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Stockton Homeowner Wants Police To Fix Trashed House(SWAT hits wrong house)
CBS13 ^ | Ben Sosenko

Posted on 10/25/2011 6:19:49 AM PDT by DCBryan1

STOCKTON (CBS13) — The San Jose Police Department stormed into a Stockton home searching for an accused killer, but they left without him, and left behind a complete mess.

“I feel like a war was taken on here, and we lost,” homeowner Joann Rice told CBS13.

Almost all of the windows are smashed in, there are holes in the wall, and there’s a layer of tear gas in the air so thick breathing it in makes you cough.

That is the home Rice came back to after the San Jose police held a fruitless 12-hour search on Saturday for Steve Ruiz, the man accused of killing a Hells Angels member at a funeral.

“He wasn’t here, he was never here and he wasn’t in the house,” she said.

Rice said her daughter was an acquaintance of Ruiz, nothing more.

“When she opened the house at 7 in the morning she asked them to come in, all they kept saying is, ‘Are you in danger? Are you in danger for your life?’ She kept saying, ‘No, my kids are in here, you can come in here if you like,’” Rice said.

Rice says police didn’t listen. They grabbed her daughter and threw her in a police car for four hours and then into a jail cell.

While police shot tear gas into the home, a mother dog and her three puppies were still inside the house.

“They told her if there was anything left in that house, it’s dead,” she said. “We were hysterical and thought the puppies were dead, the other dog was dead.”

The dogs, fortunately, are in good condition. The house isn’t.

CBS13 made several calls to the San Jose Police Department, but didn’t get a call back.

“We want it fixed,” Rice said. “Of course I’m calling my insurance, but San Jose has to pay for this, there is no reason why they shouldn’t.”

Rice said the family doesn’t know if they’ll ever be able to live in the house again.


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Ms. Rice said, ", you can come in here if you like,’”

BIG MISTAKE....she gave her consent, and forfeited her rights. The cops shouldn't have trashed her house, and should make amends on that front. However there is an IMPORTANT LESSON TO LEARN:

Even if you want to cooperate with the Police, and think you are doing the right thing, you will face more and more indignities by the growing numbers of ninja suited cops on adrenaline high.

Remember: When the cops are at the door, you ask two (2) questions, and make one (1) statement:

1) "Do you have a search warrant?"
2) "Do you have an arrest warrant?"
3) No? I'm sorry officer, I will not give consent to enter my private property without those documents, and furthermore, I will make no statement without my attorney present. Thank you and have a good day!"

1 posted on 10/25/2011 6:19:56 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: bang_list; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; marktwain
OF course....this is obligatory due to this thread:


2 posted on 10/25/2011 6:21:14 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ("Forget the Lawyers! FIRST YOU MUST kill the journalists!" - Die Ritter, die sagen, "nee"!)
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To: DCBryan1

I don’t believe this story. There is no way the cops did all that damage, no way at all. I mean they didnt even kill the dog, which proves the cops weren’t there.


3 posted on 10/25/2011 6:23:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DCBryan1


4 posted on 10/25/2011 6:24:57 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: DCBryan1

The first question that has to be asked is under what authority are the San Jose Police doing a residential “search” in another town in another county? Were the San Joaquin County Sheriff or the Stockton Police involved? This is simply outragreous.


5 posted on 10/25/2011 6:31:38 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: DCBryan1

Ridiculous. Even in Iraq we had to pay for damage done during a raid if we hit the wrong house. Apparently the rules are a lot more fast and loose in Stockton, CA.


6 posted on 10/25/2011 6:31:56 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: DCBryan1

If the story is true, the cops were 100% wrong. Just a few observations though. If you’re an “acquaintance” of a guy who kills a Hells Angel, chances are you’re a lowlife. The mother/homeowner definitely looks like a lowlife. Oddly enough, the house really looked very nice- and clean, as well. These are obviously upper class lowlifes- probably wear underwear.


7 posted on 10/25/2011 6:40:00 AM PDT by Krankor (Electrical banana Is gonna be a sudden craze Electrical banana Is bound to be the very next phase)
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To: DCBryan1
Rice said her daughter was an acquaintance of Ruiz, nothing more.

