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Vanity: Is Ron Paul anti-Semitic?

Posted on 10/19/2011 4:48:20 PM PDT by goodwithagun

I've heard the accusations, but is it true? I don't support him for POTUS by the way, I'm just curious what others think.


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1 posted on 10/19/2011 4:48:23 PM PDT by goodwithagun
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To: goodwithagun

He took and kept money from Stormfront. That tells you something right there.


2 posted on 10/19/2011 4:51:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: goodwithagun

My impression is that he hates equally. He’s been pushing for the US to stop foreign aid to all countries, defund the UN, etc. for 30+ years.


3 posted on 10/19/2011 4:52:34 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: goodwithagun; Absolutely Nobama

Yes. period.


4 posted on 10/19/2011 4:53:21 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: goodwithagun

Just plain nuts IMO


5 posted on 10/19/2011 4:53:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: goodwithagun

No more so than Pat Buchanan . . . OOPS! LOL


6 posted on 10/19/2011 4:55:42 PM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: goodwithagun

I don’t know if he is anti-Semitic, but he is definitely NOT pro-Israel.


7 posted on 10/19/2011 4:56:05 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: goodwithagun

He just proposed last night pulling the rug out from under Israel our greatest ally.... claiming our foreign aid is making them dependent.

He also parroted radical Islamic arguments in a previous debate that got his ass booed real good. (claimed that it is our involvement overseas and support of Israel that brought us 9/11.)

Does he use derogatory labels like Hymie or Jew pig like other anti-semites? no... but he doesn’t sound like he is any friend of Jews or Israel.


8 posted on 10/19/2011 4:57:25 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Retired Greyhound

I think that’s right: he is mainly just INDIFFERENT about Jews, Israel, and foreign policy in general.


9 posted on 10/19/2011 4:58:58 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: goodwithagun

Typical Big Media Ploy to insert into the record stupid irrelevant accusations against conservatives:

Sir, experts have said [insert stupid irrelevant accusation] How do you respond.


10 posted on 10/19/2011 4:59:40 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Sudetenland
‘member that joke about one of Pat's relatives died in the Holocaust (fell out of a guard tower).
11 posted on 10/19/2011 5:09:19 PM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: goodwithagun
I reluctantly say he is. Reluctantly because I want a return to our gold standard and other things he supports.

His antisemitism is a little bit bizarre, too. While contemporary antisemites play switcheroo and say the Jews and the new Nazis, Rep. Paul has a variation on that where sympathizers of Jews; i.e., those that wanted to build another holocaust memorial are Nazis, also.

He also doesn't want Israel to bomb Iran (as if it is any of his business) because if Israel does, Red China will dump our dollars. Not to mention his sympathy for Iran itself.

While Howard Dean returned a donation from an antisemitic group; Ron Paul intead took it and their views on the Middle East may be similiar.

12 posted on 10/19/2011 5:10:10 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Retired Greyhound
I don’t know if he is anti-Semitic, but he is definitely NOT pro-Israel.

6 million of the world's 13 million Jews live in Israel. Hard to separate the two.

13 posted on 10/19/2011 5:11:25 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: DManA

Ron Paul is absolutely not anti-semitic and it’s unfair to even make such an accusation. He is intellectually honest and there is not a hint of hate or dis-ingenuousness in him.

Go, Herman, go.

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14 posted on 10/19/2011 5:12:19 PM PDT by bobk333
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To: Stepan12
Only good thing about Dean is he came up with a convincing argument for the death penalty in certain cases.

Given that his wife is Jewish if he's anti-semitic he might have some personal reasons ~ but otherwise, he's enjoys a good baby killing every now and then.

The suspicion has been that his wife is an abortionist and he's into that for personal reasons as well.

In short, Dean is as weird as they come. But you knew that.

15 posted on 10/19/2011 5:15:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bobk333

Ron has a personal toleration for anti-semites that’s over the horizon. The man is not to be trusted on any issue involving Jews.


