Posted on 10/19/2011 6:53:00 AM PDT by truthkeeper
The high-powered New York lawyer hired by an anonymous donor to represent the parents of missing baby Lisa Irwin gave an interview this morning, alongside the family's private investigator, to tout the couple's innocence in spite of recent claims that the mother may have been blackout drunk on the night of the 10-month-old's disappearance.
Federal aviation officials have also stepped into the search, by temporarily restricting flights that go over a wooded area near the Missouri couple's home, where authorities are now searching for the fourth time in hope of clues.
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I realize you are no longer married to this woman but I'd like to give my opinion on your statement: If she was supposed to be watching your children but was asleep - she put them in danger. It wouldn't matter if she was drunk or just taking a nap.
And I'm kind of shocked that you think a bottle of wine wouldn't be enough to get someone drunk - "dangerously" was your term. I'm not a big drinker and a bottle of wine would be enough to, at the very least, cause me to get sleepy enough to be out. I woule never make to to several bottles of wine - I'd be throwing up well before that. Alcohol does that to me - I will be sick for days (which is why I really don't drink much)
You are right in the other comments - this woman did admit to being drunk many times - saying she is known to just go to sleep - so drinking to the point of being drunk is a part of her life.
I think she was not paying attention - the child died somehow and the baby daddy helped dispose of her and is lying. They are both going down for this
I have kept both of you on the Baby Lisa ping list. :-)
She was drinking with the next door neighbor, who also has a young child. The older children were supposedly watching tv I think - so they were awake. Wasn’t this a school night? Shouldn’t those boys have been bathed and in bed by 9pm at the latest?
You should watch the ID Channel. It will make you cautious. Very cautious.
Just heard on Fox news that the cops showed up at parents’ house today armed with their search warrant, shovels, rakes, and dogs. They have been digging in the backyard, piling up the dirt, and sifting through it.
—You should watch the ID Channel.—
What is that?
I will say that what I’ve learned to do is filter the “scary news” stuff. When I hear an “identity theft” commercial coming on the radio I immediately change the channel. I know that hearing the same thing, over and over, makes you believe it more, even against your better judgement. It means that anything that I cannot really do anything about, I don’t want to know about, unless there is a productive thing I can get out of it.
I live in an area where there are quite a few lightning storms. I don’t know anyone that has ever been struck by lightning, but I still avoid things like playing golf in a lightning storm. If I watched a lot of stories about people that were hit by lightning and follow up stories about the survivors, I’d be petrified. But I don’t, so I’m not. :-)
on please
They must have something we don’t know about that leads them to believe the parents know what happened to this little girl.
Or else, they don’t have any other suspects.
So far, I haven’t heard enough to convince me that the mom or dad are guilty.
But that could be because we haven’t heard all the facts.
:-)
Did you watch Megan Kelly’s interview with Deborah?
The boys and her neighbor’s 4 year old daughter were watching a kids’ video that evening while the mommies were drinking. Video babysitter.
The home is a crime scene ... that fact alone gets them a search warrant. They haven't had a warrant to this point because they had the cooperation of the parents. Now that the parents have an attorney, the cops better damn well cover all of the bases, and a proper search warrant falls into that category.
All I know is that I would be searching high and low for my child ... anyone wanting to interview me would have to do so on the move.
For the life of me I don't understand these two baby-makers (I have a hard time calling them 'parents') are sitting around like bumps on a log, being interviewed by the media.
No. I don’t have TV.
Deborah told Megan she was drunk.
yes...this is certainly not a new practice, but it seems to be more commonplace and widespread now.
Just read some of the mommy bloggers.
In the sixties, for me, Mommy time was a cup of tea and Time magazine while they took their afternoon nap.
Some people are really stupid and Deborah apparently falls into that category with ease. It is said that she won't talk to the police any longer and I can only guess that is because she doesn't want to self-incriminate in any way. HOWEVER, talking to Megan Kelly, Barbara Walters, Nancy Grace....any reporter whether video or print on Deborah's part is the SAME as talking to the police. They can and WILL use her comments to Megan Kelly, etc., in court to convict her if need be and it is perfectly legal to do so. It has been done many times before in high profile criminal cases. I suspect Deborah may be a narcissist and enjoying all the attention she's getting...negative though it might be.
So what? Your kid is missing and maybe you have some information the police need to find them. You’re going to clam up and risk losing a chance to get your kid back because you are afraid the police are going to go after you?
I’m guessing you don’t have kids, because, even though I don’t have kids, I at least realize that normal parents wouldn’t even have to think about that choice.
Well, if you’re not making a stand, I guess I don’t see what point you are trying to make. Not talking to cops is great advice in most situations, but when you are desperately asking the police for help, it seems like very foolish advice.
Think of another situation. You and a friend are attacked in an alley and your friend is killed. The attacker drops the murder weapon and runs away. You call the cops, they arrive at the scene. Do you tell the cops what happened and describe the attacker or just clam up and say “I want a lawyer”? I’d say that’s a no-brainer if you are innocent.
