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this one is making its rounds on facebook lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbJ-Fs1ikA&feature=player_embedded ^

Posted on 10/09/2011 6:23:06 PM PDT by mamelukesabre

any comments?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History
KEYWORDS: loophole; reagan; sourcetitlenoturl; wthisthis
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here's the link again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbJ-Fs1ikA&feature=player_embedded

1 posted on 10/09/2011 6:23:12 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

You’re gonna post crap from Stink Progress here?


2 posted on 10/09/2011 6:26:45 PM PDT by sauropod (William Kristol does NOT choose my presidential candidate!)
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To: sauropod

I just want to see if fellow freepers have the same reaction to it i do. I might be missing a relative or two after this one.


3 posted on 10/09/2011 6:28:14 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I think if the context is examined, we would find that Reagan was right in what he was saying, while 0dumbo is totally wrong.


4 posted on 10/09/2011 6:28:42 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: mamelukesabre

I’m not biting on an outside link without some information. “this one is making the rounds” isn’t much to go on.


5 posted on 10/09/2011 6:31:07 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman

seriously??

the link says youtube. relax.


6 posted on 10/09/2011 6:31:44 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Can we have some context please?


7 posted on 10/09/2011 6:33:21 PM PDT by Larry Lucido ("#Occupy America" is a great success! I got mail today addressed to "Occupant"!)
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To: Larry Lucido

All politicians are self-serving liars.


8 posted on 10/09/2011 6:36:05 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: mamelukesabre

Sounds like the same exact rhetoric to me.


9 posted on 10/09/2011 6:36:30 PM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: mamelukesabre
Reagan was pushing for lower and flatter overall tax rates, and closing loopholes. Obama is for higher top marginal tax rates and "closing" tax loopholes

Get the context now, dimbulb?

10 posted on 10/09/2011 6:37:23 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: mamelukesabre

We generally ignore link only thread starts here.


11 posted on 10/09/2011 6:38:52 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: mamelukesabre
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbJ-Fs1ikA&feature=player_embedded
12 posted on 10/09/2011 6:39:28 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: mamelukesabre

I don’t trust Thinkprogress.

But I do have a comment: “The leaves changing color are spectacular right now.”


13 posted on 10/09/2011 6:40:44 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: mamelukesabre
any comments?

None for now. You posted this.

Any comments?

14 posted on 10/09/2011 6:43:53 PM PDT by smithone
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To: mamelukesabre
I think Reagan was talking about the myriad of tax shelters which were huge business up until the 1986 reform. Getting rid of them for a flat tax wasn't a bad idea, though because he didn't really get a flat tax, we have crept back towards the status quo.

I haven't head Obama talk about closing income tax loopholes, I have just heard him whine about capital gains being taxed at a lower rate then income. It is dumber than dumb to think about taxing investment (capital gains is tax on invest revenue) when the economy is this broken.

15 posted on 10/09/2011 6:46:26 PM PDT by MrShoop
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To: mamelukesabre

Here’s the full speech

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1985/60685a.htm


16 posted on 10/09/2011 6:49:37 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: mamelukesabre

I heard this earlier - Obama and his ilk are very skillful at twisting words to defend their cause - typical lawyer speak. (Remember the famous “it depends on what the meaning of “is” is” statement.)

The guy lies - plain and simple - he has no honor.


17 posted on 10/09/2011 6:53:28 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mamelukesabre

There’s been very little said by Repubs or Dems until now about doing away the lower rate for long-term capital gains, as that was enacted to encourage investment.

Now, everyone from Warren Buffet to Obama is coming out of the woodwork with statements supporting some vague “higher rates for rich people” and “rich people pay less than poor people” ideas.

These are not specific change recommendations, but empty rhetoric thrown around for political gain.

The conversation is so idiotic it’s not worth thinking about. The correct response is always: hey, Congress enacted all the tax laws. What effective rate winds up being paid by every private citizen - rich or poor - is a result of Congress’s tax code. Don’t blame the rich guy - blame Congress.

What America really has is a government spending problem, not a tax rules or rates problem. Because the government has allowed itself to borrow, it has borrowed WAY out - perhaps a hundred years or more - out in front of it’s tax revenue.

The tax issue is a smoke screen to distract from the government spending issue. Like if we somehow made the tax payments more “fair” the government would not be broker than green company after it’s startup funding runs out.

