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Prediction: Obama/Clinton vs. Romney/Haley in 2012

Posted on 10/09/2011 4:32:20 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

Despite what some may think, Hillary would help bring some momentum back to Obama. She is popular with independents, blue-dog Dems, and would mobilize the female vote. If Hillary refuses, then he may pick someone like Senator Kristen Gillibrand. (The holder of Clinton's former Senate seat in NY.)

If Romney were smart, he would seriously consider Governor Nikki Haley of South Carolina as his runningmate. (If she agreed to it.)

She has conservative, Tea-Party credentials and a previous Palin endorsement under her belt. I think she is impressive, but obviously nowhere near the energizer and "spark-filled," visionary person Governor Palin is.

I admire Haley, but am not her biggest fan. Something about Haley seems too "safe" to me. She is willing to tow the conservative line, but she's also very careful about not stepping on the machine's toes. She's also very deliberate about laying the groundwork for her political future. Hence why she never went out of her way to come to Palin's defense or tout her praises until AFTER Palin made the decision not to run in 2012. -- Hence why Romney would not mind working with Haley to bring his "less liberal than Obama, but still crony-driven agenda" forward.


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Still feeling deep loss over Palin's decision.
1 posted on 10/09/2011 4:32:25 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I predict I’ll not vote for Romney no matter what letter floats behind his name. I abjectly refuse to give liberals more power in Washington DC.


2 posted on 10/09/2011 4:36:18 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

if Romney wins the nomination and he picks some milque-toast RINO wuss for VP, he’ll lose the general election. The only reason McCain didn’t suffer a McGovernesque wuppin was Sarah Palin.


3 posted on 10/09/2011 4:36:36 PM PDT by wny
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I feel the same way. I thought she would see the state of the country and understand that it needed her. Not a whole lot of optimism, but we have to keep on moving forward.

Like Wendell Wilkie said..

“If any one man is indispensible, than none of us is free”

he said that about FDR. But it could be applied to any person in the United States ! including the people in the teachers union.


6 posted on 10/09/2011 4:37:24 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

no idea why that posted 3 times..


7 posted on 10/09/2011 4:37:55 PM PDT by wny
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

What in GODS name makes you think it’s going ot be Romney?


8 posted on 10/09/2011 4:38:15 PM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Oh sure, next we’ll hear Obama is golfing in Ft Marcy ark..........


9 posted on 10/09/2011 4:38:15 PM PDT by umgud
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I hated to see Sarah drop out, but I do believe it is best for her.

Things were getting downright dirty.

As for Romney, there is no one alive that can make him palatable to me.

Of course I would vote for Charles manson before I would vote for Obama, but it will take more than holding my nose, I might have to take a barf bag to the polls with me.


10 posted on 10/09/2011 4:38:20 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I think a Romney nomination makes a Tea Party candidate likely.

Then we get an outcome similar to 1992:

Baraq 42
Mitty 37
Tea 21

At this point defeating Mitty is the key to defeating Baraq.
Obama loses ANY two way matchup in my view. His 42% doesn’t hardly increase in a 2-way race.


11 posted on 10/09/2011 4:38:38 PM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: wny

what if he picks Nikki Haley, who identifies as Tea Party-sided and Evangelical?


12 posted on 10/09/2011 4:38:50 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Sarah Palin will have the last laugh.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Now there’s a match made in hell. They hate each other like rabid dogs.

I don’t buy it. Bummer didn’t pick her the 1st time because he feared for his life! Dumb ol’ Biden is his safety net.

“Still feeling deep loss over Palin’s decision.”

Don’t let it cloud your judgement. I said it that would happen. I was shouted down in fits of hate and panic. It was quite unpleasant. So where are the apologies? Nowhere, of course!


13 posted on 10/09/2011 4:39:49 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: nascarnation

you mean 96?


14 posted on 10/09/2011 4:42:14 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

If Romney wins the nomination, and Obama is the Dem candidate. I will vote for Mitt without reservation. Heck, I’ll campaign for him.