That’s true, I was wondering about the other kids too. Also, what about the person/persons that mommy was drinking with? Who were they, how many, did they “black out” too, or leave, when did they leave, etc.
I have a feeling this is just the first of many details from mommy’s story that will be changing.
My daughter seemed to always be asleep - I worked when she was small so I wanted her awake as much as possible. I quit working when I had my son and he NEVER slept.....;^)
“Well, except you might want to talk to the cops if your baby is missing and you know that you are innocent... that is if you actually want them to find your baby.”
Unless you are John and Patsy Ramsey. They lawyered up first chance they got. What is worse the cops did not find Jonbenet in the house in the first search. As you recall, after Patsy’s death DNA evidence has cleared them both. It only proves it is best in a case like this to get a lawyer no matter if you are innocent or guilty.
In the 60’s? As in the 20th century? Oh come on you both are killing me! That trick is centuries old! Before there was cough syrup there were herbs to put babies to sleep! Cough syrup was just easier to use! Just buy it at the local drug store as apposed to picking it in the field and grinding it up.
Sudafed isn’t going to put anyone to sleep, tho. It’s a stimulant.
Whether she is guilty or not, once you tell them what you know about the child, it never a good idea to talk to the cops.
They are looking to convict someone, and far too often they don’t really care about the guilt or innocense of the person they have targeted.
If one of my kids was missing I would be a complete basket case. The mom's behavior just doesn't seem normal given the circumstances.
I agree with you on all counts.
—Not talking to cops is great advice in most situations, but when you are desperately asking the police for help, it seems like very foolish advice.—
I agree. But the key word is “desperately”. But I would also try to examine what skeletons I have in my closet before I did. The Police are like a very powerful piece of machinery. One of my neighbors lost his son to a piece of farm machinery about 14 years ago. His dad couldn’t get to the power source to shut it off in time. The kid was dragged in, cut up and squished like a grape. He was innocent, but the machinery didn’t care.
—Do you tell the cops what happened and describe the attacker or just clam up and say “I want a lawyer”? I’d say that’s a no-brainer if you are innocent.—
Regarding that situation, watch the video I linked to. It IS a brainer. And you may want to talk to an attorney. You are there, the weapon is there, and there is a dead guy. The rest of your life could depend on what you say when the cops get there. And most people are murdered by someone they know. The first thing the cops are gonna pursue is that you did it and are blaming it on an unknown attacker.
The video is not only very enlightening, but very entertaining. He uses real life examples of completely innocent people that tell the cops completely innocent things that end up creating a trail that gets them convicted. And often, nobody is lying to get you in trouble. Rather, sincere people just remember stuff wrong or articulate it wrong and, coupled with certain interpretattions of what you say, make you look guilty as sin.
Sorry Morgana, Palladin and I aren’t as old as you apparently....
In this cae, I don’t think that the problem is so much about talking to the police who are looking for the daughter, the problem that made it necessary to lawyer up was that the parents kept doing interviews with the media.
Those media interviews can be used in court. That is why Joe Tacopina was hired with the help of some anonymous person.
He now does the talking.
She was drinking with her next door neighbor who has a 4 year old. The 4 year old and the two boys were in the house watching a video. Don’t know what time the neighbor left (supposedly around 10:30) and don’t know when the boys went to bed. Father’s story has changed, though. First he said he came home, checked on boys in their room, then checked on Lisa, who was gone, then woke up Deborah. Then he said he got home, went and woke Deborah (who was hard to wake), asked about lights being on and window. She jumped out of bed and they checked and saw Lisa gone. She says her son was in her bed with her. Someone (or both) is/are lying. Stranger abductions of babies from the home are very rare.
I’m just saying that if you did watch the ID Channel (Investigation Discovery Channel) you would be cautious because you would see there are a LOT of evil people out there.
However, if you don’t want to be so concerned you absolutely don’t want to watch it.
Can’t watch the video at work right now, but I’ll check it out later.
“The first thing the cops are gonna pursue is that you did it and are blaming it on an unknown attacker.”
Sure, but they’ll be checking you out whether you talk or not. If you talk, they might actually catch the real perp, if you don’t, chances are he is in the wind, and you are left holding the bag, at least that’s what I figure.
The Ramseys were a very exceptional case, because many of the details gave the police every reason to suspect the Ramseys, despite the fact that they were innocent. Sure, it can happen, but formulating some rule of behavior based on such an improbable circumstance is silly.
Yeah, it just doesn’t smell right to me. The cell phone story was fishy enough, now with the changing stories, if I were the investigator, I’d be focusing on those two pretty hard.
—If you talk, they might actually catch the real perp...—
I agree, assuming an hour has not gone by. Obviously every situation is different, but after watching that video I am VERY cautious about talking to the police about pretty much anything. To be fair, the video reinforced a few views I already had, but added a lot more and really put teeth to them.
