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Perfect fossil could be most complete dinosaur ever
New Scientists ^ | 13 October 2011 | Jeff Hecht

Posted on 10/16/2011 7:07:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Dinosaur fossils don't come much more impressive than this. With 98 per cent of its skeleton preserved, this young predatory theropod from southern Germany may be the most complete dinosaur ever found. Oliver Rauhut, curator of the Bavarian State Collection for Palaeontology and Geology in Munich, announced the find yesterday.

Although Chinese bird and dinosaur fossils are famed for delicate details such as their feathers, they don't match this 72-centimetre-long theropod in terms of clarity and completeness of preservation.

The young dinosaur has been dated at 135 million years old, putting it in the early Cretaceous, but it has yet to be named and described formally. It will go on show to the public at the Munich Mineral show, which starts on 27 October.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: cretaceous; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; fossils; geology; germany; godsgravesglyphs; mesozoic; paleontology; theropod; youngearthdelusions
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Perfect fossil could be most complete dinosaur ever

1 posted on 10/16/2011 7:07:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Wow. Looks like they used some kind of computer aided mill to clean this specimen up.


2 posted on 10/16/2011 7:11:37 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SunkenCiv

Clinton would date it.


3 posted on 10/16/2011 7:11:51 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Look at that bone structure.

Completely random....it was all a product of "evolution" by a force of....well......lots and lots of time....and.....somethingorother.

No "God" was involved in making that!

Nosiree!

That fact that it cries out "Designed" is just delusion on the part of the "religious."

4 posted on 10/16/2011 7:14:05 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SunkenCiv
Almost...

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5 posted on 10/16/2011 7:15:15 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SunkenCiv
72 cm = about 29 inches

So the critter is about the size of a piece of typing paper with its tail hanging over. Big whoop!!

6 posted on 10/16/2011 7:16:50 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: skeeter

Yeh...kinda doesn’t look right...


7 posted on 10/16/2011 7:18:00 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SkyPilot

Yes, all the life on earth has so much sameness to it. Some think that the random process would have some strangeness and extreme diffrentness in the designs but NO!


8 posted on 10/16/2011 7:19:12 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: SkyPilot

So if complex structures, by their very complexity, require a designer, tell me who designed the designer?


9 posted on 10/16/2011 7:20:45 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: SunkenCiv

10 posted on 10/16/2011 7:25:00 AM PDT by Daffynition (“There are no compacts between lions and men, and wolves and lambs have no concord.” ~ Homer)
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To: EGPWS
..saw this story on der Speigel this morning...FP with Merkels' picture...LOL
11 posted on 10/16/2011 7:29:47 AM PDT by Daffynition (“There are no compacts between lions and men, and wolves and lambs have no concord.” ~ Homer)
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To: muir_redwoods; SkyPilot
"So if complex structures, by their very complexity, require a designer, tell me who designed the designer?"

It is obvious that your question only applies to 'designers' that are constrained by the dimension of time. (i.e., 'natural designers' such as evolution, extraterrestrials, etc.) Further, you can only exclude an 'unconstrained designer' by assuming naturalism 'a priori'; but that is a philosophical choice, not a logical conclusion.

IOW... while you have designed your question to appear logical it is actually firmly rooted in fallacy.

Make sense?

12 posted on 10/16/2011 7:38:27 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Renfield; decimon; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield!

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


13 posted on 10/16/2011 7:38:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: skeeter

It’s done by hand, sometimes with a dremel tool type thing.


14 posted on 10/16/2011 7:48:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
via Google Translate:

Sensational find in Bavaria For the first time a complete dinosaur skeleton discovered in Europe Namenloser Raubdinosaurier: 72 Zentimeter langes Jungtier Zur Großansicht DPA

Nameless predatory dinosaurs: 72 inches long juvenile

From the largest discovery in Germany since the Archaeopteryx is the speech: In Bavaria, paleontologists have discovered the best-preserved dinosaur skeleton in Europe - 98 percent of the bones are present. One trick ensures that it can not leave the country. Info

Kelheim / Munich - Europe's best preserved dinosaur, the fossil has been discovered in Bavaria. The still unnamed predatory dinosaur (theropod) was 98 percent complete, and thus also one of the world's best-preserved finds, Oliver Rauhut, said curator at the Bavarian State Collection for Palaeontology and Geology , in Munich on Wednesday. The roughly 72-centimeter-long cub was lying in Kelheim, Lower Bavaria.