15 posted on 10/09/2011 4:44:18 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: wny

Romney will not win the nomination. Try Caine/Rubio for the slaughter. NO MORE RHINOS. Stop settling for what the MSM wants you to buy


16 posted on 10/09/2011 4:44:33 PM PDT by rjsclassics (bringing people together)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

We’re not apologizing because we know it was a very last minute change-of-heart decision on Palin’s part. It’s quite clear she wanted to run and was laying the groundwork (however unconventional) for doing so— until a recent turn of events and private reasons we won’t ever fully know...(probably some knowledge of GOP backroom issues we won’t be informed of for obvious reasons.)


17 posted on 10/09/2011 4:44:45 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Sarah Palin will have the last laugh.)
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To: kingu
I abjectly refuse to give liberals more power in Washington DC.

So I assume you consider Romney more left than Obama, cause that's exactly who'll we get if we don't get behind whoever is our nominee.

18 posted on 10/09/2011 4:45:16 PM PDT by mupcat
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Uh huh. So you guys were wrong but accurate, eh? Figures.


19 posted on 10/09/2011 4:46:20 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

No, we just can’t predict God’s plans. Palin was poised, prepped, and ready for action—but GOD did not hit the “go” button. It was ultimately HIS doing in the end, not hers.

And as for Obama/Clinton feud —> let’s just say desperate times call for desperate measures...


20 posted on 10/09/2011 4:49:49 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Sarah Palin will have the last laugh.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Romney will not win.


21 posted on 10/09/2011 4:51:31 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: mupcat
So I assume you consider Romney more left than Obama, cause that's exactly who'll we get if we don't get behind whoever is our nominee.

Not at all. What I do consider Romney to be is an energetic and connected political operative who lives for positive press and 'leadership' through reaching across to the other side. While 'Present' Obama is lazy, incompetent, and reactionary with little real political connections and the inability to provide leadership.

Since my major concern is the liberal policies being passed, not who's the biggest Marxist, I would literally vote for anyone other than Mitt Romney. I consider him to be a far greater threat to me and my beliefs than Obama ever will be.

I held my nose for the last time with McCain.

22 posted on 10/09/2011 4:52:59 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: MNJohnnie

but if he does get through the primaries and Nikki Haley (or Marco Rubio) is his runningmate, would you vote for him?

I wouldn’t. I’m that upset with the current status quo of the GOP more than the country at large even.


23 posted on 10/09/2011 4:53:18 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Sarah Palin will have the last laugh.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

too soon for Haley. She’d be Palinized.


24 posted on 10/09/2011 4:54:52 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: kingu

I echo your opinion and I can only hope more people feel the same if we ever want to truly challenge the GOP status quo and not fall for their “but look! Obama!” tricks...

That being said, how would you feel if Governor Nikki Halely or Senator Marco Rubio — two supposedly “real” conservatives were Romney’s runningmate?


25 posted on 10/09/2011 4:55:19 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Sarah Palin will have the last laugh.)
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To: ari-freedom

She’s a harder target for PC reasons (Haley is Indian-American) and far less polarizing (doesn’t have a Down’s Syndrome child or as spirited of a personality as Palin.)


26 posted on 10/09/2011 4:56:34 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Sarah Palin will have the last laugh.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Haley was just sworn in. Don’t be ridiculous. How about we skip Romney entirely, and just have Joe Arpaio/Mo Brooks ticket.


27 posted on 10/09/2011 4:57:35 PM PDT by montag813
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Hey, come on. You can’t just evoke God to stand behind your opinion. God isn’t a block of wood you can hold up in front of you as you fight your battles.

In capital letters no less. You know I disagree with what you are saying. You’re just saying God agrees with you and not me. I can’t find a word to express how uncool I find that.

Pray more. You are not a prophet.


