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Is "cloud" just a slick marketing term for "outsourced"?
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Posted on 10/08/2011 5:55:49 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

Ever find yourself not trusting something or someone from the first moment - but not knowing why?

For instance the first moment you saw a politician, instantly not trusting them but you just couldn't place why?

*cough* John Edwards *cough*.

Well that's what I thought the first time I heard about "cloud computing".


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: cloud; dumb; freetrade
The first time I heard the term "cloud computing" something just set off all my "bad idea" bells, none of which have since stopped the incessant ding ding ding...

This morning, trying to avoid the Palin whatever-it-is, for some reason it dawned on me what it is about the "cloud" which has been doing that:

"Cloud" computing, is just a fancy term for outsourcing American jobs!!

Go ahead and google the two words together:

"Outsourcing Cloud".

Hey. You. Stay offa the cloud!

America first.

1 posted on 10/08/2011 5:55:51 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No...


2 posted on 10/08/2011 5:56:59 AM PDT by KevinDavis (What has Ron Paul done in Congress??)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; All

By the way I don’t believe in stopping progress all in the name of protecting jobs..


3 posted on 10/08/2011 5:57:46 AM PDT by KevinDavis (What has Ron Paul done in Congress??)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; ShadowAce

I thought “cloud” refered to secure networking.


4 posted on 10/08/2011 5:57:46 AM PDT by Perdogg (I would vote for Pawnstar Chumlee, before I would vote for 0bama)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Back in the day what is called a cloud, was called a server. Only the cloud is more sophisticated, iCloud probably more so due to it’s seamless capabilities in syncing up your devices.

It has it’s uses, but I wouldn’t put personal, or proprietary company data on one. I would much rather have, possibly in addition to the national/global cloud, a local cloud that I control that would handle the task of seamlessly syncing up all my devices.

BTW: apple’s cloud is in NC, USA.


5 posted on 10/08/2011 6:04:36 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Clearly, you don’t have a clue what Cloud computing is all about.


6 posted on 10/08/2011 6:05:01 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Cloud computing is an extension of virtual machines.

A virtual machine (VM) is a complete OS instance that runs independent of hardware. In it’s simplest form, you can create multiple Windows instances that run inside of your computer (inside of windows).

The advantage of VMs is that your machine can be transferred to any hardware. Furthermore it can be copied.

Now consider that idea in corporate america. It allows the IT dept to slice hardware into independent server instances. It allows them to backup instances that are bootable easily. It allows them to create instance profiles that can be deployed quickly and customized.

Now to the cloud. Clouds primarily do 2 things. First you can start multiple instances of the same VM. If the software on the VM is written well that will parallelize the processes. Second it commmodotizes CPU time. The cloud providers can allocate more and less CPU ticks as necessary, and they can charge for that power.

Outsourcing is independent of VM or clouds. A company can have a physical data center outsourced just as easily as a virtual data center.


7 posted on 10/08/2011 6:05:32 AM PDT by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: laxcoach

Very informative post, thanks!


8 posted on 10/08/2011 6:08:01 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

A “cloud” is a dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure, with a user at one end, and their data at the other.


9 posted on 10/08/2011 6:08:21 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"Cloud" computing, is just a fancy term for outsourcing American jobs!!

Why are you so dumb?

10 posted on 10/08/2011 6:09:19 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: tacticalogic

Lol. :)


11 posted on 10/08/2011 6:09:52 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

just think of it this way

you could have your own ‘cloud’ inside your home

all computers linked toether

and when one of them is doing a major computation it can borrow time to do some parts of the computation on all the machines, when they would be otherwise idle. (most of the time your computer is idle) that way you have the power of all machines working on the problem.

thats sort of the gist of it.

and when wew are all linked up and processing this way we will call it “Sky Net” and it will be so nice!


12 posted on 10/08/2011 6:11:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (Sarah you broke my heart~!! Endorse Cain and all is forgiven)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

IT jobs were being outsourced overseas long before cloud computing came onto the scene.


13 posted on 10/08/2011 6:13:07 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: tacticalogic
Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!!!!!!

I can not understand why an individual or company would ever allow mission critical applications or data out of their control. Disaster Recovery, great idea, but not for day-to-day operations.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

14 posted on 10/08/2011 6:15:32 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: tacticalogic
Why not “cloud” food storage?No refrigerator or freezer or pantry shelves;when you want something to eat go to McDonalds.

Why not “cloud” transportation? No private cars;call a taxi or ride the bus.

Why not “cloud” housing? Never own property ,just rent it and hot-bunk for minimum costs!

I'll keep my data and programs stored locally,thank you very much! If the internet is down because of system failures or government or other hackers, at least I can still do some work.

Networking also brings control;I know one company that insists all computers go through distant servers that WHEN(not if) the servers have an issue,many programs and functions are unavailable.But the home office is in CONTROL of every keystroke.whoopee.

15 posted on 10/08/2011 6:19:56 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Why are you so dumb?