16 posted on 10/19/2011 5:17:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
In short, Dean is as weird as they come. But you knew that.

I hope no one gets the illusion that I am a Dean supporter. I did vote for Bush (43) twice and I thought him friendly to Israel.

I still personally like him though Bush (43) comes for some nasty criticism even on the cyberpages of the Free Republic.

17 posted on 10/19/2011 5:20:31 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

So if you don’t support Israel you’re anti-Semitic?
I don’t care about France either, am I anti-Gallic?


18 posted on 10/19/2011 5:23:56 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: goodwithagun

Ron Paul is pro-Constitution, not anti-Semitic.

For a historical perspective, when John Quincy Adams served as U. S. Secretary of State, he delivered this speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on July 4, 1821, in celebration of American Independence Day.

“And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.

She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.

She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.

She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.

But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.

She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.

She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.

The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....

She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

[America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.”

http://www.fff.org/comment/AdamsPolicy.asp

Oh, how far we have come from our fathers principles.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 5:24:28 PM PDT by born2bfree
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To: buccaneer81

He said it was better for him to spend it than to give it back to skinheads.


20 posted on 10/19/2011 5:26:02 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Stepan12
There are a bunch here who think the war in Iraq was all about Israel ~ when actually it was about Saudi Arabia.

Saddam Hussein had weakened his country's military so much it was obviously just a matter of time until the Iranians restarted the previous Iran/Iraq war.

That would put Iraq's oil, as well as that of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States at risk of being taken over by Iran.

Can't have that.

The Farleftwingtards in the Democrat party buy into the "about Israel" thesis so much they come off looking like the anti-Semites they really are. The guys over here just hate giving money away (fighting a war or providing military aid) when it involves Jews.

Bush(43) is being attacked ostensibly for spending too much money on a Middle Eastern war. It's really about the hatred or dislike his critics have for Israel or Jews. You'll find the same folks supporting Ron Paul ~ who is equally anti-Semitic.

21 posted on 10/19/2011 5:27:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: goodwithagun
Ron Paul has lent his name to newsletters over the years that contained comments that were considered racist and anti-Black. They also published an accusation that Mossad may have been behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

I don't think those represented Paul's actual thoughts and feelings, just those of the people he trusted. But he didn't care enough to exercise the proper oversight or control over how his name was used. I'm not aware that he repudiated the articles or fired the people who had them printed.

I suspect it's the same with this Stormfront controversy. He didn't solicit money from Nazis or endorse their platform or associate with them. When pressed he repudiated their support. But the feeling is that he wasn't as on top of things as he should have been or as sensitive to what people regard as ... well, ... sensitive matters.

22 posted on 10/19/2011 5:28:03 PM PDT by x
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To: EEGator
"So if you don’t support Israel you’re anti-Semitic?"

Yes.

"I don’t care about France either, am I anti-Gallic?"

Yes, but nobody will hold it against you.

23 posted on 10/19/2011 5:28:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: EEGator

What do you think about the Skolt?


24 posted on 10/19/2011 5:28:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: goodwithagun

Unabashedly anti-Israel. Hard to argue that he isn’t pro Palestinian and pro Iranian. So much so that he reminds me of Jimmy Carter. there could be fresh bodies in the street from a mentally disabled suicide bomber tricked into martyrdom and both Carter & Paul couldn’t find a way to condemn the perps. I Suspect they both receive funding from those sources. I love what he has to say financially and constitutionally but that’s it. Could only vote fr him if it was him or Obama in the general. Hope he never makes it that far.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 5:31:34 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: goodwithagun
There are those who believe as an article of Faith we must send American tax dollars to Israel.

Ron Paul doesn't want to send money anywhere therefore Ron Paul won't send money to Israel therefore he must be anti-semitic.

That's the loopy argument I've always seen.

If there's something else, it's been lost to me in the noise above.

26 posted on 10/19/2011 5:38:20 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey

The real question is: Does Ron Paul wish to treat Israel differently than he would treat other countries?


