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Dig team find proof there were Picts on the Brough of Deerness before the Vikings
Orkneyjar ^ | Thursday, August 11, 2011 | Sigurd Towrie

Posted on 10/12/2011 4:10:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

One of the most significant discoveries of this year's dig is conclusive evidence that the earliest viking houses, thought to date from around AD900, were preceded by a Pictish settlement.

Previously -- excavations were carried out in 2008 and 2009 -- a number of Pictish artefacts had been found on the site, but there was no actual proof that the Picts lived there...

One question that has yet to be answered though, is what happened in the transition between the Pict and the viking villages, and, as yet, no evidence has been found of an integration between the two.

"In terms of the contact between the vikings and the Picts, we've got this massive Viking Age settlement dug into a Pictish site, without there being evidence of a horizon of the mixing of the two cultures," said Dr Barrett... "We've seen that the viking settlement replaced what was there before. Having said that, there are a few caveats, and the first is we've found Pictish-style pottery in the Viking remains. We also don't know whether the viking settlement immediately followed the Pictish settlement, or whether the Pictish settlement had been abandoned for some time before the vikings came."

...What is clear, however, is that the foundations of the 30 viking structures, still visible through the grass, were contemporaneous and were well entrenched in the Brough, which points to an enormous investment of labour...

"Some of the things from the site are objects that have to do with its existence as a chiefly settlement and there are others which are just about the people who lived there and the lives they led, and one of these is a viking gaming board," said Dr Barrett.

"It's actually a Hnefatafl board, a viking game which is a cross between draughts and chess.

(Excerpt) Read more at orkneyjar.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: caledonia; godsgravesglyphs; orkney; pictish; picts; vikings
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The excavation team on the Brough of Deerness. (Frank Bradford/www.frankbradfordpix.com)

Dig team find proof there were Picts on the Brough of Deerness before the Vikings

1 posted on 10/12/2011 4:10:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 10/12/2011 4:13:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Whew! I’m glad we got THAT settled!


3 posted on 10/12/2011 4:16:20 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: SunkenCiv

This could only mean one thing: viking housewives were tidy and didn’t keep any dead Picts lying around.


4 posted on 10/12/2011 4:19:02 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: ChocChipCookie

I was expecting to see several species of small furry animals gathered together and grooving the pict. I was happy to Barrett mentioned, of course. Oh...wait...


5 posted on 10/12/2011 4:22:18 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: SunkenCiv

This thread is useless without Picts

(sorry)


6 posted on 10/12/2011 4:24:55 PM PDT by kidd
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To: SunkenCiv

Keep digging!


7 posted on 10/12/2011 4:28:25 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SunkenCiv
Maybe we should have National Be a Pict Day
where you strip naked, paint yourself blue and jump and down and scream at your neighbor (Who should celebrating too by screaming back!)
8 posted on 10/12/2011 4:34:41 PM PDT by Reily
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To: yup2394871293

I have a bone to pict with those Vikings.


9 posted on 10/12/2011 4:37:27 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Never play poker with the plumber at Buckingham Palace. He's got a Royal Flush.)
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To: Reily

Hmmm...sounds suspiciously close to Be a Smurf Day.


10 posted on 10/12/2011 4:40:07 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Austrian achievement: convincing world that Hitler was German and Beethoven Austrian)
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To: SunkenCiv
The headline reminds me of an old Mad Magazine saying: It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide.

Except Mad Magazine's made sense.

And seriously, I don't mean to offend any picts, Broughs or Deernesses.
11 posted on 10/12/2011 4:40:36 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: Pharmboy

The nakedness and the scream manically make all the difference!


12 posted on 10/12/2011 4:43:32 PM PDT by Reily
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To: kidd

Yes. Picts or the chess game never happened.


13 posted on 10/12/2011 4:46:58 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cool! Rugged folk.


14 posted on 10/12/2011 4:53:53 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

SANDAY SYMBOL STONE

The Pictish symbol stone was lying prone, under the floor of the property, and appears to have been damaged during the construction of the house, possibly in the 19th century.

Approximately 4ft 6in long, the stone is thought to have been made in the 8th century AD, when Christianity was being brought to Orkney. The carving shows both a Christian cross and a Pictish “sea creature” symbol.

15 posted on 10/12/2011 5:11:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv

What no Picts?


16 posted on 10/12/2011 5:26:08 PM PDT by lmsii (No hope, and now no change in my pocket.)
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To: Reily
Maybe we should have National Be a Pict Day where you strip naked, paint yourself blue and jump and down and scream at your neighbor

They call that Super Bowl Sunday.

17 posted on 10/12/2011 5:34:24 PM PDT by RonF
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Audience Participation is Good!

18 posted on 10/12/2011 5:37:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks! I hadn’t seen that one. What an interesting site. I noted that “Viking” is never capitalized. :’)


19 posted on 10/12/2011 5:38:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Brough o’ Deerness
http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/broughofdeerness/


20 posted on 10/12/2011 5:39:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fred Nerks; blam

Hmmm...my Y-chromosome haplotype R1b1b2a1a2f* is very common on the Orkney Islands. Perhaps I have some Pictish blood in me (although I don’t look bluish).


21 posted on 10/12/2011 5:53:48 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Austrian achievement: convincing world that Hitler was German and Beethoven Austrian)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Sid is currently busy setting the controls for the heart of the sun.

Please leave a message.


22 posted on 10/12/2011 5:58:43 PM PDT by Salamander (Alice Cooper hit me with a stick.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Ummagumma...


23 posted on 10/12/2011 6:05:19 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I believe that most of those who lived in Scotland were ethnic Picts with the Scottish representing the Celtic leaders who established themselves in the eyes of foreigners as leaders of a nation but never the real rulers of much of the highlands of what is now Scotland.

