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Does Cain have Palin's Conservative Credentials?(Vanity)
Randy | Randy Larsen

Posted on 10/25/2011 9:01:39 PM PDT by Randy Larsen

This "Cain Train" took off right after Sarah Palin decided she would not run for the Republican nomination for president.

Since then I've noticed that Herman Cain fears no one to the right of him and seems to cherish the fight with those he considers to be to his left(politically speaking).

Do you think that Herman Cain is the (CAIN+PALIN) express because of his conservative values?

Can Herman Cain win if Palin won't endorse a candidate in the primaries?

Do you believe Herman Cain has proven to be equal or better than Palin as a conservative?

Finally, Why as Herman Cain risen so fast while Perry has plunged in the polls?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: 999; black; cain; honesty; integrity; palin; regulators4cain; taxinator; teachers4cain
Just my questions for some wiser than I.
1 posted on 10/25/2011 9:01:48 PM PDT by Randy Larsen
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To: Randy Larsen

Cain couldn’t hold Palin’s jockstrap.


2 posted on 10/25/2011 9:07:29 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: Randy Larsen

Cain took off when Palin dropped out only because the Palin base moved over to him. It’s not like we were going to go to Romney or Perry!


3 posted on 10/25/2011 9:16:54 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Randy Larsen
Palin is a once-in-a-generation Leader. She is the Real Deal, the Ronald Reagan of our Generation.

Herman Cain is a Bullsh!t artist with a happy face and a nice smile. A salesman who sells Pizza and Public Policy for Nine ninety-nine.

4 posted on 10/25/2011 9:20:05 PM PDT by sklar
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To: Randy Larsen
The short answer is that I don't know but...

I think Palin was on balance more conservative than Cain but had weaknesses. I was afraid she would cave on Don't Ask Don't Tell or other Faggot Lib issues. She was for Title IX and bought in to a bit too much “Feminism” at the expense of feminine dignity per Thatcher, Rand, Schlafly, etc.

With all that said I still think Palin would have been the most conservative of the lot. Now I think Bachmann and Cain are the strongest to the Right. Cain should avoid talking about race because it takes him away from discussing the issues that will help put him up there on 1600.

5 posted on 10/25/2011 9:20:16 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: sklar

Too bad she doesnt speak like Reagan. She’d be decimated in the debates anyway.


6 posted on 10/25/2011 9:30:22 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Randy Larsen
This "Cain Train" took off right after Sarah Palin decided she would not run for the Republican nomination for president.

True, but he's also benefitting from the fact, that conservatives hate Romney, Bachman is dropping like a rock, and Perry stumbled badly in the debates, and the media was focusing on attacking him. He benefits off of this, and because he sounds very conservative. He can also be a vessel for people looking for someone who talks the talk, and has no record to disprove that they don't walk the walk. Lucky for him.

Since then I've noticed that Herman Cain fears no one to the right of him and seems to cherish the fight with those he considers to be to his left(politically speaking).

Not sure about that, he backtracked with the muslims, and he got caught up in some "miscommunication" on the abortion issue. I can't say he fears no one to his right, he hasn't had a whole lot of conservatives to really battle with. At least viable serious candidates.

Do you think that Herman Cain is the (CAIN+PALIN) express because of his conservative values? Its a good question, he's got a great record of talking like a conservative, but he has never, governed like one, in fact, outside of his speeches, there is no record that he is a conservative, just his own words. We assume he has our values, because he says he does, and there is no record that can contradict it, but there is also no record to verify it, and he has never had to be tested on how committed he is to those values.

Can Herman Cain win if Palin won't endorse a candidate in the primaries?

Anything is possible, but I don't think its likely, I think he may be this years Steve Forbes, so to speak.

Do you believe Herman Cain has proven to be equal or better than Palin as a conservative?

No, Palin was an experienced politician, she was a councilwoman, a mayor, and a governor, and she was and still is an outsider.