So this whole thing is just stirring up poo that will get no one anywhere. Because the far left is not going to do well in the next election because so many people in America own stuff and they know the far lefties will take it from them if they have their way.

America is not a class warfare place because we’ve had too many years and generations of people living in the land of opportunity.

The class-warfare dog just don’t hunt except amongst the “flaky few”.

IMHO...


18 posted on 10/09/2011 6:53:34 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: mamelukesabre

Can we have some context please?


19 posted on 10/09/2011 6:55:38 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (welcome dies irae)
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To: mamelukesabre

Of course the missing context is that with this same 1986 tax reform Reagan was talking about, he lowered the top nominal tax rate for individuals to 28 percent from 50 percent.

So closing some tax loopholes, while lowering taxes by an incredible amount. His tax reform was never meant to increases overall taxation on any group.

That makes him the exact opposite of Obama


20 posted on 10/09/2011 6:56:06 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: sauropod

>You’re gonna post crap from Stink Progress here?<

I have a problem watching any of their crap, even if it is a Youtube vid. I am just adding to their click points and view numbers..


21 posted on 10/09/2011 7:04:50 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: MrShoop
Everything you say is true, but remember in this speech, Reagan was advocating and LOWERING THE TOP INCOME TAX RATES, exactly the OPPOSITE of what Obama has been proposing since he took office.

So sorry, NO SALE!

22 posted on 10/09/2011 7:07:44 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Mark Levin rips this to shreds.

The real Ronald Reagan obliterates Obama’s version of Reagan

23 posted on 10/09/2011 7:12:10 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Sexy Sarah, what have you done? You made a fool of everyone.)
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To: mike_9958; Larry Lucido; bigheadfred; InvisibleChurch; cicero2k; Nonstatist; Huck; smithone; ...

To hear Mark Levin demolish this, please click the link on post #23.


24 posted on 10/09/2011 7:17:58 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Sexy Sarah, what have you done? You made a fool of everyone.)
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To: mamelukesabre

I’m not worried about the security. It’s that you may be wasting my time.

When a suggestion to visit an outside link is made. It is polite to provide at least a wee little bit of context.

I expand on my original comment: There is a lot of stuff “making its rounds on facebook” which is of no material value. If I am interested in Presidential candidates, then a youtube on the unwashed in NYC is of no concern to me, or perhaps vice versa.


25 posted on 10/09/2011 7:21:28 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Thanks. I knew there would be much more to it. It is easy to rip a 10 second sound bite from its context.


26 posted on 10/09/2011 7:28:47 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: Mount Athos

Thanks for posting that link.


27 posted on 10/09/2011 7:43:23 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

The real story is how Tip O’Neil and the Left outright lied to Reagan on their intent to cut spending in return for tax hikes......

Dem’cats Lie........a fact of life. They have to, its what they are.


28 posted on 10/09/2011 7:55:11 PM PDT by sbark
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apples and oranges. obama is comparing the capital gains tax rate to income tax rate. a thoroughly dishonest comparison by any measure. reagan was comparing the income tax loopholes of the rich and the income tax of everyone else.

OBAMA: capital gains vs. income tax
REAGAN: income tax vs. income tax

reagan was right to do what he did, and he was successful. obama is totally corrupt and is comparing apples and oranges because he can make it sound like the rich aren’t paying ANY taxes. when in fact, the top .1% pay more than the bottom 80%!

obama...is...a...fraud! so is think progress.


29 posted on 10/09/2011 9:41:40 PM PDT by rickranger
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To: mamelukesabre
Yes, my comment is President Reagan had a Democrat Congress. Did Regan's Democrat Congress close the loop holes?

One day America's voters may wake up to the fact that everything in the tax code is the result of decisions taken by 535 Representatives, 9 Supreme Court Justices, and 1 President.

Protesting Wall Street is meaningless. Protesting the Representatives who succumb to the influences of corporation’s lobbyist and Wall Street in exchange for generous campaign contributions can be effective.

The grass roots Tea Party Movement directs its protests where it matters. The uniqueness of the Tea Party makes them entirely different than the “Occupy Wall Street” protest. The Tea Party is unique because it is not asking the government to give them something.

