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Minn. Man Kills Self In His Car After Losing Job
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Posted on 10/02/2011 12:02:25 PM PDT by traumer

Edited on 10/02/2011 12:15:53 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

BURNSVILLE, Minn. (AP) Burnsville police say a Northfield man who had just lost his job committed suicide in front of former colleagues by locking himself in his car and shooting himself in the head.

Fifty-one-year-old Patrick Joseph Graves was still alive Thursday morning when officers arrived. He died about an hour later at a hospital.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: collapse; decline; manhating; revolution; suicide
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1 posted on 10/02/2011 12:02:26 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

Sad case, the gentleman must have had few expectations of being hired elsewhere and may have thought the company would even have blocked his unemployment compensation. I guess liberalism doesn’t solve everything in MN.


2 posted on 10/02/2011 12:04:51 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: traumer

Awful news and tragic unnecessary ending of a life. Give him some credit in that the life he took was his own and not others...


3 posted on 10/02/2011 12:05:38 PM PDT by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: traumer

This is very sad, clearly a case of situational depression suicide. There are a lot of things a person can recover from, but this is not one of them. I am a human being, not a human doing. Prayers for this poor man and his family.


4 posted on 10/02/2011 12:05:44 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: traumer

May the Lord bring the loved ones and those who saw this terrible deed comfort and peace.


5 posted on 10/02/2011 12:08:55 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: traumer

Also, a lot of courts will not lower your child support payments. It’s either pay or jail even if you’re not working.


6 posted on 10/02/2011 12:09:33 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (I can only be series in a parallel universe.)
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To: traumer

“shooting himself in the head [..] still alive Thursday morning”

That must have hurt


7 posted on 10/02/2011 12:10:07 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Theodore R.

I am sure there were deeper psychological problems before he lost the job.

so sad


8 posted on 10/02/2011 12:11:23 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: traumer

“Jill Murphy says Graves received an unexpectedly poor performance review Monday and was fired Thursday. “

There’s that pesky ‘UNEXPECTED’ again...if only we could fire this kenyan Klown from the WH.


9 posted on 10/02/2011 12:12:26 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Larry Lucido

“Also, a lot of courts will not lower your child support payments. It’s either pay or jail even if you’re not working.”

I see. That must have killed quite a few men by now. Or inspired them to crime.


10 posted on 10/02/2011 12:13:35 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: traumer

Middle-aged guy in my neighborhood did that last Thanksgiving. He had lost his job, exhausted his unemployment, couldn’t get another job, had run through is savings, and was facing the loss of his house. He had been fairly successful, but no one would hire him due to his age. His wife said he had tried to get a job as a stock boy at the grocery store and at places like Staples, Costco, etc., but was turned down for those too. The constant rejection just crushed his spirit. When he killed himself the insurance allowed his wife and kids to stay in the house, which I suppose was part of his motivation. I guess there are some insurance policies that don’t have a suicide exclusion if the policy has been in place for a certain time. It was terribly sad. He did it right after Thanksgiving dinner, going out onto a country road in his car. He didn’t want that to be the last Thanksgiving his family would have in that house—but what sad, disordered thinking! Surely every Thanksgiving has been poisoned for them now. What a tragedy. And how sad that a man who had had a good career for many years could never find another job.

During the recession of 1982 (?) a guy who lived across the street from me did the same, with the same result. Killed himself with carbon monoxide poisoning in the garage while his wife and kids were out. His wife found him. The horror of finding him did something to her; it seemed like there was a part of her heart that got permanently broken. She was a nice woman and loved her husband.


11 posted on 10/02/2011 12:18:03 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Fear of jail and knowing that one cannot take care of their children may CAUSE one to have psychological problems.

I know it would for me.


12 posted on 10/02/2011 12:22:29 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: ottbmare

Rather than giving people long term unemployment I would prefer to see an employment program of last resort. People need to know there is somewhere they can go to work for self respect some income when they are unable to find a public sector job after a couple of months.