Cain is a former central banker who used to work for the Fed, supported TARP, and was also the senior economic advisor to Bob Doles presidential campaign. He has no governing record, and he has never had to put his commitment to his values to any kind of test, but he has been involved in the most establishment wing of the GOP, and was thought highly enough by Dole and Kemp to be given that kind of job.

Finally, Why as Herman Cain risen so fast while Perry has plunged in the polls?

Because Perry debates about as well as Obama runs an economy, and he sounds mighty soft in illegal immigration, which is much worse, then say supporting TARP in the eyes of voters, plus, Perry talks the conservative line, but has a pretty long political record, that can be combed, and a couple of misteps, Cain, has no record, so he can be a blank slate, to project on, what we want (and he'll tell you he is it).

7 posted on 10/25/2011 9:31:44 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Randy Larsen

Don’t really know. Cain seems conservative, in a somewhat generic, hard-to-really-pin-down way. I still have a lot of questions, to be honest. As for Palin, my support for her was because she was unique in exemplifying the absolute perfect mix of traditional conservatism, Western libertarianism, and Mid-American populism... which totally mirrors my own political philosophy like no other politician has in years. Hence, I’m not really finding a satisfying replacement candidate very easily.

I think I’m just going to sit back on the sidelines and let the primaries play out as they will. Looks like a slow-motion train-wreck to me, and I’m just not terribly inclined to be drawn into any of it.


8 posted on 10/25/2011 9:33:23 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Randy Larsen

It is a little hard to tell if Cain’s huge support is all pro-Cain or just a choice against Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum, etc..

Perry’s demise was entirely self inflicted by his pro-illegals stance and calling conservatives derogatory names. He’s done. He’s just too stupid to recognize that fact.

The primary now looks like a Cain-Romney race.

I don’t hear any great numbers waiting on an early Palin endorsement. In any case, it would be hard to imagine her endorsing anyone but Cain. She wouldn’t go Romney and the others are just very long shots.


9 posted on 10/25/2011 9:34:35 PM PDT by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: TwoSwords
Cain couldn’t hold Palin’s jockstrap.

Palin has a jockstrap??

10 posted on 10/25/2011 10:21:21 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Randy Larsen
There are people that are looking beyond the beltway, beyond party favorites. Looking for someone who is not a dyed in the wool R or D, a fresh face in politics.Someone willing to shake the status quo, because the present script is a failure for the country.

Right now, he fits that bill.

Will someone else step up and swing for the fences?Let's see what they've got.

11 posted on 10/25/2011 10:29:53 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Sonny M

Being conservative is not only possible outside of holding political office, it is the statistical norm. Cain dropped a million of his own dollars into the promotion of prolife values. And he has lived his life according to the principles of meritocracy, not gimme-ocracy. That is the root of fiscal conservatism. The only area in which he is truly untested, IMHO, is foreign policy. But inasmuch as his life has been lived, on the record, as one who genuinely treasures his country, that puts him light years ahead of the current occupant of the WH.


12 posted on 10/25/2011 11:51:07 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: TwoSwords

Double dittos on that. Cain is no where near the conservative Palin is.


13 posted on 10/26/2011 12:34:57 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: sklar
Cain may be likable, but from the getgo when he showed up on the scene I commented he was too much of a rock and roller hipster for this child.
14 posted on 10/26/2011 12:38:05 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: Sonny M

I remember another blank slate in 2008, and now he has just about ruined the country.

Also Cain was once a inside the DC beltway lobbyist, now he plays the role of an outsider.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=24&gs_id=26&xhr=t&q=cain+was+once+a+lobbyist&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=cain+was+once+a+lobbyist&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=d566e0fbd09c8604&biw=960&bih=459


15 posted on 10/26/2011 12:45:28 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: Soothesayer9
Too bad she doesnt speak like Reagan. She’d be decimated in the debates anyway.

