps for jews, scarves/headcoverings for religions these things are a talisman/symbol for?

Establishment of a religion--I don't think so.

Now for those spacey systems that make the students dress the part and become, say, Muslims for a day to "understand" that religion, yeah!--that is Waaaaay beyond the pale.

vaudine

11 posted on 09/26/2011 2:40:22 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Travis McGee

According to whom?

Maybe not by English Catholics, yes, but different cultures have different norms wrt rosary.


12 posted on 09/26/2011 2:41:41 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Morgana
is the principal right or wrong to ask Corral to remove a rosary from his neck?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There is NO religiously, politically, culturally, or First Amendment neutral solution!

1) Removing the rosary has NON-neutral political, cultural, religious, and First Amendment and freedom of conscience consequences!

2) Allowing the rosary has non-neutral political, cultural, religious, and First Amendment and freedom of conscience consequences.

3) Both wearing and not wearing is not an option! Either choice #1 or #2 must be made.

So?....When will conservatives “get it”? A RELIGIOUSLY, POLITICALLY, and CULTURALLY NEUTRAL EDUCATION IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!

ALL GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS ARE FIRST AMENDMENT AND FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE ABOMINATION!

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing all education. Move toward complete separation of school and state.

( And Yeah! I am shouting. I am exasperated that so few conservatives “get it” or see the threat that government K-12 schooling is to our very existence as a free nation.)

13 posted on 09/26/2011 2:43:25 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Morgana

If the kid were a practicing Catholic, he would have said “Yes, sir” and put the rosary inconspicuously in his pants pocket or backpack. It is to be prayed, not warn as a personal fashion statement.


14 posted on 09/26/2011 2:44:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Damage to the Church comes not from opponents, but from uncommitted Christians. - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Travis McGee

“Criminy, we now have Sikhs in the Army wearing bloody turbans”

So. I wore a kippah if I was not otherwise covered.


15 posted on 09/26/2011 2:45:12 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: robowombat

Ki-Be is near Tri-Cities, not Spokane.
Plenty of gangs though.

This seems more an anti-religious beef than anti-gang.
Wrong crowds complaining.
(or usual suspects not)


16 posted on 09/26/2011 2:46:23 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Morgana

As a Catholic, I find it insulting to wear a rosary around the neck. I am on the Principal’s side. I hope the kid gets zero out of this.


17 posted on 09/26/2011 2:48:05 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: vaudine
I looked up the SD’s site and it does forbid caps or head coverings in classes. How yarmulke’s are treated is a mystery but it would seem the hijab would not be welcome here. I have known devout RC’s who prayed the rosary daily but they carried the rosary in their pocket and found a quiet place in the work area during lunch to conduct their orayrs. Never knew a male who wore the rosary. Ihaveknown plenty of males going back to high school who wore a cross or a St Christopher's medal on a chain under their shirt.
18 posted on 09/26/2011 2:48:28 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Could be a crucifix, not a rosary.

Reporters can’t get a single gun detail correct, it’s possible they don’t know how to to handle articles of Christianity either.


19 posted on 09/26/2011 2:50:36 PM PDT by sbMKE
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; steve86; Pontiac; Travis McGee
A rosary is not jewelry.
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It is impossible to know from the article the religious beliefs of this youth. His religion may be very syncretic ( a combination of pagan Mexican, South or Central American Indian beliefs and Catholicism.)

My husband and I speak Spanish and were asked by our church leaders to join the Spanish speaking congregation in our county. You would be **amazed** at what people believe.

20 posted on 09/26/2011 2:51:20 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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