13 posted on 10/02/2011 12:28:28 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: Average Al

(and) some


14 posted on 10/02/2011 12:29:19 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: traumer

Permanent solution to a temporary problem.


15 posted on 10/02/2011 12:34:56 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: traumer

My wife and I saw this last night:

The Company Men
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1172991/
The story centers on a year in the life of three men trying to survive a round of corporate downsizing at a major company - and how that affects them, their families, and their communities.

It could have been better but the overall message was interesting and timely.


16 posted on 10/02/2011 12:45:55 PM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: ottbmare

The sad part of all this stress is the cold hard fact that most people know in their hearts our president is not being sincere about wanting America to rebound. His agenda is quite different from what he says in his town halls and the hurting part of this reality is that many in the media understand his true feelings and will say nothing, nor will they question him about his motives and his misguided group of Czars.


17 posted on 10/02/2011 12:51:33 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: traumer

Sad. RIP.


18 posted on 10/02/2011 12:58:52 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Average Al

You know, that’s not actually a bad idea at all. I like it. And let’s say it’s not government make-work jobs, but private sector jobs that are modest in responsibility and pay, but need to be done.


19 posted on 10/02/2011 1:06:03 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: RandallFlagg
Fear of jail and knowing that one cannot take care of their children may CAUSE one to have psychological problems.

I know it would for me.


Yeah, I understand that as well. I think there should be some forebearance on child support for a person who is unemployed as long as there is proof that he/she is trying their best to look for work. I believe in owning up to that responsibility in taking care of your kids but still, you cannot get blood from a stone.
20 posted on 10/02/2011 1:09:15 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: ottbmare

Yep. The jobs could be based on people’s skill levels.


21 posted on 10/02/2011 1:09:23 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: traumer
Wow...Just wow. Lost my job a year ago at age 56 and anyone who doesn't think there's no age discrimination going on now is crazy. White male over 50 is the new minority! Currently trying to start my own company taking care of my own destination.
22 posted on 10/02/2011 1:18:50 PM PDT by John in Wisconsin
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To: Average Al

And then people with a certain bunch of skills could be hired in order they applied (within limits, of course) rather than going through an elaborate corporate hiring process that just picks the youngest, flashiest, prettiest, or cheapest employee. Perhaps companies could get some kind of tax break for setting aside a certain percentage of jobs for this pool of jobs for the unemployed.

You may have a winner here, Al. Now, how can we get this concept to Herman Cain?


23 posted on 10/02/2011 1:25:32 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: traumer

Prayers up for his loved ones.


24 posted on 10/02/2011 1:26:35 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: Baynative
The sad part of all this stress is the cold hard fact that most people know in their hearts our president is not being sincere about wanting America to rebound. His agenda is quite different from what he says in his town halls and the hurting part of this reality is that many in the media understand his true feelings and will say nothing, nor will they question him about his motives and his misguided group of Czars.

That's a huge part of it. Most sane people do know and understand that we do not have people in power that care for this country, instead they are trying to wreck it. Obama is a pig, so is his wife and family. The whole group he appoints are pigs. They are pigs like in Orwell's "Animal Farm" except they are much beyond "all animals are equals, but some are more equal than others," where they see themselves as superiors. They don't give a tinker's "dang" about us and see us as slaves.

Well, I guess I'd better report myself to Attackwatch for calling Obama a pig. Maybe that would be after my report where I flipped off the motorcade with The Bird as it passed me on the highway here in Pittsburgh.
25 posted on 10/02/2011 1:27:56 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: ottbmare; Average Al

Love the idea too. I always thought job interviews should be given where the applicant is behind a wall and uses a voice changer to filter out most biases although that is for another time.


26 posted on 10/02/2011 1:30:14 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: ottbmare
If you really want to hear the Dems squawk, tell them 15% of all government jobs must be reserved for this purpose too.
27 posted on 10/02/2011 1:32:40 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Well if you would like to make the process a bit more relevant have people take one of several standardized jobs skill tests based on the level of job they are applying for. That way employers don’t have to rely solely on phony resumes or reluctant job references to guess at people’s jobs skills.