27 posted on 10/19/2011 5:44:40 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: muawiyah
There are a bunch here who think the war in Iraq was all about Israel ~ when actually it was about Saudi Arabia.

Because of the America hater and appeaser in the Whitehouse now, Iraq is becoming a satellite of Iran. And this so-called Arab Spring is more like an Ahmadinejad Spring with his view predominating there.

If a Republican were in the Whitehouse now, this probably wouldn't have happened (unless the Republican was Dr. Paul, of course).

28 posted on 10/19/2011 5:45:53 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: goodwithagun

Nope Ron Paul is everyones crazy old uncle that shows up at reunions and everyone avoids him


29 posted on 10/19/2011 5:47:32 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: muawiyah

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31 posted on 10/19/2011 5:53:48 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: 1malumprohibitum

RP made the argument that it was OK for Iran to have nukes because they need them since Israel has them.

Rather than sticking to his (equally idiotic) concept of non-intervention, he chose to morally equate Israel ( a country that has established peace agreements with Arab countries Egypt and Jordan and exhibited a determination to establish peace in the region) with Iran (a country that has THREATENED not only Israel but also Arab countries Saudi Arabia and Iraq as well as sponsor INTERNATIONAL — not intra-regional — terrorism)

At the last debate he also argued against intl aid because of the example of our support of Egypt that is now likely to bite us in the butt. Again he equates a dictatorship with a Democracy.

This leads to the conclusion that RP is either stupid and naive or he can’t help but be anti-Israel.

Some might say he is consistent, but stubborn consistency in favor of common sense is IMHO no different than school districts that say “that’s our (zero-tolerance) policy”


32 posted on 10/19/2011 5:55:23 PM PDT by Optimist
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Oh well then.


33 posted on 10/19/2011 5:56:58 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: goodwithagun

Not only is he anti-Semitic, he’s racist, sexist, homophobic, a Soros clone, steals from the poor and gives to the rich, and secretly Meghan McCain’s love slave.

Nice job in putting the slur back on the table, just as Cooper took that Paul was against ONE country in the entire world from Ron Paul saying “I would cut all foreign aid.” If Paul is anti-Semitic, Romney is anti-Mormon.


34 posted on 10/19/2011 5:58:20 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: EEGator
So if you don’t support Israel you’re anti-Semitic?

You'll find a lot of people feel that way and will trash anyone trying to have rational discussions about Israel's government policies on their own merits.

Many of these same people have a Faith view that America must support Israel no matter what policies it undertakes, no matter that statements its elected leaders make.

I find that view antithetical to the fundamental idea there are moral absolutes, right and wrong, but that's some people's personal Faith position and they will savagely attack those who don't share their viewpoint.

For them Israel can do no wrong, is above any and all criticism and a bedrock opposition to using checkbook diplomacy anywhere is seen through a narrow prism as an attack on Israel and the Jewish people.

In a large way it reminds me of the use of the race card by the Left to destroy debate and demonize those with other viewpoints.

35 posted on 10/19/2011 6:02:51 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: EEGator

Only half anti-semetic.


36 posted on 10/19/2011 6:04:20 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: LibertarianInExile

Please. He has somehow managed to avoid EVER criticizing Palistinians while slamming Israel every time he speaks. If he was even handed he would have some pro Israel and some anti Palistinian commentary. Good luck finding it, it doesn’t exist.


37 posted on 10/19/2011 6:04:31 PM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: newzjunkey

You make an excellent point. I totally agree.


38 posted on 10/19/2011 6:08:55 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

So I’m not all bad. Kind of like the Captain Jack Sparrow of anti-Semetics.


39 posted on 10/19/2011 6:11:50 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

If the shoe fits.