28 posted on 10/09/2011 4:58:10 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“She’s a harder target for PC reasons (Haley is Indian-American) and far less polarizing (doesn’t have a Down’s Syndrome child or as spirited of a personality as Palin.)”

yes but she’d be yet another female governor that didn’t complete her first term. I don’t want another promising upstart to be ruined. If McCain didn’t pick Palin, she’d be still governor today and who knows what she would’ve been able to accomplish.


29 posted on 10/09/2011 5:00:27 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: kingu

“I predict I’ll not vote for Romney no matter what letter floats behind his name. I abjectly refuse to give liberals more power in Washington DC”

Ditto...also will not vote for Romney. However, at this point it is incredulous to believe that Hillary would run as Obama’s V.P.


30 posted on 10/09/2011 5:00:58 PM PDT by texteacher
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

That’s exactly what I said. That I’m not a prophet. I said it was His will that she made the decision she did in spite of what her initial intentions were. She said herself her final decision was made “prayerfully.” But to suggest she was not seriously leaning towards a run is a total disregard and ignorance of evidence, what her inner circle understood to be true and how they operated in light of her potential run, and her character. (She had nothing to gain from waiting as long as she did if only to announce she wasn’t running.)


31 posted on 10/09/2011 5:01:33 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (Sarah Palin will have the last laugh.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Your thoughts on this, JR?


33 posted on 10/09/2011 5:01:56 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, America’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Admittedly, the mass hatred of obama will probably push the anti-Romney's into voting for him...but why are we always left with an "anybody but" candidate?

Again, we are letting the msm, the democrats and the establishment GOP pick our candidate.

It will be very discouraging if Romney wins the primary and it will suck the very life out of the right.

It'll be McCain all over again...
34 posted on 10/09/2011 5:02:05 PM PDT by FrankR (What you resist...PERSISTS!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Wendell Willkie was the Republican nominee in 1940 but died before the end of the term he was running for--a victim of Tecumseh's curse without even winning the election. (His vice-presidential running mate also died in 1944 so wouldn't have completed his term.)

At the Yalta conference in Feb. 1945, Winston Churchill at one point mentioned how Willkie had visited and Churchill had given him a copy of his policy on something. FDR then asked, "Was that what killed him?"

35 posted on 10/09/2011 5:02:07 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Pointless post


36 posted on 10/09/2011 5:04:03 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
That being said, how would you feel if Governor Nikki Halely or Senator Marco Rubio — two supposedly “real” conservatives were Romney’s runningmate?

Does the VP suddenly assume control of the party, as is traditional for the President to do so? Does the VP make White House policy, or sit upon the President to keep him from making stupid decisions over and over again? I don't care how solid the conservative credentials are of a running mate second to Romney - If Romney wins the nomination, I won't be voting for them. I will do whatever I can to nullify that nomination.

We've seen how Romney's people operate; the purge of conservatives from the Republican party by a Romney leadership will be swift and vicious. The RINOS will protect their own, and get rid of the disruptive elements in the party.

It is not a negotiable point for me.

37 posted on 10/09/2011 5:05:12 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
I’m that upset with the current status quo of the GOP more than the country at large even.

Me too.

38 posted on 10/09/2011 5:05:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Governor Nikki Halely or Senator Marco Rubio

Both are extreamly good conservatives, but look what they did to Perry on immigration and Rubio's position is EXACTLY the same. Won't work. As for Nikki, she's great but doesn't have the excitement factor that Mitt would need. The only person who could put him even close to winning the general is Sarah and she won't do it, not with Mitt.

39 posted on 10/09/2011 5:05:30 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“No, we just can’t predict God’s plans. Palin was poised, prepped, and ready for action—but GOD did not hit the “go” button. It was ultimately HIS doing in the end, not hers.”

are you saying that Palin didn’t have any free will? Maybe the plan was that IF she worked on her candidacy instead of appearing on reality shows she would’ve been president.


40 posted on 10/09/2011 5:06:12 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: montag813
Haley doesn't have enough time on the job...but she would be a better pick than Mark Sanford if they have to have someone from South Carolina on the ticket.