Like hell she would.

16 posted on 10/26/2011 1:13:39 AM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: greene66; Randy Larsen
Yes, I agree with you and several others. Sarah Palin could have been the Game Changer and I'm still lost without her in the running. She is a once in a generation or life time Leader, and thankfully, she is still young!

I love your description: watching a “slow-motion train-wreck”...

I can't recall ever being emotionally detached in any prior presidential election, but detached is precisely what I am! I want the Marxist ousted and soundly defeated, -—it's imperative, but by whom? Not Romney! If he's the nominee, I'm writing-in Sarah Palin.

I met and got to personally speak with all 5 of our top tier candidates at the GOP debate in Tampa, in September. Herman Cain is very gracious, personable and of course, likeable.

His weakness is foreign policy and the first role of president is CIC, not the economy or job creation. Speaker Newt is likely the more qualified of all the candidates, particularly in foreign issues.

Herman Cain can most assuredly hire and staff the brightest and best conservative minds to help, advise and assist him in those areas.

17 posted on 10/26/2011 2:09:22 AM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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To: Randy Larsen

There are only two people still running who are as conservative as Palin - Bachmann and Santorum - but neither has the “political charisma” Sarah has.


18 posted on 10/26/2011 4:18:59 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Randy Larsen

No conservative would back a sales tax in addition to an income tax....


19 posted on 10/26/2011 4:34:14 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Randy Larsen

Please list her conservative credentials so we have a way to put them up against Cain.


20 posted on 10/26/2011 4:41:26 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Sonny M

Well stated!


21 posted on 10/26/2011 6:01:44 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Sonny M
We assume he has our values, because he says he does, and there is no record that can contradict it, but there is also no record to verify it, and he has never had to be tested on how committed he is to those values.

Except for the record of two interviews. I discount the CNN/Morgan interview because you can sense the antagonism in Morgan, even in a transcript, and he did try to twist the question into another issue. But the Stossel and MacCallum interviews demonstrate that Cain is either ignorant of the clear semantics of decades of discussion of the topic, or he's fence-straddling and pandering, or in the clinches some of his own contradictions slip through, or they're his true feelings. Any way you slice that pie, I don't care for it.

And lest anyone say I am passing on "smears" -- here are the interviews for your own eyes and ears to judge:

Stossel interview discussed here, with transcript: http://theiowarepublican.com/2011/vander-plaats-on-cain’s-abortion-stance-“sounds-like-john-kerry-in-2004”/

MacCallum interview here: http://www.lifenews.com/2011/10/21/herman-cain-in-new-interview-abortion-should-not-be-legal/

22 posted on 10/26/2011 6:34:10 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: sklar
“Palin is a once-in-a-generation Leader. She is the Real Deal, the Ronald Reagan of our Generation.”

Reagan was a two-term governor of our most populous state, and had been a well-known spokesman for conservative positions on a wide range of issues (both domestic and foreign) for many years before he entered electoral politics. Reagan had a crystal-clear vision for the US at home and in the world, and devoted forty years of his life to seeing that that vision materialized.

Palin was a half-term governor of one of our least-populous states, who left office when the going got tough. She doesn't have the executive experience, single-minded determination, and political instincts that Ronald Reagan possessed when he first ran for the Republican nomination in 1976. As much as I liked and campaigned for her in 2008, while holding my nose for the top of the ticket, she has been a terrible disappointment since then.

23 posted on 10/26/2011 6:34:42 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: iowamark

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Palin endorsed the nominee, even if it’s Romney. She’s already said, ABO.


24 posted on 10/26/2011 6:36:19 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Randy Larsen

Does Palin have Palin’s conservative credentials?