Hey I'm a protectionist. What do you expect, I'd jump on any fad? :D

Not this FReeper.

16 posted on 10/08/2011 6:21:59 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: LonePalm
I can not understand why an individual or company would ever allow mission critical applications or data out of their control.

Especially for mid-sized and smaller companies, it's VERY difficult to pull together the IT talent which can manage such a system with reasonable reliability and security.

For individual small business owners it almost impossible; even much simpler on-site backup procedures frequently fail because of limitations in knowledge and/or imperfect backup discipline.

17 posted on 10/08/2011 6:26:46 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Protectionist of what? You don’t even know the first thing about the technology you’re ranting about. You obviously did no research. Reply #7 laid out the basics and it was clear you didn’t know any of it.

What the hell ever happened to informed opinions on this site? Good God...


18 posted on 10/08/2011 6:27:16 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: hoosierham
Networking also brings control;I know one company that insists all computers go through distant servers that WHEN(not if) the servers have an issue,many programs and functions are unavailable.But the home office is in CONTROL of every keystroke.whoopee.

"Cloud computing" can be like that, with the added caveat that when it does happen won't necessarily know or be able to find out where those servers are, or even who owns and controls them.

19 posted on 10/08/2011 6:27:34 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Future Snake Eater

I asked a question. I suspect “cloud” computing is intertwined with outsourcing US jobs.

Understanding from a very informative post above, the two are independent of each other. Which does not preclude significant inter-relationship between the two.

You evidently don’t think so. You see yourself as informed.

I never claimed to be informed. You might notice the question mark, on the title?

I have however seen a (lot) of coworkers lose their jobs to outsourcing. I’m sick and tired of saying “I’m so sorry” to people as they walk out with their stuff in a box.

Yes protectionist.

Emphatically so.


20 posted on 10/08/2011 6:36:17 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You know how you feel when Free Republic is down for a day? Lonely, lost, confused, angered, and out of contact? At least I do...

Now imagine that instead of Free Republic, those are your family photographs, recipes, games, daily planner, and other important documents that suddenly go *poof* when the cloud decides it’s done hosting your files.

Funny thing is, in big corporation IT, what comes around goes around. Things started with central processors and remote dumb terminals. Then the personal computer brought independent computing power to the desktop, freeing users from having to beg for processor time, or waiting days for a report to be run.

Now with this cloud computing model, you’re getting back to a more or less dumb terminal and a central processor ‘somewhere.’


21 posted on 10/08/2011 6:38:56 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

it’s just a big fat external storage device. very handy. who owns it and/or whom they hire to maintain it (i.e. what nationality their employees are) is immaterial to the idea itself (good or bad; and actually it’s good and bad, imho).


22 posted on 10/08/2011 7:23:17 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

good on you, though: a conservative ought to be suspicious of any push to centralize anything.


23 posted on 10/08/2011 7:25:14 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
I fully understand that. I have a MS in CS.

The point is letting mission critical applications and data out of your control.

For small organizations, they may have to go with that option with the understanding that if it fails they are out of business. The down-side risk is huge.

For any organization that can even afford one part-time IT person and their own servers I always recommend taking control of your own existence.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

24 posted on 10/08/2011 7:45:25 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

There is nothing in “cloud computing” that makes it a form of outsourcing for jobs.

There is more outsourcing involved in the manufacturing of computers and TVs and software development than it “cloud computing”.


25 posted on 10/08/2011 7:48:27 AM PDT by adorno (<)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I went for a job interview at a large company a couple of weeks back. I met with half a dozen individuals, and every one of them were East Indian. Being an American, I had no chance, yet the H1B program continues going full speed ahead!

FUBO GTFO! 470 Days until Noon Jan 20, 2013

26 posted on 10/08/2011 8:12:44 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Good luck with your interviews!!

It dawned on me, reading your post.

I wonder what proportion of true believers, the stubbornly “free trade” Republicans, are retired, and whose working experience was predominately when America stood down the Soviet Union, using more or less the same tactics China (and other nations) are currently using against America?

I’ve been baffled how it is, that Republicans. Who understand geostrategic issues more clearly than anyone else, can be so wrong about something so basic.

I’m starting to wonder, whether those still insisting “free trade” is good for America - don’t actually, need jobs?...


27 posted on 10/08/2011 8:32:37 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If only we actually had “free trade”... What we’ve had for the last 40 years has been highly managed trade, loaded with tariffs and rules and quotas and restrictions.

Maybe if we actually tried REAL free trade things would work better. Milton Friedman was a big champion of free trade - and he also designed the Chilean economy (at the request of - and payment from - Pinochet) and it’s working extremely well; it’s retirement system - also conceived and designed by Friedman - is held up as a model for the US to follow.

How about we actually try real free trade before you denigrate it? Because it’s pretty clear the highly managed and restricted trade we have now isn’t working.


28 posted on 10/08/2011 8:41:41 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If you don’t have your data, you don’t control it. Period.