And yes a Picture is worth a thousand words.


24 posted on 10/12/2011 6:25:23 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: yup2394871293

There were Christian monks living in caves in Southeastern Iceland when the Vikings (or, more accurately, Norwegian explorers) landed there in the mid Ninth Century. Almost no trace of them was left behind, either. It’s either a strange coincidence, or you are correct about the neatness of Viking housewives!


25 posted on 10/12/2011 6:25:44 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: Pharmboy
I think the Picts were just earlier R1b's and 'H's'. No-one can seem to find a Pict 'gene'.
26 posted on 10/12/2011 7:02:39 PM PDT by blam ((Deliberate Cruelty Is The Worst Of Human Offenses - Kenko))
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To: SunkenCiv

Quite an attractive property. Nice view, but it doesn’t look like the basement would flood very often.


27 posted on 10/12/2011 7:06:52 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: blam

That’s just nit-picting.


28 posted on 10/12/2011 7:08:20 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293; SunkenCiv

When someone Picts me a ‘softball’, I slamb it.


29 posted on 10/12/2011 7:11:04 PM PDT by blam ((Deliberate Cruelty Is The Worst Of Human Offenses - Kenko))
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Thanks...you saved me the trouble....;)


30 posted on 10/12/2011 7:34:54 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Tainan

Cheers! Nothing like some good old Pink Floyd. The Dr. Barrett mentioned n the article was a grand bonus.


31 posted on 10/12/2011 11:08:37 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; kidd; RonF

I’m appalled at your attempts at humor on such a important subject.

Archeology in the Orkneys requires serious Pict and shovel work.

O woad! Woad is me!


32 posted on 10/12/2011 11:15:06 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Some time ago there was a study done on the origin of place names in the north of Britain. The purpose was to see if any trace of the Pitcish language had been left behind as they integrated with the Vikings. Apparently no trace was found in this study and the authors concluded that the Picts had been entirely wiped out and had never integrated.


33 posted on 10/12/2011 11:17:42 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: wildbill
"Archeology in the Orkneys requires serious Pict and shovel work."

On a serious note. Professor Stephan Oppenheimer says that there's actually an R1b Orkney marker. The Orkney male marker (Vikings) spread to Iceland along with the female markers from Ireland...that's where they got the women, Ireland. (Some as wives, some as slaves)

34 posted on 10/13/2011 12:54:06 AM PDT by blam
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To: Del Rapier

“And yes a Picture is worth a thousand words.”

Wasn’t it originally “a Pict is worth a thousand woads”?


35 posted on 10/13/2011 2:44:25 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv

“One question that has yet to be answered though, is what happened in the transition between the Pict and the viking villages, and, as yet, no evidence has been found of an integration between the two.”

I’ll take slaughter for 500, Alex.


36 posted on 10/13/2011 2:45:26 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Seriously, Prof. Oppenheimer needs to get a new day job.

The world economy is faltering and somehow professors keep getting funding for R1b Orkney markers that exist in probably twenty-seven people.

I have no doubt that Orkney males had to drag women from Ireland, kicking and screaming in horror, to those barren ilses.

It’s a long woad to tip an O’leary.


37 posted on 10/13/2011 7:07:58 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill

You’re just Pict (ing) on me.


38 posted on 10/13/2011 11:04:28 AM PDT by blam
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To: wildbill; Berlin_Freeper; BipolarBob; blam; ChocChipCookie; Cincinnatus.45-70; Del Rapier; ...

I caber lieve how many FReepers have made Pict jokes, nearly a dozen, and tanistry more than I would have believed possible.


39 posted on 10/13/2011 4:57:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: wildbill

> It’s a long woad to tip an O’leary.

That was a great setup as well. [hat tip]


40 posted on 10/13/2011 4:59:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Grimmy

That's a great big bingo ya got there. :')
Science, Reason and Critical Thinking

41 posted on 10/13/2011 5:03:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

I knew you would have a good source for this...thanks. So, the fact that my favorite color is blue means nothing...


42 posted on 10/13/2011 5:06:03 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they HAVE to...)
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To: Reily

Round here, we call that “Wednesday.”


43 posted on 10/13/2011 5:09:20 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!!)
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To: blam

Well, like they say, you can Pict your friends and you can Pict your nose but you can’t Pict your friend’s nose........


44 posted on 10/13/2011 5:15:05 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: SunkenCiv

Whys everybody always Picting on me?


45 posted on 10/13/2011 5:33:23 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Grizzled Bear
wow...sounds like a great time!

My Wednesday aren't that much fun!

46 posted on 10/13/2011 5:37:09 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Hot Tabasco

Can you pick a Pict with a pick?


47 posted on 10/13/2011 5:39:45 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
My Wednesday aren't that much fun!

They aren't? Shouldn't you be living the life of Reily?

48 posted on 10/13/2011 5:46:19 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!!)
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To: Pharmboy
"I knew you would have a good source for this...thanks. So, the fact that my favorite color is blue means nothing..."

It could but you'd be hard pressed to prove it.

I kidded my mother and her Southern accent for years...she would say, "You need a haar cut." Then I discovered that haar is Old German for hair. (I wonder where that would lead, lol)

Also, I read a while back that the Southern accent in the US is closer to the accent of the English of the 16-17 century, moreso, than the English spoken by the English themselves today. So....

There's little doubt that, "When in Rome, do as the Romans", leads all the way back to Roman times, eh?
Your preference for blue may have a similar long history. I do strongly believe that these sorts of things persist in families, clans and cultures.

It's Always Something. (IAS)

49 posted on 10/13/2011 5:51:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: Grizzled Bear

I should....but its all done with mirrors!


50 posted on 10/13/2011 6:01:34 PM PDT by Reily
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