If they have to have a Haley, go with Haley Barbour.

41 posted on 10/09/2011 5:06:12 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Dittos. I can’t go to the next step yet. No one moves me. Cain seems like a logical choice...but I don’t feel him. Not sure he would shake things up. In fact I think he would not! Bummed big time!


42 posted on 10/09/2011 5:11:17 PM PDT by carjic (I've always been taught to respect my elders.... but it's getting harder to find any!)
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To: Venturer

I’m not going to the polls to vote for Romney. I had enough of puke smell when McCain ran.


43 posted on 10/09/2011 5:12:17 PM PDT by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Romney will likely win the nomination. Today the GOP is badly split, and he will take dramatic steps to unite the base. The rising dark horse running mate choice - Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin. If not Walker, Gov. John Kasich of Ohio.

The most intense action, as we have seen since the Nov. 2010 midterms is at the state level. In my view, the strongest running mate choice is in the mid-west where the toughest battles are being fought against out of control government. Gov. Haley is good, but in a strong, red state. The front lines of this political battle will be in the battleground, and Walker is a great governor right in the middle of it.

Another prediction - the GOP will urge Rep. Michele Bachmann to run against liberal Sen. Klobuchar and pledge all-out support in a year where the liberals have many seats to defend, and Obama sucking up the big donors.


44 posted on 10/09/2011 5:12:34 PM PDT by untwist
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The GOP “establishment” does not cast votes in any primaries, grant anyone the opportunity to be on a primary ballot or not, nor determine what candidates do with their campaigns.

The candidates we have today are were we happen to be at in this election cycle. Rubio? McConnell? Ryan? Sanchez? All look great but they all have been in upper level elective politics for limited periods of time. They’re not ready yet. Ya know, kinda like the nincompoop we have in the WH today? We can’t run our own back-bencher against theirs after all the while pointing and shouting “wet behind the ears” for the last 4 years.

There is no Reagan at this time. Palin ain’t it and stop with the hand-wringing over her. None of the rest are either. There isn’t one in the race.

Now, this country has a cancer. We’ve been oh so shown evidence of it. WE HAVE GOT TO STOP IT. We’ve been given clear notice and a way to stop it.

I am so damned tired of the whining, bitching, moaning, and crying that has been going on. Grow the Hell up! Sometimes things don’t go the way you want them. It’s tough, but you make the best of it. Sitting at home, stomping your feet, and throwing a hissy fit like a 9 year old girl because “your” person didn’t raise enough money, or generate enough interest, or have the best arguments to win the primary is NOT how you do it.

Nobody is going to pick the nominee other than the voter.

And, if Romney is the nominee (as appears likely) I will crawl naked and on fire over broken glass and through cactus to vote for him AND all the GOP candidates running on the national level.


45 posted on 10/09/2011 5:13:20 PM PDT by JoenTX (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Romney is the moldy leftovers from 2008, he is toxic, he is poison!


46 posted on 10/09/2011 5:14:02 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Mirror image.


47 posted on 10/09/2011 5:14:10 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Why in the world would Hillary hitch her wagon to the Obambi train wreck AND play co-pilot to it? No way in he11 this happens. She (and Bill) could easily get Obambi in enough trouble to “have to step aside” so the party would “ask” her to be the lead nominee. Think about it.
48 posted on 10/09/2011 5:17:59 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

Not only that, but Slow Joe ain’t goin’ nowhere. He likes the Veep slot, and has nothing better on the horizon. They can’t just tell him he’s done. He could give damaging interviews. If he wants on the ticket—and he’s made it clear he does—he will be on the ticket.


49 posted on 10/09/2011 5:22:25 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Actually Perot got 19% of the pop vote in 1992.
The breakdown was 43/37/19.
That’s what I think a 3-way would look like in 2012 with Obama, Romney, and Tea Party.

In 96 Perot was much less of a factor - 8%.
It was more the weakness of Bob Dole that gave BJ the win.


50 posted on 10/09/2011 5:22:27 PM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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