As a scientific sensation, the fossil is also because young animals are found extremely rarely, and even skin and hair pieces are still preserved. Now it is presented to the public, on 27 October at the Munich Mineral Show. It will then be on display for four days.

Under the leadership of an international team Rauhut created a first report on the sensational discovery. "The 135 million year old fossil is of paramount scientific importance," said the dinosaur expert. Many fossils have been found so far in China. "From a distance, see the often very completely. On closer examination, one sees, however, that the bones in preserving them is so great."

The new find is true only in two dimensions, but the bones and many anatomical details are very well preserved. Compared with other fossils 98 percent completeness are extremely good. "The best preserved Tyrannosaurus skeletons, we have, so about 80 percent and that is really outstanding," said Rauhut.

German culture

Theropods, which include the famous Tyrannosaurus, are among the rarest of dinosaur finds. A large part of the identified species is known only from fragmentary remains, said the spokesman for the Mineral, Dan Ravasz.

ANZEIGE

The dinosaur was also a young one, you find only very rarely. "It is very difficult to know how old he was. A newly hatched Tyrannosaurus would have had about this size." He could also have been up to a year old. That it was a young animal, you look at the size of the skull, the proportions and the surface of the bone. Findings on young animals are particularly important for researchers to understand evolutionary mechanisms.

Even the hair findings are significant. Hair and fiber structures in dinosaurs have been around for years, the focus of many studies have since made them well during the first Archaeopteryx developed traditional springs. "In summary therefore say that this is probably the most significant new theropod fossil archosaurs on German soil since the discoveries of the ancient bird Archaeopteryx," said Rauhut.

The skeleton was found a year or two. For exact location and the owner, a German who wanted Ravasz any details. The fossil was registered as a German heritage. Although this reduces the financial value of drastically, and the dinosaurs may not leave the country. For this he is but the science in Germany and the public remain permanently. Presumably to the fossil, still get a scientific name must be later given as a loan to a museum.

15 posted on 10/16/2011 7:49:01 AM PDT by Prospero
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To: EGPWS

Ew!


16 posted on 10/16/2011 7:51:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Hey, I like that graphic clipping gizmo, I’ve often thought that would be an excellent feature to build into the HTML spec...


17 posted on 10/16/2011 7:52:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Daffynition

Whoops, never mind.


18 posted on 10/16/2011 7:53:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks Daffynition.
Thanks Daffynition.

19 posted on 10/16/2011 7:54:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Prospero

Thanks Prospero.


20 posted on 10/16/2011 7:55:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Sacajaweau

When will you humans figure out that size doesn’t matter?


21 posted on 10/16/2011 7:56:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: muir_redwoods
So if complex structures, by their very complexity, require a designer, tell me who designed the designer?

Well then, the only "logical" answer is that, even the designer was a result of random acts of nature. Which then begs the question, 'was nature the result of random acts of nature?'.

Myself, I've always wondered how random acts of nature could come up with such things as, for example, a knee, which seems to have a design and a purpose. Think about "purpose" along with "design", and then, see if there doesn't seem to be a purpose with the designs?

It's like, there's a purpose behind every design. Random acts of nature don't have a goal or a purpose in mind.
22 posted on 10/16/2011 7:56:31 AM PDT by adorno (<)
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To: GourmetDan; SkyPilot; mountainlion; muir_redwoods

The ex cathedra claim that a designer is required is also a priori, and by that standard has nothing to do with logic.

The Religion forum here on FR is the best place to have those kinds of discussions.


23 posted on 10/16/2011 7:59:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

In before the Helen Thomas pics!


24 posted on 10/16/2011 8:00:06 AM PDT by MortMan (Half the people make more than the median income in this country!)
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To: EGPWS

Darn you to heck!


25 posted on 10/16/2011 8:01:58 AM PDT by MortMan (Half the people make more than the median income in this country!)
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To: MortMan

It was a relief that the suspense didn't last long.

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26 posted on 10/16/2011 8:03:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Daffynition

27 posted on 10/16/2011 8:03:51 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SunkenCiv
She looks so much younger there, bless her heart.

My how the millennia have flown.

28 posted on 10/16/2011 8:07:04 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SunkenCiv
Provenance?
29 posted on 10/16/2011 8:10:31 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: skeeter

It’s Dino...Still got the newspaper under it chin where he dropped it...


