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Fox: Obama set to abandon Afghanistan
Fox News Channel (live, no link) | 11/3/11

Posted on 11/03/2011 7:13:18 AM PDT by pabianice

Reportedly considering removing combat troops and replacing with "advisors." Just in time for Nov, 2012?

All troops out of Iraq soon.


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1 posted on 11/03/2011 7:13:18 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Making room for the caliphate.


2 posted on 11/03/2011 7:14:25 AM PDT by OKSooner (Today's new tagline. Tomorrow's new tagline pending.)
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To: pabianice

So Rumsfeld was right. Never should have sent in the additional troops. A small force was all that ever should have gone there and let the Northern alliance do the dirty work. Pay one mullah to kill the other and use predators. Never get involved in a ground war in Asia.


3 posted on 11/03/2011 7:17:54 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: pabianice

Iraq and Afghanistan have been an invaluable training ground for our military in pacifying a well armed populace, and to develop new monitoring technologies such as enhanced UAVs for listening and delivering pinpoint lethal strikes to enemies of the state without trial.

Is it any wonder Obama wants those forces back here now?


4 posted on 11/03/2011 7:18:23 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: OKSooner

What is going to happen to the unemployment rate when all these troops come home??


5 posted on 11/03/2011 7:18:28 AM PDT by MustKnowHistory
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To: OKSooner

Buying votes... by appearing to deliver on a campaign promise.


6 posted on 11/03/2011 7:18:28 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: pabianice

Picture some high-fiving among the Taliban after last week’s attack.


7 posted on 11/03/2011 7:19:08 AM PDT by livius
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To: pabianice

Then Iran, Taliban and Al-Queda move back in, take over, and we are right back where we started from, only worse.......


8 posted on 11/03/2011 7:19:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: SMARTY

Buying votes with the shed blood of our finest.............


9 posted on 11/03/2011 7:20:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: sam_paine
Afghanistan has become nothing but a meat grinder under Obama.

A good case could be made to leave a large presence in Iraq until that country can fully defend itself against Iran, but there's no reason to continue a presence in Afghanistan.

10 posted on 11/03/2011 7:21:53 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: pabianice
To Hell with America, and to Hell with troops who gave their lives.....there's an Election, and The Messiah is scrambling everywhere he can to placate his voterbases, whether the illegals, minorities, sex deviates, Unions, Greenies, or Peaceniks.

It doesn't make a difference to him WHAT he has done to the Country, so long as he doesn't piss off his voterbase.

11 posted on 11/03/2011 7:25:26 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Red Badger
Then Iran, Taliban and Al-Queda move back in, take over, and we are right back where we started from, only worse.......

Yeah, I know. But, we shouldn't have stayed anyway.

Once we cleaned out the Taliban and Al Queda, or at least had them on the run, we should have just left....

... with a warning: If you cause us any more trouble, we are coming back just long enough to turn this place into scorched earth.

12 posted on 11/03/2011 7:25:46 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: icwhatudo
Here's the problem with our entire foreign policy aim under Bush: You cannot pacify Islamist countries. The fact is Afgani's want to kill each other, to behave with savagery and brutality. You cannot stop them from doing it. All we can do is respond to direct threats to us. That's what we did after 9/11, and now we should stop the nation building and leave them to be perfectly happy killing each other. If they try anything again, then we will have a casus belli to go in their and kill them all again.
13 posted on 11/03/2011 7:29:19 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: justlurking
Once we cleaned out the Taliban and Al Queda, or at least had them on the run, we should have just left.... ... with a warning: If you cause us any more trouble, we are coming back just long enough to turn this place into scorched earth.

But do you think that really would have happened? I'm betting Iran would have laughed and moved right in. We scorched that earth for almost 10 years after Gulf War I and it didn't solve the problem that was Saddam. Where we are now is back to Paper Tiger status.

14 posted on 11/03/2011 7:32:47 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: traditional1
It's been clear since 2003 at the latest that all the sacrifices in Afghanistan were for nothing.

The troops should never have been sent there (beyond the special forces in 2001).

The mismangement of this "war" has been going on for years and years, and the worst of it was not on Obama's watch.

15 posted on 11/03/2011 7:33:05 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: justlurking
we shouldn't have stayed anyway. Once we cleaned out the Taliban and Al Queda, or at least had them on the run, we should have just left....

Spot-on correct! A soldier's life is worth more than 20 insurgent lives especially if they can be taken out via drones.
16 posted on 11/03/2011 7:34:32 AM PDT by TSgt (Legal Disclaimer: View my profile at your own risk)
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To: TSgt
A lot of this has to do with our limp-wristed fear of stating who the real enemy is: Pakistan. We should recognize that Pakistan has made a de facto declaration of war against us, and we ought to reply in kind. However, America has become so politically correct and wussy that we can not fight a real war against a real, and strong, enemy any more.

Heaven forbid, if Hitler were doing his dirty work today, we would never have the balls to land on Normandy beach. We've become a nation of Chamberlains.

17 posted on 11/03/2011 7:38:39 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: skeeter
A good case could be made to leave a large presence in Iraq until that country can fully defend itself against Iran,

I don't really see a point there, either.

If there was enough capability to maintain a no-fly cap over Iraq when both Iran and Iraq were outright hostile, then there should be little problem of regaining air superiority over Iraq when Iran is hostile to us and Iraq is desperate for help.