Bottom line is that the police are like a gun - very powerful and it’s very easy to accidentally shoot yourself or a loved one if you are not careful with them.
From my understanding, the most dangerous person in a child’s life can often be the unwed mother’s boyfriend.
He has two older children. He didn’t marry their mother.
He’s not married to Deborah, yet. And being “engaged” doesn’t count. For all practical purposes anyone can get married within a few weeks time, if they feel compelled to do so. A wedding is not necessary, when there are three children that need the stability of a marriage as a foundation, especially because they were all born out of wedlock.
I’d look at the father of the child, who is also the boyfriend, in this case.
Right you are! I think I meant Benadryl, which many young parents who travel by air give their kids before a flight.
I don’t use any pharmaceutical substances, so I really don’t know one from the other.
Hah! You are probably as old as my granddaughters. ;)
The father in this case looks to me like one unfortunate stiff. The expression on his face says: “What the hell did I do moving this girl in with me? Everyone told me what she was. I am really screwed now.”
For the record, he was at work at the Starbucks all night. There is video establishing this fact.
Of the two older children, one boy is his, one boy is hers. He is the third or fourth “partner” this girl has had since she was 17.
For the record... we don’t know when the little girl disappeared or when she died. He could have still been the part of any crime that took place within the home, up to and including committing murder. And even though it’s not a firm part of “the record” either, I’m pretty certain she’s dead.
I don’t have much pity for him. He impregnated her and stayed with her, even brought his son into the home.
And I’m sorry about the confusion regarding the parentage of the older two children. I had read differently and went with that information. If people would just marry, have children, remain married and not move on to a new roommate that they shack up with and start a new family with, it would be much easier to keep track of.
There I go... wanting people to behave in a civilized fashion! I’ll never learn.
I don’t know - are your grandchildren old? I am...;^)
Here is a weird ABC story on possible sightings of a baby in a diaper in the area on the night in question.
I'm still thinking something happened that night while the Mother was drunk - she called the husband in a panic or her brother and someone helped her concoct the kidnapping story
I agree...Tacopina will take any murders case. Too bad about Van derdhoot as he went on to kill again
Imagine that. A rich person with connections to the family comes out of the wood work.
New York lawyer Joe Tacopina greeted a People magazine reporter enthusiastically after a news conference Monday. Apparently, they had worked together after Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 in Aruba.
Lisa’s parents stood sullen and silent behind Tacopina and Stanton as they held court for a slew of media. It was Tacopino’s introductory performance in Kansas City.
Reporters, photographers, videographers and probably a few producers for the national media crammed onto the lawn of the Kansas City home where the family appeared. The mail carrier had trouble finding a place to park his delivery truck.
Neighbors, probably as disgusted as they were curious and worried, drove slowly by.
This isn’t how Baby Lisa’s story will be resolved.
Tacopina insisted that he came on board after deep analysis and many questions for Baby Lisa’s family. Only when he was convinced of the parent’s innocence, he said, did he begin traveling.
I think it’s the exact opposite.
Baby Lisa Irwin Missing: Mother of Child Now Being Described as ‘Mistrustful’
The mother of 10-month-old Lisa Irwin is now being described as “mistrustful,” as investigators focus their attention on the little girl’s Kansas City, Mo., home.
“She was my friend at one time and I loved to be around her, but when I [saw] the other side of her and got to know the true Debbie, I couldn’t even believe I trusted her with anything,” said Shirley Pfaff of her former best friend Deborah Bradley, according to The Huffington Post.
Pfaff explained that she was surprised by little Lisa’s disappearance, but not by the inconsistent statements provided by Bradley.
“I am not shocked that her story has changed like the wind,” she said. “That’s typical Debbie.”
The former best friend who now lives in Erie, Pa., said she and Bradley met while they were military wives at Ft. Bragg, N.C., and lived across the street from each other. Bradley’s and Pfaff’s children played together and the women soon became close friends.
“When the story broke, it was a normal morning in my house,” Pfaff added. “I got up, put on a pot of coffee and turned on ‘Good Morning America’ like usual and I ... heard ‘Deborah Bradley.’ I immediately thought, ‘This can’t be the Debbie I know.’ It just seemed unreal until I walked back into the living room after hearing her voice. I just about collapsed. It just made me sick because I just wouldn’t put this girl Debbie past anything crazy.”
Baby Lisa Irwin attorney to KC police: ‘Stop whining’
Read more: http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/baby-lisa-irwins-parents-kc-police-stop-whining/#ixzz1bQpQAkF6
I think you are correct - he’s looking for his Baez moment. The longer it takes to find the body of this baby the better her chances are of getting away with whatever happened. And admitting her drinking bing(s) is a way to get out to the public that she was unable to care for the kids but make it appear not to be important
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