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Don't give out cancer drugs if it's just to extend life (say experts)
Daily Mail ^ | Sept. 27, 2011 | Sophie Borland

Posted on 09/26/2011 7:06:18 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Patients with terminal cancer should not be given life-extending drugs, doctors said yesterday.

The treatments give false hope and are too costly for the public purse, they warned.

The group of 37 cancer experts, including British specialist Karol Sikora, claimed a 'culture of excess' had led doctors to 'overtreat, overdiagnose and overpromise'.

Campaigners dismissed the report, saying it was wrong to write off cancer victims.

'I would hardly call this type of treatment futile,' said Rose Woodward, of the James Whale Fund for Kidney Cancer.

The NHS spends well over £5billion annually on cancer treatments, up from £3billion in 2002.

In the journal Lancet Oncology, the expert group warned many of the costly drugs produced by manufacturers brought little value.

They said patients were offered treatment even where there was little evidence it was of use.

Instead, money should be invested in better scans and tests to determine whether a tumour is beatable, leaving 'difficult decisions' as to who gets treatment.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: cancerdrugs; ungland

1 posted on 09/26/2011 7:06:23 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A culture of death.


2 posted on 09/26/2011 7:08:23 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barry gives them $535 million and they take "the fifth" when asked where it went.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Oh my Lord, socialist medicine is so evil.

But that’s what it comes down to: There just isn’t enough of ‘other peoples’ money’ to go around.


3 posted on 09/26/2011 7:08:34 PM PDT by Marie (Rock you like a Herman-CAIN!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

BTW: What the hell is a “cancer expert”?


4 posted on 09/26/2011 7:09:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barry gives them $535 million and they take "the fifth" when asked where it went.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Another death panel.


5 posted on 09/26/2011 7:13:17 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And how will new cures be developed, then?

Well, we don’t want any of those either, too expensive.


6 posted on 09/26/2011 7:13:17 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: Free ThinkerNY

7 posted on 09/26/2011 7:14:07 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Karol Sikora,,, what if someone made a similar decision about the value of YOUR life? Bet the tune would change.

Medicine is too complicated for them so ill talk about pizza. When pizza is sold for profit, it’s everywhere, in thousands of varieties. Deep dish, thin crust, stuffed cheese crust, wood fired, whole wheat,,gluten free, you name it. Toppings? Why we got pepperoni,, and anchovie, olive, tuna, beef, 5 kinds of sausage, chicken, peppers of every sort, onions, mushrooms, 50 types of cheese. Etc,,
You want it in a sidewalk cafe? In a mall? or delivered to your house in 30 minutes. Want wings? Cokes? How about just a single slice?
What? You want it frozen to cook at home? Fine,, we got it from Totinos at 99cents, to high end from the deli to take home.
Karol Sikora, BECAUSE THERE IS MONEY TO BE MADE,, THERES A LOT OF FREAKIN PIZZA AVAILABLE!

If pizza becomes a “right”, and has a single payer,,, Pizza IMMEDIATELY becomes nothing but a cost to be reduced at every chance. This means a frozen pizza with textured soy topping on soy cheese, once a month. Maybe,,unless you are fat. Then we will deny you a pizza for your own good. *(and coincidently saving us from paying for it)
NO NATIONAL PIZZA CARE!
It’s like that,,,

See?


8 posted on 09/26/2011 7:23:25 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I tend to agree. I worked in a hospital 20 years ago and there is no worse way to die than having cancer while being incarcerated by a hospital. I remember one patient telling me it was like being burned alive 24/7 thats how bad the pain is then all the time the patients would be begging me for death, yes, begging me to kill them. No way. Yes suicide is a mortal sin but hell cant be much worse than the stuff I witnessed. The worst of all time was one woman who tried to cut the cancer from her lungs with a pocket knife thats how bad it is.


9 posted on 09/26/2011 7:24:37 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
First, do no harm.
10 posted on 09/26/2011 7:25:20 PM PDT by shove_it (Just undo it!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“What the hell is a “cancer expert?”

“EXPERT” An EX is a has been,,, and a SPURT is liquid under pressure. Like spit. “EX-PERT”


11 posted on 09/26/2011 7:25:45 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Oh, my gracious, no. Not simply to extend life on the part of a common citizen, of course not, but if the patient has some enhanced value to society, say, Party membership, why, then such measures would be not only justified, but mandatory.

Socialism is inherently totalitarian, and its adherents want nothing less than the ability to decide who lives and who dies based on their vision of a more perfect society. Control of medicine confers that ability. That is why they intend to control it.