30 posted on 10/10/2011 5:48:24 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Levin totally failed to demolish it. I’m interested in knowing more about Reagan’s 1985 statement, but Levin didn’t elaborate on that at all. He simply claimed it was taken out of context, without providing any context, and then plays a lengthy clip of Reagan’s “Time for Choosing” speech. That’s a classic speech. It’s also irrelevant to this discussion.


31 posted on 10/10/2011 6:33:33 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: Huck

>>Levin totally failed to demolish it.<<

You obviously weren’t listening. Clean the wax out of your ears and try again.


32 posted on 10/10/2011 8:09:50 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Sexy Sarah, what have you done? You made a fool of everyone.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Another vote here for “context, please”.

Random “hey, look at this” links are usually a waste of time and are duly ignored.
(Responses like this are due to the act of responding being more interesting than the average random “hey, look at this” link.)


33 posted on 10/10/2011 8:17:05 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Listened to the whole thing. Reagan's 1960s Goldwater speech has nothing to do with what he said in GA in 1985. Levin is trying to change the subject. He takes an argument about closing loopholes and turns it into Obama is no Reagan.

Well duh. But that doesn't say anything about Reagan's statements in 1985. You may have fallen for Levin's misdirection, but I didn't.

34 posted on 10/10/2011 9:29:14 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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To: Mount Athos; EmilyGeiger

there’s nothing in that speech about loopholes. The soundbite of reagan talking about loopholes must not be from that speech you linked to.


35 posted on 10/10/2011 3:59:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Larry Lucido

I bit and followed the link. Seen it was the knucklehead and did not even turn up the volume. just x’d out and returned....


36 posted on 10/10/2011 4:04:51 PM PDT by sit-rep
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To: Larry Lucido

yes you may. read this thread, there’s plenty of context here.


37 posted on 10/10/2011 4:06:08 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Nonstatist

You must be responding to someone other than me. I was not asking you for any context.


38 posted on 10/10/2011 4:07:52 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: smithone

why did you post that?


39 posted on 10/10/2011 4:10:20 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mike_9958

I can believe that someone would make a video with a Reagan soundbite taken out of context. But what is shocking to me is that so many people INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT actually think it is a valid point and honest debate to do something so fraudulent. I am just shocked. Utterly shocked. That is why I put this on FR. For some reason there are some freepers that are behaving rude towards me for doing so. That equally as shocking to me.

I sure would like to see more freepers elaborate on this. This video I linked to is just stunning to me, but I had no idea some of the comments I would get would be equally stunning.


40 posted on 10/10/2011 4:16:26 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: InvisibleChurch

yes. read this thread.


41 posted on 10/10/2011 4:17:31 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: the_Watchman

who’s wasting who’s time?


42 posted on 10/10/2011 4:19:09 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: max americana; sauropod

that sounds very similar to a child sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling “na na na, I can’t hear you”.


43 posted on 10/10/2011 4:20:24 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Reagan advocated for closing loopholes that allowed millionaires to pay little to no taxes. Obama is advocating millionaires paying an even higher percentage of their income than they already do. It's not the same thing, it's just edited to make it look that way.
44 posted on 10/10/2011 4:33:07 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: mamelukesabre
seriously??

He is the Watchman you know. The Watchman can never be too careful when he is observing.

45 posted on 10/10/2011 4:37:28 PM PDT by Sawdring
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“this one is making the rounds” ....

Back around 1984 I knew a girl at a bar who had the same reputation.........Fortunately everyone was aware that she had herpes........

46 posted on 10/10/2011 4:57:39 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: mamelukesabre

Heywood nails this thing to the floor.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-liberal-misappropriation-of-a-conservative-president/


47 posted on 10/10/2011 5:02:46 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: mamelukesabre
“For some reason there are some freepers that are behaving rude towards me for doing so”

yeah I found that to be true as well. I wouldn't put trolls past the idea of passing themselves off as Freepers and trying to disenfranchise conservatives with extreme views or outright insults.

Stay true - your post was great.

48 posted on 10/10/2011 5:03:52 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mamelukesabre

Why do you ask why I posted that?


49 posted on 10/10/2011 5:35:26 PM PDT by smithone
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To: mamelukesabre

Thank you for the very informative title and avoidance of the shift key.


50 posted on 10/10/2011 5:36:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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