28 posted on 10/02/2011 1:39:13 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: Larry Lucido

That isn’t really true except in rare circumstances. The key is to get in front of the Judge as soon as possible, becuase the changes are not retroactive. If you wait filing papers to change support, you do so at your own cost. The first place to go after the unemployment office is the court administrator in the county with the child support order to request a suspension or reduction.

The support will be changed to reflect the new income, and may use unemployment benefits as the income basis.

There are times when the court imputes income of at least minimum wage, especially if the obligor does not prove that he has tried to get a job with sufficient effort in good faith.

Having said that, there are lost of guys, and gals, paying more than they can afford, but they need to do the right things to protect themselves. They look and look for work, but do not find any, and they are sometimes accused of not looking hard enough.

The court also assumes that the most important expenditure is the child support, so the other things in live must suffer before the children do.

It is a difficult circumstance, added on to another hard time, though, no matter how you cut it.

Maybe if we give more money to bail out the banks that will help...yeah, that’s a good idea.


29 posted on 10/02/2011 1:41:48 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: Average Al

instead of your idea, what about repealing all the regulations that prevent people from being creative, or hiring marginalized people.


30 posted on 10/02/2011 1:47:51 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Chickensoup

Well just identifying all of them should put a lot of people to work for years.


31 posted on 10/02/2011 2:08:33 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: Average Al

Well just identifying all of them should put a lot of people to work for years.

___________________

You have a point.


32 posted on 10/02/2011 2:27:39 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: John in Wisconsin
See, you did the right thing. You took your own destiny into your own hands. If a person has a lawn mower and weed eater, he can get by day to day by moving yards. I received a flyer from a man who has a truck and is going around hauling away whatever you want him to haul. I'm sure he picks up a lot of stuff that he can sale at flea markets,etc. He does not charge for picking up your basement or garage junk. He resells it. There are so many things that one can do. I would love for someone to come and wash down my aluminum siding. Can't find a soul to do that. Can't find anyone to mow my tiny little yard for less than a fortune. If you look around there are all sorts of "needs" to be filled.

I think what bothers me is the generation that is now suffering from the bad economy is the generation that we raised to never want for anything. They simply do not know how to cope. Sad. God always makes a way if you trust and follow where He points.

33 posted on 10/02/2011 2:31:03 PM PDT by WVNan (!)
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To: Average Al

Yep. Then Obozo would be unemployed. Oh and Obozo this man’s blood is on your head! Thanks, mr. hope and change.


34 posted on 10/02/2011 2:34:00 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: traumer

Watch hi tech execs, including former ones like Bill Gates,
whine about shortage of software professionals to hire,
and then refuse to hire anyone over 45, while your senator, D or R,
votes for extending the H1B program, and will do nothing
about American jobs floating to India.


35 posted on 10/02/2011 2:36:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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And after he is dead the revenue folks will strip anything else left to pay for their crony unionized political parties.

Its time to clean up America, all of us are being called upon to figuratively walk the highways picking up the trash.

Those who don’t are either lazy or are contributors.

These over zealous child protection services are nothing but male hating druidesess out to remove the male species and everything he owns.

I know the feeling but I am not quite that desperate to take my life, my days are numbered from a higher authority.


36 posted on 10/02/2011 2:42:04 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Sarah Palin and John Bolton--- 2012)
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To: muir_redwoods
Permanent solution to a temporary problem.

This comment, which is routinely found on suicide stories, is flippant and despicable.

37 posted on 10/02/2011 2:49:43 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Theodore R.

“...the gentleman must have had few expectations of being hired elsewhere...”

Believe you nailed it down. Being unemployed at the age of 51 makes a person unemployable in many instances.