30 posted on 10/16/2011 8:11:07 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: JoeProBono

Reverse the colors and it’s Barney!


31 posted on 10/16/2011 8:11:11 AM PDT by null and void (Day 997 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Perfect fossil could be most complete dinosaur ever

Dear, Dirka, Dirka, and Dirka,
I'm changing my will.

I wish to be buried under the upper bottom of the Mississippi 50ft below.

Payment enclosed.

32 posted on 10/16/2011 8:11:41 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: GourmetDan

Not the least bit of sense, but thanks for trying.


33 posted on 10/16/2011 8:13:54 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: SunkenCiv
It’s done by hand, sometimes with a dremel tool type thing.

Um, it's "Thingy" not just thing. Show some respect.

34 posted on 10/16/2011 8:14:38 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: SunkenCiv

So you defer to an unnamed other authority and have no answer. Thanks


35 posted on 10/16/2011 8:16:27 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: SunkenCiv

I know a good name for it! Ida! No? Oh yeah, that’s been done, missing link, missing half, big money.


36 posted on 10/16/2011 8:29:05 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: SunkenCiv

A Helen Thomas pic? Et tu, Civ?

BTW, that fossil was singing Sweet Adeline.


37 posted on 10/16/2011 8:33:38 AM PDT by decimon
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To: JoeProBono; SunkenCiv
I have a bone to pick with youse two guyz...WTH is that?


38 posted on 10/16/2011 8:34:45 AM PDT by Daffynition (“There are no compacts between lions and men, and wolves and lambs have no concord.” ~ Homer)
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To: SunkenCiv
The ex cathedra claim that a designer is required is also a priori, and by that standard has nothing to do with logic.

How can the subject of God as the creator be "ex cathedra" when God is expressed in the affirmative, but in your world view to consider His very work is to be dismissed as illogical?

You used 50 cent words to say this: 'I don't even want to consider God, so I won't even consider it - and if you even bring it up, I'll attack the messenger as being unscientific and illogical.'

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, because what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them."

Romans 1: 18-19

39 posted on 10/16/2011 8:40:32 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SunkenCiv
ex cathedra? priori?

You do not make much sense. Spell check doesn't even like your words. Nice picture though.

40 posted on 10/16/2011 8:47:27 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: muir_redwoods
"Not the least bit of sense, but thanks for trying."

Said the guy who uses logical fallacy as argument...

41 posted on 10/16/2011 8:57:31 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Outside space and time the designer has no need of having been designed.


42 posted on 10/16/2011 9:07:39 AM PDT by onedoug (lf)
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To: Daffynition

43 posted on 10/16/2011 9:07:49 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SunkenCiv
"The ex cathedra claim that a designer is required is also a priori, and by that standard has nothing to do with logic."

Unfortunately, you have violated your own standard. You have assumed a designer for that post 'ex cathedra' and 'a priori' and therefore without logic. On what basis did you do that and why would it not also apply to your claim above?

44 posted on 10/16/2011 9:09:11 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: SunkenCiv
" it has yet to be named and described formally."

I suggest "Buster."

45 posted on 10/16/2011 9:09:47 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Democrats: the Party of NO!)
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To: JoeProBono
Well, it appears to have been a male, lol. In the spirit of marketing this thing, I suggest a cute sort of “pet” name reminiscent of popular tv shows, maybe Scooby. That would provide a nice tie in to a variety of pet products, not just Milkbones.
46 posted on 10/16/2011 9:19:43 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Daffynition

The bone beneath the jaw appears to be a hyoid apparatus. The one encircled beneath the pelvis is the ischium.


47 posted on 10/16/2011 9:21:19 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter (I ou)
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To: Daffynition

“I have a bone to pick with youse two guyz...WTH is that?”

Nylon Chew Toy.


48 posted on 10/16/2011 9:51:15 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t know what all the arguing is about. That is just a beautiful dinosaur. I’ve never seen anything like it. Look at that spinal column! Breathtaking! It is much easier to relate to than the giant ones you see in the big museums.

I think I’d call him Baby.


49 posted on 10/16/2011 10:47:07 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Texas Songwriter
Sow you say. What kind of a mother sends her kid out without a jacket?


50 posted on 10/16/2011 10:50:58 AM PDT by Daffynition (“There are no compacts between lions and men, and wolves and lambs have no concord.” ~ Homer)
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