Posted on 10/09/2011 1:37:52 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
Milton Friedman shows the stupidity of tariffs.
In 2010 the USA produced 80.6 million tonnes of steel.
Quick, tell driftdiver we still make steel.
Only imported oil.
No tax on Texas oil. None on Alaska oil. None for Oklahoma. California. North Dakota Bakken.
None on Gulf of Mexico oil.
See also: Buy American.
That's a lot of steel. How much do we use for defense?
It probably makes Free Traitors made that any steel is produced by inefficient US workers. All of those guys should retrain as biophysicists. I mean get real.
Let me ask you a question, how much steel does China produce every year?
No tax on Texas oil. None on Alaska oil. None for Oklahoma. California. North Dakota Bakken.
None on Gulf of Mexico oil.
Awesome. So when imported oil goes from $83 to $166 a barrel, domestic producers will charge how much for a barrel?
Cool - so your approach is to tax ourselves into prosperity. As long as you know what you’re actually supporting...
I don’t know, how much?
Domestic producers wold be highly motivated to produce more then.
Might be interesting to compare that 2010 steel production volume, with say... 1944.
As a starting point for what might someday be needed in a pinch.
I’m just curious why you think we can tax ourselves into prosperity. How raising taxes on US consumers will help our economy.
Of course, you also thought tariffs on imported goods weren’t taxes on US consumers, so maybe you’re not quite sure of what you’re saying...
China produces 8 times as much steel as the USA.
Yes, China and India love free trade deals. its helped them build their countries. They aren’t our friends.
First off, we do NOT have free trade; in fact, we haven’t had free trade ever. We have highly managed trade, we have the tariffs and quotas and restrictions you protectionists want - and it hasn’t worked too well, has it?
Now, about the loss of manufacturing jobs and unions. Is it any surprise that many of those union jobs went overseas? It was simply economically unfeasible to keep them here. It’s either close down altogether and let everything in the chain die, or move some of the production overseas and keep a good portion of the chain.
Of course, you’d rather see the whole system torn down and burn rather than reformed, right?
How do you think we can tax ourselves into prosperity?
Oh. You’re back.
Out buying imported stuff, I’m guessing?
I'll bet US steelworkers are a lot more efficient than they were 30 years ago. More than 20 years ago.
As long as they produce without taxpayer subsidies, more power to them.
You don't think the government should buy US Steel and start cranking up production, regardless of cost, do you?
Just so you know we are Free Traitoring ourselves into economic oblivion and the world is laughing at us.
No more than you, I bet... What brand computer or cell phone do you have?
And you never want to talk about how your plan is to tax ourselves into prosperity. How giving the Federal Government even more revenue and even more control over our lives is the way to gain liberty and prosperity.
So how are we going to tax ourselves into prosperity? What new business are you going to set up to meet US demand?
You bet. So answer the question.
I’m pretty sure we don’t need fleets of B-17s to launch nukes today.
Did you ever find how much we use for defense today?
Or are you still using feelings instead of actual data?
We are? We have free trade?
Tell me, what do you think free trade is?
Wow, that’s a lot of steel.
How much do they use for defense?
I already explained it to you.
You’re not exactly the brightest led in the flashlight, are you?
Import tariffs ... tax our competition.
Benefiting American manufacturers. Which provide American jobs, for American workers, who deposit their direct deposit into US banks.
Sorry to tell you, but it looks like your bulb is burned out...
We have free trade deals with China and India?
When did that happen? You have a link?
Sorry, you're flat out wrong. If you want to make up your own fantasyland, you're on your own. Really, you need to learn something. Ignorance can be fixed, if you really want to quit being a dolt.
He’s probably referring to “most favored nation” status.
You know. Where we open our markets but still can’t sell to them?
Among the top 10 Chinese exported products to America, only LCD television screens from China (HTS code 8528.72.72.50) is charged with tariff duties. The duty rate is 5%. Based on that 5% rate, the U.S. government collected $219.2 million in tariff duties ($4.4 billion times 5%) on that one product category. All other top 9 exports from China are duty free.
Am not.
(about as substantial as your post)
Tell us again how a US tariff on imported goods isn’t a tax on US consumers. Please.
You’re being stubborn, or you’re purposefully staying ignorant. Either way shows you’re not conservative...
So you want to increase the taxes US consumers pay on imported goods.
How are we going to tax ourselves into prosperity? It’s a simple question, and directly addresses what you want to do.
No need, you just did.
Nicely said. Now go buy something American.
Obviously $166 oil is better for our economy than $83 oil.
Presently only about 30% of all import goods are subject to tariffs in the United States, the rest are on the free list. The “average” tariffs now charged by the United States are at a historic low. The list of negotiated tariffs are listed on the Harmonized Tariff Schedule as put out by the United States International Trade Commission.[13]
the famous comeback ‘do you have a link’.
great debate style there
Sorry globalist, I’m not registered in your class.
Consumption taxes are good, as a matter of fact the USA lived on them for the first 80 years of its existence. If the tariffs collected off set the comparative advantage of using third world labor, around 10%, I would say that would be taxing our way to sanity. China can't retaliate because their tariffs are already sky high.
great debate style there
When I see a stupid claim with no backup, asking for a link is nicer than telling the other poster what an utter moron they are.
you’re just here for argument, you have no desire for anything else.
even the blind can see whats happening to our country.
Don't make stupid claims and I won't have any reason to argue.
even the blind can see whats happening to our country.
And some think the solution is even bigger government.
I happen to disagree.
All true but future generations will be brainwashed multiCulti style and wont have have enough brain cells left to understand your remark. We are shoveling shit against the tide
No you think the solution is to give foreign countries all our jobs, money and technology.
I don’t think we should do any of those things.
I also don’t think the solution to big government’s problems is to give government more power.
On your tombstone it will read -—
“He was a big government lover until the end even though it impoverished his sons and daughters and ruined his community and shut down half the factories. He was a man of principles. Idiotic principles and Obama proved this”
Free trade libertarian style between our 50 states where we have rule of law As far as other nations protectionism and we look out for ourselves USA
See the chart about 2/3rds the way down the page - it’s about $132 billion for ad valorem taxes (tariffs).
I saw that. Dig deeper.
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