Skip to comments.Independent study confirms global warming exists
Posted on 10/25/2011 6:31:44 AM PDT by cogitator
"...While climate is certainly an extraordinarily complicated mechanism, the facts keep pointing back to this simple fact of chemistry. Increased CO2 and methane may not be the sole cause of climate change, but its definitely a cause and almost certainly a major one.
Now, what next? My Forbes colleague Tim Worstall argues that this is a serious situation, but one in which the human race can make marginal changes and still survive and thrive. I agree with him on this as long as we act quickly. The technology is moving at a rapid pace, and the industries are catching up. Just take solar power, for example its currently one of the fastest growing industries in the United States with total growth of 6.8% from 2010 2011. Over 100,000 people are employed in the solar industry domestically, and solar companies plan on hiring about 24,000 people in the coming year. Thats an amazing success story."
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Independent group of nutbags from Bezerkley, yeah right. Using corrupted NASA data as well as others.
Pray for America
—”...While climate is certainly an extraordinarily complicated mechanism, the facts keep pointing back to this simple fact of chemistry. Increased CO2 and methane may not be the sole cause of climate change, but its definitely a cause and almost certainly a major one.”—
No it’s not. That is a stupid statement. Almost as stupid as saying the science is settled. Almost.
AGW is a deliberate hoax where the frauds insult those who not only know the facts but threaten their lucrative flim-flamm.
its currently one of the fastest growing industries in the United States with total growth of 6.8% from 2010 2011. Over 100,000 people are employed in the solar industry domestically, and solar companies plan on hiring about 24,000 people in the coming year. Thats an amazing success story.”
I wonder if the billions in stimulus money has anything to do with the growth. The solar industry would be dead without federal intervention.
Ain’t buyin’ their act no mo.
Yup, that 3/100ths of one percent CO2 in the atmosphere is really doing a number on our heat.
It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and leave its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over. It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants and hide your car keys when you are late for work.
Global warming will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will give you nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your gas tank and shave off both your eyebrows while dating your girlfriend behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Discover card.
It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she is dead, such is the power of Global warming, it reaches out beyond the grave to sully those things we hold most dear.
It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on your boss's voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve.
Global warming will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the toilet seat up. It will make a batch of Methanphedime in your bathtub and then leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase gradeschoolers with your new snowblower.
Listen to me. Global warming does not exist.
It cannot do anything to you. But I can. I am sending this message to everyone in the world. Tell your friends, tell your family. If anyone else bothers me with fearmongering concerning Global warming, I will turn hating them into a religion. I will do things to them that would make a horsehead in your bed look like Easter Sunday brunch.
But humans are not its cause.
The earth will warm and cool over time. Deal with it.
Newt will be thrilled.
After all, this “independent” research exonerates his support of the Anthropomorphic Global Warming “carbon tax” scam.
Look, CO2 is GOOD!
If there is any heating-up going on, I’m certain that the first order cause is the SUN (doh!).
CO2 is a fourth order or third order contributor at most.
what will you run your car on?
AGW is lies.
We are in an interglacial period.
It won't last forever.
What you wrote may not be the sole cause of anything bad that may happen to someone, but its definitely a cause and almost certainly a major one.
“Increased CO2 and methane may not be the sole cause of climate change, but its definitely a cause and almost certainly a major one”
That statement is absolutely pure poppycock! They aren’t MAJOR components to climate change, and its laughable folks keep claiming this. CO2 in the Atmosphere is more of an effect than a cause, the warmer the earth gets, the tundras melt and the CO2 trapped in them are released, that’s not a cause, its an effect... warmer temperatures and increased CO2 also result in more plant life and algea as well, converting more C02 to O2.. to try to play that C02 is a major factor in climate change is not remotely proven.
In fact the single biggest factor in heat retention and greenhouse effect is WATER VAPOR! No other element comes remotely close the scope and effect when it comes to reflecting and keeping heat in.
Sure we have had global warming. The place were I am sitting was under hundreds of feet of glacier ice about 20,000 years ago, but I didn’t have to tunnel out of the ice to walk the dog this morning. Obviously we had a lot of global warming to push these glaciers back above the arctic circle, but we also had a heck of a lot of global cooling to have caused most of the northern hemisphere to be covered with ice several times. Man increased CO2 levels could not be the cause so obviously there is some other mechanism of climate change that we cannot control or influence that caused these ice ages.
I don't recall anything bad happening to anyone when “Take that, Good Times!” hit the in boxes. You can stop hyperventilating anytime now.
The logical conclusions from an analysis of the record are
Whew! Thanks! I was really getting worried. I had thought that maybe I was suffering from some real virus that you had inflicted into my morning cereal. So I guess the part about you leaving voice messages in my bosses voice mail disguised as me are not true either? So then that really is me?
We’ve got a new Willie Green!
It had nothing to do with your melty icecream, either!
Berkeley = independent ?
Also they did not use Argo data and continue to use the data from NASA that has been “adjusted” to fit.
I miss witless Willis. We have new poster for our amusement.
Independent of what? Bias? Liberal influence? Group-think? Grant money?
The earth warms - it cools - been like that since the beginning. Politics enters when 'solutions' damage or help one group over another - artificially.
Plant more trees.
Get this straight and never forget it.
We will burn up every single drop of fossil fuel that can be brought up out of the Earth for less energy than will be provided when burning it. Every single drop.
We can stop worrying about fossil fuels at that point - but never let that simple fact escape you.
We will burn every single drop of cost effectively available fossil fuel.
Oops, I was wrong. Its not really independent. Its partly funded by the govt.
OTHER FINANCIAL SUPPORT
This work was supported in part by the Director, Office of Science, of the U.S. Department of Energy under Contract No. DE-AC02-05CH11231 ($188,587)
Yup, I would say it is a 100% lie - if you accept the historical record, revealed by Antarctic ice cores, that proves that temperature increase PRECEDES CO2 increase by 800-1200 years.
I put it this way: CO2 causes global warming like ashes start fires.
Ashes are the RESULT of fires.
How droll .. kroll
Argo data and the ADJUSTED land data conflict, now which is more reliable ?
Argo which is not near Urban Heat Islands or land based that have to be adjusted to fit.
and claiming the author is a major skeptic is a stretch..
“he San Francisco Chronicle reported in 2006:
Muller estimates 2 in 3 odds that humans are causing global warming ”
and please tell us why including more land stations makes it better, the American Stations are supposed to be the “gold standard” and have to be “adjusted” so now we add in more stations of inconclusive provonence to tack on to proxies that for some reason are GREAT till about 1960 or so and then go all wobbly..
Sorry as Computer Sys. Guy... GIGO is the word for most studies relying on adjusted data.
First, I agree he is not a climate skeptic(in the sense that we are) but he has been pretty critical of scientists trying to prove AGW (the hockey stick nonsense for example) by falsehoods. I imagine that is why the Koch foundation saw fit to fund his study.
Regarding your questioning the science, i dont actually see an argument.
First ARGO has a very short time series indeed (10 years) with gradually increasing resolution (as more floats were added) so it is rather insufficient to say anything about mean temperatures from that data set yet. So why on earth are you stuck onto ARGO?
Also what on earth do you mean “adjusted”? Can I have a reference about this “adjustment”. Besides, every study does not (and cannot) have to show everything. This study focuses on trying to resolve a long-standing question about biases in urban land stations vs rural ones.
Personally, I have no problems believing that temperatures can rise, the problem is with this AGW stuff which is a clear jumping-the-gun scenario.