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Obama Is Alienating Catholic Voters
St. Louis PD ^ | 101311 | Colleen Carroll Campbell

Posted on 10/18/2011 7:42:32 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand

Catholics make up about a quarter of the American electorate and have backed the popular-vote winner in every presidential election since 1972. That track record continued through 2008: While weekly churchgoing Catholics slightly favored Sen. John McCain, Catholics as a whole backed President Barack Obama by a margin of 54 to 45 percent.

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TOPICS: Food; History
KEYWORDS: catholics; election2012; obama; obamacare; romancatholicism; zerocare
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To: BillyBoy
Take away the so-called "socially conservative" Hispanic Catholics and a majority of Catholics (Polish, Irish, Italian-Americans, etc.) did NOT vote for Obama

No offense but that's just plain nonsense.

21 posted on 10/18/2011 9:13:11 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: El Cid
C’mon, let's not give the Roman Catholics all the credit.

The Catholic vote is special in Obama's case because it was (imho) delivered in exchange for the fulfillment of Ted Kennedy's nationalized healthcare dream. That's why Catholics got the positions they did in the cabinet, and the token Catholic became VP.

22 posted on 10/18/2011 9:15:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I didn't realize Mr. Obama had Catholics in his Cabinet. I just figured they were just the usual gaggle of atheist Marxists, and people had spent their lives in Academia.
Of course when a Mrs. Pelosi and the late Ted Kennedy can masquerade as 'Catholics' it kind of diminishes the distinction between atheists and God-fearing people. What does it take to get someone excommunicated? I acknowledge that a socialist 'could' be a Christian (in theory ... although in practice they often turn Government into their god) ... but not someone who goes whole hog supporting abortion (without any caveats) and homosexual 'marriages', and is quick to deal in lies...
23 posted on 10/18/2011 9:28:36 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid
there are reasonable-sounding theories about a communist infiltration into the Church in America in the '50's I guess...and plenty of anecdotal evidence following, not least limited to The Influence of Saul Alinsky on the [Catholic] Campaign for Human Development, as I trust you're aware.
24 posted on 10/18/2011 9:45:13 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand
No offense but EVERY single study verifies my statement. Read it for yourself. A majority of non-hispanic Catholics voted AGAINST Obama:

The exit polls divided voters into "all Catholics" or white, non-Hispanic Catholics. Fifty-two percent of white Catholics supported McCain, and 47 percent voted for Obama. Majorities of white Catholics also voted for Bush in both his elections, by 56 percent in 2004 and 52 percent in 2000.
Latinos nationwide voted for Obama by 67 percent to 31 percent for McCain.

Most Irish/Italian/Polish/Slovak/German, etc. Catholics = OPPOSED Obama

Most Mexican/Puetro Rican/Latin-American, etc. Catholics = SUPPORTED Obama

That's the facts and that's what the data shows about the so-called "socially conservative latinos"

25 posted on 10/18/2011 9:52:49 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Re: 24

I believe it. Especially regarding the Jesuits. There didn't seem to be a communist movement in Latin America that they didn't support.
For some reason a lot of unsavory groups targeted the Catholic church for infiltration. Communists, and homosexuals. The pedophile events that plagued the church were the results of homosexuals that had infiltrated their priest ranks.
The crux of the problem is lack of church discipline and lack of excommunications. Turning a blind eye to apostates in the midst of the church is destructive.

26 posted on 10/18/2011 10:09:47 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: 353FMG

I’m a Catholic. I am not socially liberal. Not liberal at all. And I am definitely NOT one of the 52% that voted this drek into the Oval Office.


27 posted on 10/19/2011 6:25:09 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (In Memphis on January 20, 2009, pump price were $1.49. We all know what happened after that.)
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To: NCC-1701

Neither am I, but I know of many well-meaning Catholics who voted for Bambi and will probably do it again.

Why? Please don’t ask me — I wish I knew the answer.


28 posted on 10/19/2011 11:53:59 AM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: BillyBoy

>Maybe Republicans should stop pandering to ethnic groups and focus on appealing to the Catholics who actually ARE “socially conservative”.<

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The GOP should not have to appeal to “socially conservative” Catholics — it should be second nature for them NOT to vote for those who promote abortion and same sex marriage.


29 posted on 10/19/2011 11:59:07 AM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Claire McCaskill (D-Missouri) is a prominent member of my “Catholic” parish in suburban St. Louis, MO. AND, I would guess about 80% of my parish voted for oBOMBa. Disgusting.


30 posted on 10/19/2011 12:01:14 PM PDT by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: NVDave
The authentic social justice teachings of the Catholic Church reflect a European right wing perspective, and the European Right is very, very different from the American Right. Since America didn't have a party based on European right wing ideology the Democrat party was the closest they could find.

Don't forget though that white Southerners also voted solidly Democrat for almost a hundred years and a number of "Jeffersonian" palaeoconservatives still reminisce about the pre-FDR Democrat party as the truly "conservative" party (neo-Confederates are now claiming the Republican party was founded by Communist revolutionaries from Central Europe).

31 posted on 10/19/2011 12:06:06 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Entirely correct. The Democratic party changed as a result of that huge influx of Catholic immigration about 100+ years ago. The southerners that held on to the post-FDR era were the last vestige of the old Democratic Party. The 20th century Democratic Party’s canons and platforms became aligned with the “social justice” ideas of the Catholic Church by the 1960’s and they’ve been getting more and more extreme ever since.

Now we have the same sort of infection happening in the RNC, ala all the northeastern “moderate” Republicans. I’m well weary of hearing these planks of the RNC that sound like something straight out of a papal encyclical. National Review is a great example of this on display for all to see.