25 posted on 10/26/2011 6:48:53 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Being conservative is not only possible outside of holding political office, it is the statistical norm. Cain dropped a million of his own dollars into the promotion of prolife values. And he has lived his life according to the principles of meritocracy, not gimme-ocracy. That is the root of fiscal conservatism. The only area in which he is truly untested, IMHO, is foreign policy. But inasmuch as his life has been lived, on the record, as one who genuinely treasures his country, that puts him light years ahead of the current occupant of the WH.

I'm not doubting his patriotism, and I'll be more then glad to say, he is a true American success story. However, how has his views on gays been tested ? How have his views on on environmental versus jobs been tested ? How have any of his views been tested ?

On abortion, if I give him the benefit of the doubt, he misspoke badly and sounded like he was trying to impersonate Mario Cuomo, on muslims, he backtracked and apologized, what if he does this same thing, while he is in office with regulations ? As for the root of fiscal conservatism, I'm sorry, but the fact that he was the senior economic advisor for Bob Doles presidential campaign, really hurts his case, along with having been chairman of the board for the KC Federal Reserve. I also don't like how he answers questions on it, and I hate his justification of TARP.

Its funny, but yes, he is light years ahead of the current occupant in the white house, but thats such a low standard, that, it actually is unfair to Mr. Cain, he should not be compared to Obama, he needs to be compared to other conservatives, which is impossible, because they h ave records where push has come to shove, and he doesn't.

26 posted on 10/26/2011 7:18:19 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Soothesayer9

Have you seen the videos of her debating for the AK guv race?

She was formidable.


27 posted on 10/26/2011 7:28:14 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Randy Larsen

To suggest that Cain was ...as good or better than Palin????

OUTRAGEOUS


28 posted on 10/26/2011 8:27:51 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Randy Larsen

To suggest that Cain was ...as good or better than Palin????

OUTRAGEOUS


29 posted on 10/26/2011 8:28:40 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: riverdawg

AND YOU SUCK!


30 posted on 10/26/2011 8:30:32 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Springfield Reformer

“the current occupant of the WH.” After seeing their best I have this gut feeling that Mr. Cain may go tribal and get sucked in by the evil entitlement brothers.


31 posted on 10/26/2011 9:09:17 AM PDT by mcshot (Neither handsome nor handy but took an oath and will vote to save our Country.)
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To: Randy Larsen

Cain’s ascendency began after his win in the Florida Straw Poll which was probably a month before Palin announced that she was not running but if it makes you feel better to think these things by all means continue.


32 posted on 10/26/2011 10:06:34 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Get ready for an aberration of epic proportions! - Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Florida Straw Poll was on September 25th. Palin’s announcement was on October 5th.

Pretty clear from the RCP polls that Perry’s fall started with Florida but Cain didn’t overtake Romney until after Palin’s announcement.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html#polls


33 posted on 10/26/2011 10:20:39 AM PDT by LimberJim
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To: Friendofgeorge
“AND YOU SUCK!”

There is no reason for you to shout or to make a personal attack, which (in case you forgot) is against FR policy.

It simply isn't credible to compare her to Ronald Reagan. It does a disservice to her genuine accomplishments.

34 posted on 10/26/2011 10:40:47 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Randy Larsen

I was hoping for a Palin/Cain ticket.


35 posted on 10/26/2011 11:30:32 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: OriginalChristian

Me too.

I’m still PO’ed over her letting the conservatives down in our time of greatest need!


36 posted on 10/26/2011 1:37:08 PM PDT by Randy Larsen
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To: riverdawg
Palin was a half-term governor of one of our least-populous states

Then I assume you do not support no-term-anything Herman Cain.

37 posted on 10/26/2011 2:56:34 PM PDT by sklar
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To: TwoSwords
You got that right! There's Palin, and then there are pale shadows of actual greatness aspiring to pinnacles they'll never see, but which are such familiar ground to Sarah.

So very sad.

38 posted on 10/26/2011 3:26:17 PM PDT by Gargantua (Sarah Palin for Emperor of Earth!)
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To: Randy Larsen

New Site: Reagan-Palin Conservatives for Newt Gingrich, http://t.co/oJAmLh9a

As a Reagan-Palin conservative, I cannot justify supporting any of the others.

