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San Mateo Cops Kill Dogs in Park; Family Outraged
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Wednesday, September 28, 2011 | Henry K. Lee

Posted on 09/28/2011 12:25:49 AM PDT by nickcarraway

A San Mateo family expressed outrage Tuesday that police shot and killed their two dogs after they escaped and started barking at children in a park.

Police countered that the animals were vicious and one of them hadn't even been slowed after being jolted with a Taser stun gun.

Carla Torres, 38, said her two boxers, a female named Bella and a male named Jordan, may have been loose and loud at Laurie Meadows Park on Monday, but that there was no reason for officers to shoot them.

"I wish the police would have waited for animal control," Torres said. "I don't think they should have shot the dogs."

She added, "I'm sorry that kids got scared." But she pointed out that the pair of year-old dogs, who were from the same litter, hadn't bitten anyone at the park.

Police said they had no choice but to use their weapons.

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TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dogs; donutwatch; jbts; warondogs

1 posted on 09/28/2011 12:25:58 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

So where were the owners while all this was going on, and why didn’t they get control of thier dogs?


2 posted on 09/28/2011 12:35:19 AM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: nickcarraway
Always loved dogs but if those dogs had killed a kid, I'd probably be first in line ripping the cops for negligence.
Painful though it is, it's a good shoot.

Carla Torres, 38, said her two boxers, a female named Bella and a male named Jordan, may have been loose and loud at Laurie Meadows Park...

You're joking, right?

3 posted on 09/28/2011 12:35:35 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: nickcarraway

“I wish the police would have waited for animal control,” Torres said.

I wish you took better care of your dogs. I don’t think the cops were very happy to have to kill poochie


4 posted on 09/28/2011 12:43:34 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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To: ari-freedom

When it comes to certain breeds: pits, boxers, rotties, etc; you cannot really take a chance, unfortunately.


5 posted on 09/28/2011 12:50:58 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: nickcarraway

I have always found Boxers to be great dogs.

But this is the owners fault! :-(

You are responsible for your dogs safety, control and welfare... you must keep them under control! Others cannot give them the benefit of doubt.

This is a painful lesson for everyone who loves their dogs.


6 posted on 09/28/2011 1:00:17 AM PDT by Bobalu (More rubble, less trouble)
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To: nickcarraway

They should not have let the dogs loose; but there seems to be a recurring theme here.. cops seem completely incapable of dealing with canine encounters other than by pulling out their bang bang and blowing the pooch away.

There’s got to be a better way to deal with these situations.


7 posted on 09/28/2011 1:04:27 AM PDT by Borough Park
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To: Borough Park
No, they used their taser. The story may not be sufficiently granular to detail everything else they tried.

I choose to give them the benefit of the doubt.

8 posted on 09/28/2011 1:11:26 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: stormhill

Taser is a tough shot on a dog to get two darts aboard, but when you do it is supposed to be very effective. There are two videos that are public where police used tasers against very aggressive pit bulls and they both got shocked once and took off running.


9 posted on 09/28/2011 1:18:21 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: nickcarraway

Sorry, but I side with the cops on this incident, based on what I read here!


10 posted on 09/28/2011 1:43:42 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Bobalu
I have always found Boxers to be great dogs.

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They are fantastic dogs, very hyper and playful.

I wonder why one of those adults didn't go up and grab the dogs? I would have.

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11 posted on 09/28/2011 3:17:26 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: nickcarraway
I often grouse about cops killing dogs. If you show up at a house, enter a fenced-in yard, and shoot the owner's dog for growling at you, then I think that is repugnant. But this case is different.

A public park? Dogs running loose? Dogs growling at children? Dogs not stopped by taser?

Good shoot. Bad owner.

12 posted on 09/28/2011 3:29:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Jonty30

Boxers are not aggressive breeds. They are consistently considered on the of the best family breeds out there.


13 posted on 09/28/2011 3:35:13 AM PDT by USMCWife6869
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To: USMCWife6869

I cannot disagree with you on that, but when it comes to dogs, they are individuals and things can turn very wrong and very quick.

The only big dogs I’m know I don’t have anything to worry about, ever are Labs and Retrievers.

But I do think that cops seem too quick to use their guns, instead of trying to discern if the situation warrants a gun or not.

I’m also aware of how often dog owners tend to underestimate a dog’s capacity for territorial instincts and will often ignore the warning signs.


14 posted on 09/28/2011 3:41:25 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Irenic

Come to Jonty!

Let me give you a great big hug, you lovable dogs!


15 posted on 09/28/2011 3:44:07 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: nickcarraway
"I wish the police would have waited for animal control"

Imagine the outcry if the police had waited, and the dogs ripped a child apart.