My ancestors left Europe to get away from this unctuous papal twaddle. I have the right to be left alone by Catholics, and the First Amendment says that I don’t need to suffer under some state-mandated religion. I’m four-square in favor of making a point that we who view the Constitution in originalist terms draw a line, and that line starts with telling the RNC that no, we don’t need any more pandering to Catholics and their social justice doctrine by politicians.


32 posted on 10/19/2011 1:02:05 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: 353FMG

EXACTLY.


33 posted on 10/19/2011 1:04:47 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: the invisib1e hand

Exactly right.

Rhode Island and Massachusetts are both strongly non-hispanic Catholic. RI is majority Catholic and MA is slightly less than 50% Catholic. Looking at the voting records of those states and who they send to Congress tells us everything we need to know here.


34 posted on 10/19/2011 1:10:09 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: demsux
You live in St. Louis? Godspeed.

Something weird in that state, what with Sebelius and Planned Parenthood, etc. I have a hard time defining the locus of evil anymore. It used to be so easy. Now it's Pinellas County, Florida, and it's Chicago, and it's St. Louis...etc.

35 posted on 10/19/2011 1:25:21 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: NVDave; wideawake
Entirely correct. The Democratic party changed as a result of that huge influx of Catholic immigration about 100+ years ago. The southerners that held on to the post-FDR era were the last vestige of the old Democratic Party. The 20th century Democratic Party’s canons and platforms became aligned with the “social justice” ideas of the Catholic Church by the 1960’s and they’ve been getting more and more extreme ever since.

You're completely missing my point. Catholics and Southern planters embraced a European, almost feudal worldview that was hostile to capitalism from the Right rather than from the Left. As I said, European Rightism is very different from the American variety. It is anti-capitalist, preferring the pre-capitalist system just as Leftists prefer a "post-capitalist" system.

The European Right very much believes in "social justice," but in an ancient, organic, and Catholic form. This is different from the liberalism of the Democrat party. But since America didn't have a party that embraced this view in its totality they seized on the Democrat party as being as close as they could get. Catholics today have drifted Left with the Democrat party. That party tends to do that to its members.

Again, Catholics and Southern agrarians regarded the Republican party and its big city Hamiltonian capitalism as subversive. I don't agree with this, being a nineteenth century Hamiltonian Republican myself, but this is how they saw it.

And again, though I think it's nuts, some old time Democrats claim that the Republican party was subversive and Marxist from the beginning and that the Democrat party is the party of "true conservatism." I disagree, but that is their position.

At any rate the current liberalism of the American Catholic Church doesn't come from the Catholic tradition but from the Leftward drift of the Democrat party. And I'm one of the most anti-Catholic posters on Free Republic.

36 posted on 10/19/2011 2:18:40 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The southern agrarian Democrat viewed the bankers and Hamiltonians of the North through the perspective of debt and monetary antics the likes of which we’re seeking today.

Remember, the only POTUS (that I know of) who paid off the national debt was Stonewall Jackson, who, BTW, sacked the central bank of that era. Check out what happened in the 1830’s in agricultural markets and land in the US. Bankers, were as usual, to blame.

IMO, the view that the Hamiltonians were subversive was the correct view, just as those suspicious of the Fed are now pretty much correct that it is screwing the public for the benefit of the bankers. Central banks exist to prop up bankers, not to benefit the population at large. Now, just as in Jackson’s day, the banks have speculated and lost, and they want to use the central bank to absorb their losses.

The problem today is that both parties view the Fed as something that can’t be questioned and both parties step-n-fetch for the bankers’ every whim.

I’m not sure I agree with your view that agrarian southerners of the pre-civil war era (and certainly not the post-war era) embraced a European feudal worldview. There’s a difference between the lord/vassal and plantation/slave/indentured servant views of the world. The plantation owners weren’t charged to defend their slaves/servants from invaders and depredations of invaders, as the lords of medieval Europe were.


37 posted on 10/19/2011 3:02:59 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave
The debt was paid by Andrew Jackson. Stonewall Jackson was the Confederate general.

Hamiltonianism is the true American conservatism. It put America on its feet under Washington and Adams and the first Bank of the United States (1791-1811) signed into law by George Washington was very much a part of that.

Since you share the European right wing view of capitalism that the Catholic Church and antebellum South shared, I am scratching my head at why you bash the Catholic Church or the Democrat party, since that seems to be your natural home.

38 posted on 10/19/2011 3:25:49 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Because, as I said, the party was changed by the wave of Catholic immigration in the late 1800’s to about 1920 or so. A huge wave of immigration swelled the eastern cities, mostly from places like Ireland, Italy, Greece, et al, and that started the hard-core union movement, which then morphed into the labor movement as we saw from the Depression until the 80’s.

Since Vietnam, the DNC morphed yet again, and now it is the home of the “bobo” class, along with a bunch of racial minorities who are beyond gullible. The Democratic Party has been plenty happy to change what they believe in on the spur of one electoral cycle to remain in power. Before 1930 or so, they were four-square for segregation. Now they want people to forget that they used to be for segregation and before that, pro-slavery. In the 1920’s, the Democrats were anti-immigration, and then in the 60’s, Ted Kennedy decided that they need to be for immigration. The Democratic Party has only one firm belief: that they need to stay in power, regardless of the cost. Other than that, all principles (such as they are) are negotiable and easily disposed of when they cost too much.


40 posted on 10/20/2011 4:38:31 PM PDT by NVDave
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