38 posted on 10/02/2011 3:32:56 PM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: traumer
...Graves received an unexpectedly poor performance review Monday and was fired Thursday.

This is apparently how companies do these things nowadays based on personal experience. You can go from consistently excellent ratings for years to suddenly being rated low on the totem pole and then out the door with you. That way they can claim you were let go for cause rather than due to age and you can't do much about it. This is a really sad story.

39 posted on 10/02/2011 3:44:49 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: traumer

Well....I can understand why he was terminated....must of been off his medication.


40 posted on 10/02/2011 3:48:37 PM PDT by Fawn (No TO PERRY!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik
"Being unemployed at the age of 51 makes a person unemployable in many instances."

I can testify to that.

41 posted on 10/02/2011 4:14:35 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: traumer

One painful aspect of the ongoing Baraqqi Depression is that most companies realize they can work the hired help like rented mules. Job mobility in the age of Baraq is pretty limited.


42 posted on 10/02/2011 4:17:58 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

I see. That must have killed quite a few men by now. Or inspired them to crime.
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My husband worked with a guy who lost his job and soon after had to to to court to be told he’d go to jail if he didnt pay his child support in X amount of days.

That night, he went to a bar, had a drink or two and went out behind the bar and blew his head off.
Sad.


43 posted on 10/02/2011 5:16:51 PM PDT by simplesimon (Thomas Paine is weeping. Common sense is gone.)
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To: Baynative

Me too. And then some on FR blame us. If we just tried harder we could get those great jobs again, like them.

I think some of the people who say things like that are whistling past the graveyard. They’re hoping that if they lose their jobs, they won’t be like us; no, sir, they’d be snapped up right away. We’re at fault, so they’ll never be in our shoes.


44 posted on 10/02/2011 5:19:36 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: newzjunkey

It saved my niece’s life when it helped her realized that bad times pass but you are entitled to your uninformed opinion.


45 posted on 10/02/2011 5:46:12 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: ottbmare
Those that are fortunate enough to be getting along had better count their blessings, that's all I can say. Being on the cusp of retirement and having to go back to work is tough physically and emotionally.

The job I held at $80K with a liberal arts education has 30 somethings with MBA's lining up to work for $50. The search is further impacted because the unemployment where I live is in the high teens and relocating may be nearly impossible because our home value has dropped by more than half.

(I may consider taking Obama up on his offer to sue someone who doesn't hire because of current unemployed status.)

46 posted on 10/02/2011 6:08:07 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Baynative

(laughing) I can’t even imagine earning $50K now. I have no pride left. I used to have such an upscale lifestyle, but now I get turned down for jobs cleaning hotel rooms at the Holiday Inn.


47 posted on 10/02/2011 6:14:20 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: simplesimon

Yeah. When random people you are chatting with on websites have personal anecdotes, it’s a big deal.

They have torn society apart with their easy divorces and no penalties for adultery. Then they load the backs of men with the weight of it.


48 posted on 10/02/2011 6:39:52 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: ottbmare
Me too. And then some on FR blame us. If we just tried harder we could get those great jobs again, like them.

I think some of the people who say things like that are whistling past the graveyard. They’re hoping that if they lose their jobs, they won’t be like us; no, sir, they’d be snapped up right away. We’re at fault, so they’ll never be in our shoes.


Amen! Yes, it is up to each of us to make it on our own abilities but the conditions need to be right for that to happen too. Government cannot create jobs, but it can foster a better atmosphere for the economy to do that and in recent years, it has made it harder for it to do so. You have middle aged people chasing jobs that people who are starting out would normally get.
49 posted on 10/02/2011 6:50:31 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: max americana
There’s that pesky ‘UNEXPECTED’ again...if only we could fire this kenyan Klown from the WH.

In exactly 401 days from today...YES WE CAN fire the KK from the WH. 401 days.

50 posted on 10/02/2011 6:54:26 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (PSA. As of 10/02/11, 401/476 days 'til we vote out/take out the trash. (Nov 6 2012))
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