First of all, we have to define "wrong house". Sure he wasn't there, but they got the house they were looking for. The guy is an "acquaintance" with the girl that was there.

Seriously, one piece of advice for any teen girls out there, don't be "acquainting" with accused killers. Bad stuff can happen.

8 posted on 10/25/2011 6:43:50 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: DCBryan1; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup
Good advice,

..and they cant hold you unless they arrest you..... and you do not have to answer questions and should not without a lawyer if you suspect you are suspect. Remember, it is perfectly legal for THEM to lie to you to get a confession when they have no case, but anything they perceive as misinformation from YOU they can prosecute you for as perjury.....

Police are not always motivated by the best.

9 posted on 10/25/2011 6:48:03 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: driftdiver
I mean they didnt even kill the dog

LOL, they thought they did!

10 posted on 10/25/2011 6:54:38 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: sickoflibs

Why is it that the police are looking more and more like military? I thought the military weren’t supposed to be police.


11 posted on 10/25/2011 6:57:25 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Obama, the most corrupt and incompetent President since Carter.)
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To: OldArmy52
Why is it that the police are looking more and more like military? I thought the military weren’t supposed to be police.

Yes, there's a law that says that. But, these clever legalistic government types have noticed that the law doesn't say that "the police aren't supposed to become like the military."

A BIG /S

12 posted on 10/25/2011 7:12:48 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: DCBryan1

Gee, I can’t imagine why anyone would hate pigs.


13 posted on 10/25/2011 7:22:24 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: DCBryan1

No tonlyshould the Police have to fix her house, the officers that did the raiding should have to do the work.

They tore it up, they should have to fix it, Mayne that would make them think twice before destroying other people’s property.


14 posted on 10/25/2011 7:35:37 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: OldArmy52

Why is it that the police are looking more and more like military? I thought the military weren’t supposed to be police.


All that SWAT gear is federally funded.

Militarized “law enforcement” is the “standing army” our Founders feared.


15 posted on 10/25/2011 7:39:52 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: DCBryan1

Was this the Department of Education looking for overdue library books again?


16 posted on 10/25/2011 8:08:15 AM PDT by ponygirl (People are calling our President the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers; that's not allowed is it?)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Ridiculous. Even in Iraq we had to pay for damage done during a raid if we hit the wrong house. Apparently the rules are a lot more fast and loose in Stockton, CA.

Well, you have to understand, THOSE people have rights, even the terrorists to some extent. The people in this story are American citizens and have done nothing wrong. Totally different scenario.

17 posted on 10/25/2011 8:09:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DCBryan1

why are San Jose officers busting in to a house in Stockton?

doesn’t Stockton have police and can’t they get San Joaquin
to serve an arrest warrant?


18 posted on 10/25/2011 8:10:08 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Venturer
No tonlyshould the Police have to fix her house, the officers that did the raiding should have to do the work.

On their own time. And it better pass inspection. Come to think of it, we better have an inspector come in from a couple counties away. We wouldn't want another branch of the same city they work for inspecting their repair work, would we?

19 posted on 10/25/2011 8:12:54 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DCBryan1
Meanwhile, there are sergeants on the SJPD dragging down a cool quarter million per year in salary and benefits.

So much for a "professionalized" police force.

20 posted on 10/25/2011 8:15:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (At least I have the decency to kill my food before I eat it.)
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To: sickoflibs; DCBryan1; stephenjohnbanker; hiredhand
and they cant hold you unless they arrest you.

1) "Do you have a search warrant?" 2) "Do you have an arrest warrant?" 3) No? I'm sorry officer, I will not give consent to enter my private property without those documents, and furthermore, I will make no statement without my attorney present. Thank you and have a good day!"

in a sane world, both of you are correct...but even here on FR, theres more than enuff 'law and order' types to hang ya from the nearest lampost, and shoot yer dogs, for such a lack of respect for the troops of the state...

submit or die [or at least face massive charges] is becoming the norm...in all areas of the People vs the [supposed] servants...