29 posted on 10/08/2011 9:01:49 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Yo-Yo
Now with this cloud computing model, you’re getting back to a more or less dumb terminal and a central processor ‘somewhere.’

Dude, that is exactly what I've been saying.

30 posted on 10/08/2011 9:08:05 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Yo-Yo
Funny thing is, in big corporation IT, what comes around goes around.

Yep. Been sayin' that for years.

31 posted on 10/08/2011 9:22:37 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You’re cloud clueless.

My cloud contains all my applications (stopped paying Microsoft for their Office suite) documents, contacts, email, dozens of function-specific sites, forms, pics, calendars, resource management, member services, push notices and more.

It’s accessible 24/7 on any computer with an internet connection and is not OS, browser or device dependent. It syncs with my Macs, PCs and phones at home, work or on the road.

It’s reliable, user-friendly, secure, fully archived and ... um ...FREE.

You who are skittish of the cloud, feel free to burrow in your tech holes and pull the dirt in on top of yourselves. I’ve eulogized enough of you in my 26 years of replacing paleo-coots who resisted themselves out of market viability.

Your grandchildren’s entire education will be provided on devices you can’t even fathom and emanate from the cloud.


32 posted on 10/08/2011 10:12:53 AM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: TruthHound

Well, when somebody gives you something for free, there is always a reason. They have to be getting something out of it because they have bills to pay. Sooo, what happens when people put stuff on a cloud and the cloud people can’t pay their electric bill??? Sooo, maybe it works fine for now, but I just spent $60 and bought a back up hard drive thingy with 500 gigs of space on it. Or maybe 460, who can tell??? Anyway, if the clouds blow away, I still have a cheap backup. Which I think is pretty common sense.


33 posted on 10/08/2011 10:24:09 AM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Cloud” computing or storage may be thought of as outsourcing your computer’s processor chip or its hard drive. So unless you think that either is an American citizen, then no, it’s not about outsourcing American jobs.


34 posted on 10/08/2011 10:33:19 AM PDT by Redcloak (Sans Couth)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Fail.


35 posted on 10/08/2011 10:38:56 AM PDT by Defiant (Calling all citizens from all over the world, this is Captain America calling.)
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To: Squeeky

http://lifehacker.com/281635/back-up-your-google-apps-data

done


36 posted on 10/08/2011 10:45:41 AM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: TruthHound
Thank you for the linky thingy. I bookmarked it. But there is still the little problem of what happens when you can't get on the net, or it goes down??? Like a EMP attack thingy or SOLAR FLARES!!! As I sit in the darkness, with candles, just me and the kitty cats, and a machete waiting for MUTANTS to attack, and get lonely for some really good music, like Rasputina or Tango To Evora, I just go turn on my laptop with all that stuff on it. It runs off a battery, I can even watch videos and stuff.

Sooo, the real problem is maybe having to be able to log on the Internet to get your stuff and I have had problems before when there is a virus, and I can't download a fixy thingy because the virus keeps me from getting on the net. Sooo, it is maybe fine to use the cloud, and even back stuff up on it, but if all your stuff is there, and not any at home, OH will you ever be sooo TOTALLY SCREWED if you can't get on the net for some reason. Here is a good lesson on backups and systems and stuff. Don't be left saying "But. . .whocuddanode???:

Fukushima Lesson: Failover Systems Must Be Truly Redundant!

37 posted on 10/08/2011 12:05:50 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Cloud” is a slick marketing term for “really big building full of servers and other computer thingies”.


38 posted on 10/08/2011 12:06:48 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Squeeky

After an EMP, backups will be the least of our prOblems. I realize there are Freeple who are all set to live off the fat of the land. Mo powah to ‘em. I’m comfortable with my choice to survive in THIS world—not a post-apocalyptic one.


39 posted on 10/08/2011 12:28:47 PM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: TruthHound

That is your choice, and probably you will never have a problem. And maybe building a bunker with indoor toilets like in Tremors is excessive. But what is the cost of a backup hard drive??? $60??? And I guess you could backup stuff from the cloud with one, couldn’t you???


40 posted on 10/08/2011 12:48:19 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Squeeky

Seems you missed my point with the link. It’s possible and I do—regularly.


41 posted on 10/08/2011 2:11:31 PM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: AFreeBird

Our healthcare info is on cloud. Dont forget that.


42 posted on 10/08/2011 2:22:50 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: TruthHound

Ooops. I’m sorry!!! I didn’t read what you said carefully enough. Never mind. (OMG, I am embarrassed!!!)


43 posted on 10/08/2011 3:01:02 PM PDT by Squeeky ("Truth is so rare that it is delightful to tell it. " Emily Dickinson)
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To: Chickensoup

Yea, I know that. As I said, I wouldn’t want personal info out in the cloud.

Of course what I want and what the gubment wants, are two different things. And the divide has only gotten larger over time.


44 posted on 10/08/2011 7:20:00 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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