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Sovereignty and Terrorism

Posted on 10/19/2011 10:14:59 AM PDT by orthodoxyordeath

I would just like to get opinions on sovereignty. How do we reconcile sovereignty with the threat of terrorism. How do we deal with terrorists not in our how country? Is the argument that the if a nation doesn't allow people to combat terrorists, they are essentially harboring terrorists which is a crime?

I'm just curious how to formulate an argument around this. My class is having a Model UN Security Council simulation. I hate the UN, and I want to defund it, but I've found that these Model UN debates have helped me formulate coherent arguments and practice public speaking. So if you guys could give opinions or ideas, that'd be awesome.

TOPICS: Education; History; Military/Veterans; Society
KEYWORDS: military; sovereignty; terrorism

1 posted on 10/19/2011 10:15:02 AM PDT by orthodoxyordeath
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To: orthodoxyordeath

Terrorists, under the traditional definition, are “stateless actors,” so you need to be careful when discussing sovereignty. States that aid and abet terrorists are, in effect, declaring war by proxy.

2 posted on 10/19/2011 10:20:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Some nations are not really nations; they are regions on a map. They may have a “government” but that government has no power to enforce legal actions beyond the capital. This is true of Somalia, Yemen, and probably Pakistan. There are probably legal niceties to take into consideration when crossing their boundaries to go after a terrorist. But those will vary from country to country. There are two ways to attack; covertly and overtly. The first has inherent plausible deniability and the second usually doesn’t as people will read “US Army” on the side of the vehicles used.

If a country really does have control over its territories, Syria, say, and they are harboring terrorists, then you must produce whatever legal extradition papers are required. If Syria fails to turn over the terrorists then you must convince them to do so by making non-compliance expensive in whatever way you can. If your president is prepared to do so, he can use military force, which may carry expensive and long-term repercussions.

There is no fits-all answer. These actions must be taken on a case-by-case basis.

3 posted on 10/19/2011 11:01:30 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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