16 posted on 09/28/2011 3:50:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: nickcarraway
Dogs frequently don't know how to behave around children and will challenge them as they might another dog. The children (and most adults) don't react well and that invites further challenges by the dog.
The dogs may do well at home where they know their boundaries and limits but loose in a park may be a completely different story.
That's why owners say the dogs are so well behaved and would never bite anyone. They might not...at home.

Evidently these dogs had never been properly trained so I don't blame anyone for shooting them. A big dog won't break off challenging my kids the dog or dogs are done for by any means available to me.

17 posted on 09/28/2011 3:55:09 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: USMCWife6869

Boxers are not aggressive breeds. They are consistently considered on the of the best family breeds out there.
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Yes, they are! I just can’t get over this. If the TWO dogs wanted to get that little dog and child, they would have.

There was time for the dogs to make a ruckus, the police to be notified and get to the park.

If the dogs wanted to attack— the adults “bravely” standing between the dogs and the children would have been eaten up.

I sometimes wonder if the ‘Wild West’ could have been tamed, if we were to count on people of today. People have become so gutless.


18 posted on 09/28/2011 4:38:14 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: nickcarraway
she pointed out that the pair of year-old dogs, who were from the same litter, hadn't bitten anyone at the park

YET.

It's a shame the dogs, who were just being dogs, were killed because the owner is a narcissistic dingbat.

19 posted on 09/28/2011 4:45:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: Fresh Wind

I bet they also wish they had kept their dogs penned up.

Today’s zoo’s have been catching the devil for penning up animals so people can view them, but no on complains about penned up dogs. Is it really loving an animal to keep it in a backyard penned up? Well I suppose that is beside the point.

The point here is why didnt the police wait for Animal Control? If it’s like where I live, it takes 30 minutes to get a police officer on the scene and a couple of days to get Animal Control.We have two animal control trucks for 3 counties.


20 posted on 09/28/2011 4:46:55 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: USMCWife6869

My next door neighbors had two boxers - the most aggressive dogs I’ve every been around. They’d trace us inside the house (with windows closed) barking at us and eventually got out of the fenced yard and bit people on several occasions.

Not bagging the breed as a whole, but can fully understand why the police acted the way they did. Boxers are big, quick and hyper and I’m willing to say that they can be quite aggressive depending on the owners and the dog.


21 posted on 09/28/2011 4:47:27 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: Venturer

LOL... Where I live, the responding police officer had to run back to the station, trade in his patrol car, and return in the Animal Control truck.


22 posted on 09/28/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Hatteras

LOL I can envision that now.

When I was a kid we had two State police assigned to my county and the Sherriff carried his wife in the car with him as his Posse. Now w have well over 100 deputies with well over 00 Police Cars and God only knows how many state police assigned, and it takes longer to get help than it ever did. That is unless it’s a car accident, in that case they come from nowhere and cause a traffic jam at the scenein minutes.


23 posted on 09/28/2011 7:07:35 AM PDT by Venturer
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24 posted on 09/28/2011 7:09:23 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: USMCWife6869
Not as familiar with boxers as I am with Bull Mastiffs - the breed Boxers were derived from - but I have to disagree with your formulation.

Bull Mastiffs are excellent family dogs. They are also quite aggressive and capable of a great deal of damage. But if you saw a 100 lb dog picking her way gingerly around the playing two year old - or getting her ears pulled and stoically taking the abuse - you would quickly discern that this was a great family dog.

If you came into the yard unknown and unannounced - you would quickly discern that they are a VERY aggressive breed as well - to strangers.

25 posted on 09/28/2011 7:13:08 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Irenic
I have always found Boxers to be great dogs.

I love Boxers, but on at least one statistical compilation of bites by breed, they rank very high. Of pure breeds, only Akitas, German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Huskies, and Pit Bull Terriers have more bites. Boxers rank higher in number of bites than Dobermans on that list.

That said, it's one of the breeds I'd love to own at least once. I've known some wonderful ones. God just doesn't give us enough years on this plane to own all of the breeds we'd like to experience.

26 posted on 09/28/2011 7:19:35 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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Dogs loose in a park filled with small children? They needed killing. Kids are more important than animals. Dog owners have no one to blame but themselves.


27 posted on 09/28/2011 8:13:39 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Scoutmaster

I suppose statistics are statistics. I can’t argue that.

I can only speak to my experience and I’ve never had a problem with them and thus far, I’ve never met one that I have feared, even the barkers.

I do wonder if it is an absolute on the breed or if it could include ‘Boxer’ mix.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen advertisements (with photos) and animal control/rescue shelters list a pit type as a Boxer/Boxer mix.

A hospital would report Boxer even if a Boxer mix, no? And no, I am not trying to say they would never bite, I just have difficulty believing it that frequent.


28 posted on 09/28/2011 8:15:43 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: Venturer

>Today’s zoo’s have been catching the devil for penning up animals so people can view them, but no on complains about penned up dogs. Is it really loving an animal to keep it in a backyard penned up? Well I suppose that is beside the point.<

A dog with a fenced yard, that has plenty of interaction with its owners, is being mistreated in your opinion?