21 posted on 10/25/2011 8:16:30 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Joe Brower

lmao


22 posted on 10/25/2011 8:17:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (At least I have the decency to kill my food before I eat it.)
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To: Gilbo_3; NFHale; DCBryan1; stephenjohnbanker; hiredhand; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; ...
RE :”in a sane world, both of you are correct...but even here on FR, theres more than enuff ‘law and order’ types to hang ya from the nearest lampost, and shoot yer dogs, for such a lack of respect for the troops of the state...

I don't see that here like I do in this state. Here I see the vocal numbers in the : “I don't trust the gubment” types just like you, you Tea Party terrorist :)

Last week they rolled out speed enforcement fine-only cameras in central Maryland (the county South West of Baltimore City+ County) in two white mobile vans and they put up about 20 “Speed Limit Enforced by Cameras” fixed signs that they are supposed to cover. So far I have not seen any from my car only this one on a high quality youtube video. Check it out:

First HoCo Speed Camera

23 posted on 10/25/2011 8:45:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: sickoflibs
I don't see that here like I do in this state.

hardly dude...check any bang_list thread where cops beat down citizens, and theres a very vocal brigade of FReepers that think resistance by an innocent citizen is indeed grounds for being brutalized...any rebuke of them gets me labeled 'cophater' or worse...

submit or die, teabagger...

24 posted on 10/25/2011 9:08:33 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: DCBryan1

This crap is starting to look recreational.


25 posted on 10/25/2011 9:19:02 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: DCBryan1
This why I have a sign on my door..

EMPLOYED TAX PAYING FAMILY MAN INSIDE!
26 posted on 10/25/2011 9:21:25 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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RE :”submit or die, teabagger...

I got a feeling you been riling those police state types that post here. Good thing they cant identify you. LOL

but it's that NFH that really worries me, he is a loose cannon:)

28 posted on 10/25/2011 10:07:40 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: ForAmerica
EMPLOYED TAX PAYING FAMILY MAN INSIDE!

Man, you just painted a target on your door! My sign says:

MEXICAN CARTEL SHIPPING POINT

I'll never be bothered!

29 posted on 10/25/2011 10:21:56 AM PDT by Ken H (They are running out of other people's money. )
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale
that NFH that really worries me, he is a loose cannon:)

the only reason im nice to him is because i fear that he'll hunt me down in my sleep...

i believe he may be one of those soviet plants from the 70s...

30 posted on 10/25/2011 10:26:02 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: DCBryan1
That's a great comment on one side of the issue. On the philosophical level I agree that if you make a mistake, you pay the price, even if if you are armed to the teeth and have good intentions.

You ever spent time in Stockton?

You sleep with mangy dogs, wake up with...

You conveniently ignored this part :
"...12-hour search on Saturday for Steve Ruiz, the man accused of killing a Hells Angels member at a funeral.
Rice said her daughter was an acquaintance of Ruiz, nothing more.

I raised three kids, know hundreds more, and none of them have been caught up in a net seeking an accused killer involved with the Hells Angels.

I wonder why not?

In stockton, there is at least one murder a day; people gravitate to stockton from the entire SF bay area, occasionally as victims, mostly as perps. And here's the funny thing.
Without exception, the families of the victims claim tearfully that they were great kids, an "angel," if you'll pardon the expression.

31 posted on 10/25/2011 10:28:38 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: sickoflibs
Last week they rolled out speed enforcement fine-only cameras in central Maryland (the county South West of Baltimore City+ County) in two white mobile vans

Wow, I hope nobody in your county has one of these sitting in their basement or garage:


And I sure hope that if they DO, they don't light it.

But if they light it, I hope they don't slide it underneath that roadside camera van.

But if they DID something illegal like that, I hope that the resulting effin' explosion doesn't hurt anybody when the debris goes flying.

Sounds like you live in a dangerous country SoL, y'all "be careful out there!" ;)
32 posted on 10/25/2011 10:35:15 AM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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To: DCBryan1
Cute.

"Holy Shit. There guns are bigger than ours!"

The Swat Teams, in addition to being neanderthal goons, never mastered the spelling of simple words?

33 posted on 10/25/2011 10:37:35 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Publius6961
still the point remains, that the house was ransacked without due process beyond simply knowin the perp...we shouldnt be brutalized for being naive and courteous to leo when he doesnt have his 'papers' in order...