18 posted on 11/03/2011 7:39:14 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Thane_Banquo; icwhatudo
Here's the problem with our entire foreign policy aim under Bush: You cannot pacify Islamist countries. The fact is Afgani's want to kill each other, to behave with savagery and brutality. You cannot stop them from doing it

Well. Now we know! We won't have to revisit that issue again after the next 9/11.

19 posted on 11/03/2011 7:41:15 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Red Badger
Then Iran, Taliban and Al-Queda move back in, take over, and we are right back where we started from, only worse....

Yes, but that has been inevitable since April 2004 at the latest.

No war plan to defeat the enemy was ever approved. It is pretty clear from Feith, Bush's and Rumsfeld's memoirs that none was ever even discussed.

The retarded "freedom" plan for Iraq and Afghanistan was like the ideas of a nine-year old. All that it could ever accomplish was to postpone the inevitable endgame which you describe correctly, at the cost of thousands of American lives and trillions of Chinese money.

The whole sorry farce is disgusting.

20 posted on 11/03/2011 7:42:35 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: rhombus
But do you think that really would have happened? I'm betting Iran would have laughed and moved right in.

Fine. Iran can deal with them.

We scorched that earth for almost 10 years after Gulf War I and it didn't solve the problem that was Saddam.

You don't understand what I mean by "scorched earth". I mean literally send them back into the stone age. The UN would scream bloody murder, but I'd just invite them to move their HQ to the Middle East.

Where we are now is back to Paper Tiger status.

That's because we refuse to play by their rules. As long we play by the current rules, we'll be a "paper tiger".

21 posted on 11/03/2011 7:44:44 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: pabianice

Good. It’s about time we got out of that quagmire and stopped wasting our heroes on a fool’s errand.


22 posted on 11/03/2011 7:45:08 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: Jim Noble

good point except the worst of it HAS been on obamas watch

First, trapped by his chicken hawk campaign boasts to fight the “real” war in Afghanistan, he decided to escalate and pressed Petraeus back into the field to try to do what Bush surge accomplished in Iraq (wrong- Afghan is totally different battle in different conditions with different society)

then his lawyers foisted disgraceful ROE on our military

how many lives lost since barry became the cinc and how many many for PC???


23 posted on 11/03/2011 7:48:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: pabianice

Not really sure what our goal is/was in Afghanistan.
I thought it was to capture or kill Bin Laden and as many Al Quaida as possible.

Looks like THAT has been accomplished.

Bring em home.


24 posted on 11/03/2011 7:52:54 AM PDT by a real Sheila (Cain is Able!)
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To: MustKnowHistory

The Air Force has already begun the RIF actions. He seems to believe that they will all be grateful that there are no more deployments. They might be unemployed, but they should be grateful. <\s>

The group that will really be grateful about this are the muslim terrorists. They can regain the country as a staging area for new attacks. It has always been a mistake to view Afghanistan as being in any way a conventional war/conflict. It is and always has been an unconventional battlefield. The Russians learned this painful lesson and we had it right for a while, before the uptick in the number of troops deployed as opposed to keeping it primarily special operators.

FUBO & FAD


25 posted on 11/03/2011 8:00:06 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: pabianice
He adandoned the US first.....
26 posted on 11/03/2011 8:05:45 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (When voting, if you are not willing to work in the kitchen, order from the menu.)
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To: justlurking
You don't understand what I mean by "scorched earth". I mean literally send them back into the stone age. The UN would scream bloody murder, but I'd just invite them to move their HQ to the Middle East.

No, I understand exactly what you meant but like I said initially, do you really think that would happen? Because I don't. You are talking about stacks upon stacks of smoking bodies - do you really think ANY president other than President justlurking would order that? I sure don't. The last time we did that, Japan and Germany had already killed thousands upon thousands so Americans were primed and ready to end it with "scorched earth" (not that they were given a choice). These days are not those days...yet. We are a Paper Tiger not only because we possibly make scorched earth threats that probably will never really happen but becuase we lack the committment to accomplish long term goals anymore and no can plan or count on America any longer than the next Presidential election. Very sad but I agree with you about at least trying to change the rules but America just ain't there right now.

27 posted on 11/03/2011 8:09:15 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: sam_paine

It’ll be a helluva lot more expensive to maintain the no-fly without bases in Iraq proper. Bases that we already have.


28 posted on 11/03/2011 8:09:33 AM PDT by skeeter
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Wake Up And Donate!


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29 posted on 11/03/2011 8:12:56 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: RJS1950
The group that will really be grateful about this are the muslim terrorists. They can regain the country as a staging area for new attacks

The time to prevent that outcome was 2001-2003.

That time is long gone.

30 posted on 11/03/2011 8:28:36 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Jim Noble

That is true although they have been somewhat subdued and hindered up to this point in time. Nobody with any common sense should believe that we have broken them or their operations; we have only slowed them down a little.


31 posted on 11/03/2011 9:55:03 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: MustKnowHistory

Good point - they will be tossed out on the street.

Between the ‘Stan and Iraq, how many troops is that? Iraq - 39K, the ‘Stan - under 100K - 90K?

Might bump up the unemployment level to 9.4% Hard to impact a number as large as the number of unemployed right now...


32 posted on 11/03/2011 9:55:24 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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