So people that let their dogs roam unsupervised are the good owners according to your thoughts?

Whoa.


29 posted on 09/28/2011 8:25:07 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Irenic
I do wonder if it is an absolute on the breed or if it could include ‘Boxer’ mix.

There's no telling with a list like that - although it does differentiate between "German Shepherd" and "German Shepherd Mix" and other kinds of mixed breeds.

The deal with a boxer is that it's large and it was bred as a guard dog. Intuitively, I'd guess that the breed has been bred to be loyal to some but protective against others. Dogs are dogs, but any breed that's beed specifically bred as a guard dog is a breed I'd view as more likely to bite than, say, a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel or a Toy Spaniel (500 years as a companion dog).

We all know how to read an AKC standard. Nothing negative is ever said about a breed. Everything is always cast in the best light. The AKC standard for a boxer includes the phrases: "guard dog," "[d]eliberate and wary with strangers," and "will exhibit curiosity, but, most importantly, fearless courage if threatened." You won't find that kind of language in the description of a Pembroke Corgi or Cardigan Corgi.

As I said, I like the breed. Loyal to the family and great with kids. But boxers are guard dogs. That's what the breed was developed as. Not a companion dog, or hunting dog, or working dog. A guard dog.

30 posted on 09/28/2011 8:40:39 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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To: nickcarraway
I came here ready to EMASCULATE the cops.

After reading the facts, it was a righteous shoot.

31 posted on 09/28/2011 8:43:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Michael Moore: Aggressively Hypocritical and Smug About It.)
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To: Scoutmaster
Boxers are not aggressive breeds.

I have a boxer, and they are my favorite breed. Boxers are people lovers and hate to be left alone. A boxer that is constantly left alone can become a mean dog. That's what this case sounds like.

32 posted on 09/28/2011 9:50:14 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

I own a very large mastiff that is completely non-aggressive. I’ve posted photos of him with my young granddaughter, me, and nose to nose with a ferret.

That said, he is never out of my control. He obeys his commands, sit, stop, stay, down, and if he didn’t, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone didn’t shoot him He is scary looking. Dogs and children do not always do well together. I have a niece who had her face torn up by a “gentle family dog” not sure the breed, at age 11. I don’t trust my dog because I cannot bear the thought that he would be put down if he EVER put his teeth on a human. He doesn’t even uncover his teeth around people.

He is capable of acting as a very effective watch dog, simply by standing and staring. Grown men have left the vicinity when he stands and watches them silently. He has a way of making a potential aggressor nervous without making a move. He’s calm around other dogs and will let them jump all over him, he just ignores them. But unknown men are his job, in his opinion.

Sometimes I’m surprised by the way people and other dogs assume he will be gentle (he always has been) and just pet and hug him, lift his ears and feet (they’re big). I myself would not do that with a strange dog.


33 posted on 09/28/2011 10:23:32 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Darnright

Do you always put words into people’s mouths.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of people who attack Zoo’s for keeping animals penned up, and then pen up a dog in their back yard.

I am not an advocate ,as you assume, of dogs running loose.


34 posted on 09/28/2011 11:23:39 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: nickcarraway

I have to call this a good shot. If, for sake of argument, a dog broke away from a responsible owner, the dog would immediately be re-restrained and removed to its own yard when possible.

If the dog inconvenienced anyone else, a responsible owner would apologize.

The owner should have kept her dogs under control. It’s a shame that they were shot, but this isn’t a case of a police officer entering a backyard to shoot a dog; this is a case of a loose dogs barking at children in a park.


35 posted on 09/28/2011 1:56:09 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Judith Anne

“Sometimes I’m surprised by the way people and other dogs assume he will be gentle (he always has been) and just pet and hug him, lift his ears and feet (they’re big). I myself would not do that with a strange dog.”

Regrettably, fewer people these days understand that it is unwise to be so familiar with a strange dog.


36 posted on 09/28/2011 1:58:49 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: nickcarraway
Police said they had no choice but to use their weapons.

Had to? Would be illegal in Russia.

Stray dogs Moscow

37 posted on 09/28/2011 3:00:23 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: nickcarraway
Police said they had no choice but to use their weapons.

Had to? Would be illegal in Russia.

Stray dogs Moscow

38 posted on 09/28/2011 3:00:35 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: nickcarraway
Police said they had no choice but to use their weapons.

Had to? Would be illegal in Russia.

Stray dogs Moscow

39 posted on 09/28/2011 3:00:35 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Immerito

Exactly. The dog could easily have a hot spot or sore place, and growl or even snap. What a dog will allow its owner to do, and what it will accept from a stranger, are two different things.


40 posted on 09/28/2011 5:32:20 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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