12 posted on 09/26/2011 7:26:06 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’ve read that that treat terminal cancer patients with heroin in some countries. We don’t do that here because we’re apparently afraid they’ll become drug addicts.


13 posted on 09/26/2011 7:28:05 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well, it’s reassuring to remember that Obama said that there wouldn’t be any rationing of medical care under “his plan”.


14 posted on 09/26/2011 7:30:05 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I disagree. A right to die,, soon becomes a duty to do so. And the ones who want to fight to their last breath become greedy and selfish. And then “professionals” know they need to step in.

Medical people need to have a single focus of doing all they can to treat and relieve pain. They are not the people who should EVER be entrusted with refusing an available treatment that the patient can afford. Making government the bill payer, makes them the decider of what you get. This is FAR different from an insurance company i do not have to buy from. A company i can sue if they breach my contract.


15 posted on 09/26/2011 7:32:37 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I think everyone should get as much free healthcare as they need to keep them alive as long as possible.

Unfortunately, that scenario is an impossibility in our three-dimensional physical universe, since the availability of medical resources will never keep up with unlimited human need and demand.

That’s a fact, plain and simple. Medical care is an economic activity that does not exist in the world without an incredible amount of human capital and technology to create the resources used.

The best we can hope is for health care to be created and deployed as quickly, cheaply and efficiently impossible to the greatest possible number of people.

There is no aspect of government action that can bring that condition about, save letting human action operate in a free market.

There is an arguable role for government in enforcing some standards for safety and efficacy.

But the government should have no role whatsoever in the distribution and delivery of medical services. That’s an economic decision that can only be made by millions of people — healthcare professionals, financial experts and patients — making millions of individual decisions that are necessarily bound by the natural economic laws of scarcity, supply and demand.

People are eventually going to get sick and die of something. And whether we recognize it or not, there is a cost benefit analysis involved. There is a practical limit to how much can be spent to extend an individual sick patient’s life for an additional six months. Whether that limit is $50k, or $250k or $1mm, at some point, we have to admit that the patient’s life is not worth the expense.

That is cold, hard reality. To deny it is to jump off the cliff of delusion.

But personally, I would rather die because I can’t afford health care, than to die because some bureaucratic death panel decided that my life is no longer worth living anymore, which is incredibly dehumanizing and far too much power for any government entity to have.


16 posted on 09/26/2011 7:35:10 PM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: DesertRhino

Very nice. So nice, in fact, that libtards, democrats, socialists, marxists, union thugs, university professors, college students and even community organizers like Obama should be able to understand it.

Gracias.


17 posted on 09/26/2011 7:39:04 PM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

LOL,, Thanks! (i like pizza)


18 posted on 09/26/2011 7:42:11 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well lookee here!
This “cancer expert” gets a few BIG things wrong,, and can be bribed! He’s the guy who said the Lockerbie Bomber had 3 months to live! hmmmmmmm

“The Daily Telegraph revealed that Sikora was one of three different doctors hired by the Libyan government to report to them about Megrahi’s condition. Sikora’s report concluded that Megrahi had only 3 months to live due to terminal prostate cancer. Sikora has since admitted that the “3 months” timescale was suggested to him by the Libyans. According to the Daily Telegraph, this was not the first time that Sikora had been economical with the truth.”


19 posted on 09/26/2011 7:56:27 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Actually, as bad as this sounds, it might just be a blessing in disguise. I’ve always said that as long as the big bucks are made by the medical industry treating the symptoms of cancer, they would never find a cure for cancer. Cut off the money and suddenly the cure will be found, and it will probably be one that was there all the time. (yeah, I’m paranoid about the medical field).


20 posted on 09/26/2011 8:03:57 PM PDT by WVNan (!)
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To: DesertRhino
“Last week Professor Sikora warned that, in future, the best cancer treatments would be the preserve of the rich because they would be too expensive for the Health Service.”

That's why people shouldn't rely on national health services. There are many creative ways in the private sector to address these issues. I really can't stand intellectual midgets like Sikora. People like Sikora are extremely hierarchical, and gravitate to academic careers because of the titles and unwarranted stature. They live for their ‘specialness’ while preaching to the rest of us about how we should live in a homogeneous socialist society. How dare this arrogant and disgusting disgrace for an MD proclaim that someone else’s life is not cost effective.

The worst thing that ever happened to Europe is socialism.

21 posted on 09/26/2011 8:54:53 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: DesertRhino

Well, well, well. Thanks for digging that up. It completes the picture.


22 posted on 09/27/2011 4:24:10 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why don’t they just save a boat load of money by shooting them on diagnosis.


23 posted on 09/27/2011 4:40:43 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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