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Believing in Cold Fusion and the E-Cat
Forbes Magazine ^ | Oct 30 2011 | Mark Gibbs

Posted on 10/30/2011 7:52:15 PM PDT by Kevmo

how could something like the E-Cat work in defiance of known science?
Even so, to be completely dismissive of Rossi’s claims would seem to be foolish as it is one thing to *believe* something is false based on your assumptions and quite another to be able to *prove* beyond a reasonable doubt that it is false.
So, before we look at the results of the E-Cat test on the 28th, what of Rossi and the E-Cat? Why has he been so cagey and secretive about the E-Cat and not permitted a reputable third party to conduct an objective performance test? Well, there appear to be two plausible explanations .

The first is that Rossi is honestly mistaken and he just believes the E-Cat works and produces excess energy when, in fact, it doesn’t... it’s hard to believe as Rossi has been collaborating with a well-credentialed physicist and emeritus professor from Bologna University, Sergio Focardi. A failure of this kind would be a sad and unfortunate conclusion for all concerned as they would be discredited and reviled .

The other explanation is that the whole thing is a fraud and that the E-Cat doesn’t work at all. This too is hard to swallow because there would be no obvious upside. What benefit could either Rossi or Focardi hope to gain?
Sure, there may be some money involved but I doubt whether it would be a large enough amount to justify what would be an usually elaborate and public hoax and whoever the funds came from would, almost certainly, start legal proceedings (if not retain the services of a “mechanic”) .


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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: believeorburninhell; cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr; pforeverandever; religion; scientism
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To: Kevmo
Because he knew Andrea.

The E-Cat was going to be Bernie's Next Big Thing before he went to the Big House.

21 posted on 10/30/2011 8:16:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo
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22 posted on 10/30/2011 8:21:32 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Snickering Hound

Widom-Larson Theory. Purely conventional physics.

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Widom-Larsen.php


23 posted on 10/30/2011 8:26:15 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

All that back & forth just to get to a squawky punchline without a sarcasm tag.

T4BTT


24 posted on 10/30/2011 8:28:06 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

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25 posted on 10/30/2011 8:29:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo

Hardly conventional physics.


26 posted on 10/30/2011 8:52:29 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

You got something against the Weak Nuclear Force?


27 posted on 10/30/2011 9:05:06 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

Nonsense second point. Madoff certainly had to know that someday his scamming would catch up with him, yet he did it anyway. Rossi is no different.


28 posted on 10/30/2011 9:10:19 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Kevmo
It must work; people are already stealing fuel for them.

State police have arrested three men in connection with the theft of more than 17,000 pounds of nickel

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/10/28/3-men-arrested-in-nickel-theft-at-local-steel-plant/

29 posted on 10/30/2011 10:45:29 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s a scam currently being run by an Italian guy named Rossi, whom is promising nearly free power produced by some mysterious method he refuses to disclose or set forth for independent verification.

Kevmo is, if not on Rossi’s payroll, at least Rossi’s most annoyingly ardent cheerleader on FR.


30 posted on 10/31/2011 4:11:43 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: dinodino

And you dino are a seagull. You don’t like the threads you can block the news....


31 posted on 10/31/2011 7:19:18 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: Kevmo
No problem with the Weak Force
-- but the words "Weak Nuclear Force" are not a set of Words of Absolution or drops of holy water that turn an oddball speculative "paper" into conventional physics. If I write a 'paper' about fairies dancing in the woods and include the words "Gravitational Force', they don't make it conventional physics.
32 posted on 10/31/2011 7:39:15 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Kevmo

I am going to bump it again as a FRAUD.


33 posted on 10/31/2011 8:17:27 AM PDT by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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Cold Fusion Scam Alert


35 posted on 10/31/2011 11:52:26 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Kevmo
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Why is deletion being considered?

36 posted on 10/31/2011 11:56:04 AM PDT by citizen (Romney and Perry and Cain! Oh my! All are leagues better than Comrade Obama.)
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To: Kevmo
it is one thing to *believe* something is false based on your assumptions and quite another to be able to *prove* beyond a reasonable doubt that it is false

The scientific method cannot be used to prove falsity beyond a reasonable doubt, as any scientist knows.

The question regarding the supposed generation of energy in excess of input with this device is not "is it false?" but rather "is it reproducible?"

Since there is no effort on the part of Mr. Rossi to subject his claims to reproduction, who the hell knows what it means?

37 posted on 10/31/2011 11:58:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Nickel is not exactly the most expensive thing around but it is a target of so many Weak Force projects it could be the next steaming hot commodity. Not surprised to find it stolen.


38 posted on 10/31/2011 3:14:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dinodino
Been wondering about your name ~ dinodino ~ is that short for Dino ~ as in the 15,900,000 references on the internet to Italian restaurants, Greek pizza joints and two-bit mob wiseguys?

So, what is it ?

39 posted on 10/31/2011 3:17:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say with all the pizza references, but it is indeed from Dino.

I would assume from your name that you are Sunni Muslim?


40 posted on 10/31/2011 3:43:03 PM PDT by dinodino
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