40 posted on 10/19/2011 6:20:45 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Optimist

“Some might say he is consistent, but stubborn consistency in favor of common sense is IMHO no different than school districts that say “that’s our (zero-tolerance) policy””

It’s common sense that giving away foreign aid borrowed from China isn’t foreign aid at all, it’s putting our country’s future into servitude for others’ welfare. If you believe that being against borrowing money to give it away to Israel is anti-Semitic, I guess you must think that if Paul doesn’t advocate foreign aid to Saudi Arabia he’s anti-Arab, or to Indonesia he’s anti-Muslim. Smear merchants like you are just sickening examples of the inability of the typical neocon to debate cogent arguments against his policy. You can’t even begin to say something like “Israel has to be an exception because...” Instead, you go right to “oh, he must be anti-Semitic.” As if you make your case to those on the fence by simply slurring Paul. It’s complete crap like your comments that CREATE prejudice, just as hearing Jesse Jackson trot out the race card every time someone attacks racial set-asides creates racial animosity.


41 posted on 10/19/2011 6:29:47 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

The shoe doesn’t fit. I’m being a smart-a** because many of the posters on this article are crazier than Ron Paul. I won’t make the mistake of posting on an Israeli article again. I don’t want to be compared to Mengele for having a non 100% supportive thought.


42 posted on 10/19/2011 6:30:32 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: fieldmarshaldj; EEGator

What if I support Israel but don’t support Americans being taxed to support Israel? Am I anti-Semitic then?


43 posted on 10/19/2011 6:31:52 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: EEGator
He said it was better for him to spend it than to give it back to skinheads.

That sounds exactly like his kind of logic.

44 posted on 10/19/2011 6:32:41 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

When Israel attacked a nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, almost the entire U.S. Congress voted to condemn the act. Ron Paul was one of the few dissenters: he voted against the condemnation and in favor of Israel’s right to self-determination.

If foreign aid to all countries were stopped immediately, Israel would be the biggest net beneficiary. This is because the U.S. pays much more foreign aid to Israel’s enemies combined than to Israel.


45 posted on 10/19/2011 6:34:54 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

“Unlike this President, I do not believe it is our place to dictate how Israel runs her affairs,” the Texas Republican wrote in a May 20 press statement. “There can only be peace in the region if those sides work out their differences among one another. We should respect Israel’s sovereignty and not try to dictate her policy from Washington.”


46 posted on 10/19/2011 6:36:29 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: buccaneer81; EEGator

You’re for giving money to Stormfront, then? Shame, shame! You must be anti-Semitic.

Pat Buchanan cashed multiple checks from front groups that Michael Moore dreamed up. As I recall, the “John Wayne Gacy Fan Club,” “Abortionists for Buchanan,” and a couple others were in the mix. Would you rather that money was spent by Moore or Buchanan?


47 posted on 10/19/2011 6:48:01 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: goodwithagun

As I understand it that comes from his detractors because of his wish to end foreign-aid to Israel; however, this is not the whole of the matter: he wishes to end *ALL* foreign-aid.

And, the more I see the failings of the [federal] government, the more I’m inclined to agree... after all, if a man who doesn’t take care of his family is “worse than an unbeliever,”* what does that say about a government that neglects its own (as evidenced in things like Fast & Furious, Castaway, and all the other malfeasant/corrupt workings of our government)?

* — 1 Timothy 5:8


48 posted on 10/19/2011 6:54:44 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: EEGator

So if you don’t support Israel you’re anti-Semitic? I don’t care about France either, am I anti-Gallic?
You sure you're on the right board? never mind not having a parallel argument?

Nobody's calling for the French to be either totally expelled from their homeland or alternately annihilated.
49 posted on 10/19/2011 6:55:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: born2bfree

Ron Paul is pro-Constitution, not anti-Semitic
The last thing he cares about is the US Constitution. Forgot that John Adams said that the Constitution was meant to govern a "moral and religious people" and was "wholly inadequate to the government of any other"? That's not what Paul believes.

Nearly the whole world is against the state of Israel, and over lies upon lies upon lies against that state. Ron Paul showing even the slightest support for those lies is a confession of antisemitism.
50 posted on 10/19/2011 6:59:32 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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