God knows that on the side of the road, if my 'papers' arent in order, they can exercise 'authority [spit] and deny my FReedom further than the initial stop...

34 posted on 10/25/2011 10:41:59 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: DCBryan1

If there are a bunch of them, when you come to the dor, you don’t get a chance to say anything.What you do get is a rifle or shotgun buttsmash to the face and thm trampled as they walk over you.


35 posted on 10/25/2011 10:41:59 AM PDT by sport
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To: mkjessup
While dodging those cameras I have to look a these on the back of bumpers of idiots that beg for more of it:


36 posted on 10/25/2011 10:45:36 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: sickoflibs
Remember, it is perfectly legal for THEM to lie to you to get a confession when they have no case, but anything they perceive as misinformation from YOU they can prosecute you for as perjury.....

I notice you're a "Class of 2005 Freeper." A prison lawyer too?
There should be the word "oath" in there somewhere for "perjury" to kick in...

37 posted on 10/25/2011 10:52:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Krankor

If you have anything to do wit a hells angel, you are probably a low life.


38 posted on 10/25/2011 10:52:55 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RitchieAprile
doesn’t Stockton have police and can’t they get San Joaquin to serve an arrest warrant?

Actually, no.
The San Joaquin Supervisors and the Stockton City Council see themselves exclusively as welfare support for illegals and other societal parasites.
If the taxpayers want protection, they can hire their own Swat Teams, dammit!

39 posted on 10/25/2011 10:57:55 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: arthurus
This crap is starting to look recreational.

It seems to me that if you want to stop this sort of thing then you should make the individual team members personally liable for any damages. If they knew they would be out of pocket they would be real careful when they enter the house.

40 posted on 10/25/2011 10:58:26 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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RE :”Remember, it is perfectly legal for THEM to lie to you to get a confession when they have no case, but anything they perceive as misinformation from YOU they can prosecute you for as perjury
........
I notice you're a “Class of 2005 Freeper.” A prison lawyer too? There should be the word “oath” in there somewhere for “perjury” to kick in...

Very simple , Scooter Libby.

Lying to a police officer is a crime. Them lying to you to get a confession is 100% legal and considered standard procedure.

I saw the story of the 15 year old teen who they held for 24 hours ( after taken into protective custody from parents) and told every lie in the book to get him to sign a confession to murder. He was lucky though, they video-taped it and the defense showed the tapes to the jury.

41 posted on 10/25/2011 11:04:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Gilbo_3
RE :"in a sane world, both of you are correct...but even here on FR, theres more than enuff 'law and order' types to hang ya from the nearest lampost, and shoot yer dogs, for such a lack of respect for the troops of the state..."

You are right, one just jumped on me.

42 posted on 10/25/2011 11:05:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Gilbo_3
God knows that on the side of the road, if my 'papers' arent in order, they can exercise 'authority [spit] and deny my FReedom further than the initial stop...

I actually look forward to that. I'm retired now, and always wanted to see the inside of a police station...

I can't understand why I've never been stopped. Rank discrimination!!

43 posted on 10/25/2011 11:14:00 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: sport
If there are a bunch of them, when you come to the dor, you don’t get a chance to say anything.What you do get is a rifle or shotgun buttsmash to the face and thm trampled as they walk over you.

Ka-ching!!

44 posted on 10/25/2011 11:15:31 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Publius6961

Yeah, before the “oath”, they call it “false statements”. Same penalty - ask Martha Stewart.


45 posted on 10/25/2011 11:19:52 AM PDT by MortMan (Half the people make more than the median income in this country!)
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To: Publius6961
I can't understand why I've never been stopped. Rank discrimination!!

luck of the draw, or you go outta yer way to snap yer heels to every commandment from yer betters ???

46 posted on 10/25/2011 12:21:53 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: DCBryan1

David Codrea’s succinct take “Extreme Makeover — Only
Ones Style.


47 posted on 10/26/2011 1:14:35 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: driftdiver

SDNWOTN.


48 posted on 10/26/2011 1:17:03 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: Venturer

nope, have them dig ditches somewhere. until the house
if fixed and then some.


49 posted on 10/26/2011 1:21:22 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: cycjec

I have no idea what that means


50 posted on 10/26/2011 4:05:07 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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