Newter Obama!
Newter the Progressive Movement!


39 posted on 10/26/2011 5:21:52 PM PDT by GlockLady ( Sarah Palin is a walking middle finger to the BosNYWash elite.)
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To: OriginalChristian

I was hoping for a Palin/West ticket. I am now hoping for a Newt/Palin ticket. [Only because she will not run for the top of the ticket this time around.]


40 posted on 10/26/2011 5:28:00 PM PDT by GlockLady (Newter Obama! Newter the Progressive Movement!)
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To: GlockLady

I’m never going to vote for Palin!

I can’t stand professional quitters!

Professional quitters are quitters who get paid, then quit!


41 posted on 10/26/2011 5:35:25 PM PDT by Randy Larsen
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To: SamAdams76

I think you are 100% correct. At least you are in my case.

Also, listening to Cain just a few minutes ago on Hannity, I got the feeling from him that he is not afraid of the ‘nuts’ out there. I really think the Palin’s got completely scared to death about mom getting Gabby’d after all Palin is light years more controversial than Giffords ever was.

Basically, I now believe the gd left just simply beat the crap out of the right in their attacks on Palin! “We” (the right) just simply did not counter strong enough the attacks on Palin. So, the left WON! They, and that Arizona nut, literally scared our candidate out of the race!!! And, from now on, they are going to Palinize every candidate we EVER put up !!! Why?!....because it works!!!


42 posted on 10/26/2011 7:02:23 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Sea Parrot

TERRIFIC! Very effective for a campaign ad:

Newt Now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ_CvdcrHhQ


43 posted on 10/26/2011 8:18:38 PM PDT by GlockLady (Go Newt! Newter Obama! Newter the Progressive Movement!)
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To: GlockLady
Excellent, with Palin out of the running, I am no longer leaning toward Newt, I am now just about committed to help get him elected..
44 posted on 10/26/2011 11:05:02 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: sklar
“Then I assume you do not support no-term-anything Herman Cain.”

The comparison I was commenting on was Palin with Reagan. As for Cain and the rest of the current Republican field, I don't have a favorite at the moment. They all seem like lightweights to me.

45 posted on 10/27/2011 5:42:42 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: LimberJim

Cain’s climb in the polls did not take place until after Palin announced she was not running - this is false.

Cain did not actually overtake Romney in the polls until after Palin announced she was not running - this is true.

Did Cain get a bounce from Palin backers going to his side after Palin’s announcement? I’m sure he did. The point I’m making is that Cain’s rise was not predicated on Palin choosing not to run. Cain was rising - and rising fast -before she made that decision.


46 posted on 10/27/2011 6:05:02 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Get ready for an aberration of epic proportions! - Herman Cain 2012)
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To: greene66

I agree.

I’d like to add, Cain shares with Palin the appearance of genuineness and sincerity. So if (in contrast to Palin) he’s actually a professional bulls**tter, he’s real good at it. As of now, I support him for the White House.


47 posted on 10/27/2011 9:02:52 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: riverdawg
The comparison I was commenting on was Palin with Reagan.

But I was not comparing Palin with Reagan. They are very different politicians with totally different life experiences, and they are the products of very different eras in America.

I wasn't comparing them job for job, term for term etc. They are both totally unique. I'm saying that Palin is OUR GENERATION'S Reagan. The Conservative Banner Carrier that no other politician can match.

48 posted on 10/27/2011 3:17:15 PM PDT by sklar
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To: Randy Larsen

I think she could campaign and win. I personally think she isn’t running because she is putting her family first. Where the Rookie and Wookie’s children are off limits to the vermin left/media, they would have a field day shredding every aspect of Sarah’s kids lives.


49 posted on 10/28/2011 9:42:01 AM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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