Posted on 11/04/2011 2:53:12 AM PDT by EBH
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Not a bad rule of thumb.
Being alive means making mistakes. Growing up means understanding that fact, and taking responsibility. Bad actors never take responsibility. Barack Obama honestly believes he's never made a mistake since getting elected; it's one of the few things I think he really means. Honestly.
That's why I kind of like Herman Cain's response to the media thugs. Cain isn't playing their game. I hope he checkmates them, move after move. Never play by their rules. Always set your own rules, or they will kill you. You can see their shotgun victims all over the political landscape.
That's why I magnanimously forgive Herman Cain for whatever his sins might be. I'm not interested, frankly. After Bill Clinton's and John Edwards' abuse of women, I'll forgive any decent man or woman. Got a DUI but went straight? Good on ya, mate. I'll vote for that.
But I will not be voting any time soon for a sociopath with flagrant personality disorders...
...Of course, who am I to forgive anybody? A good question. I will now evade it.
Let me ask you another one: who are the corrupt and dishonest mediots to condemn an honest man and give a free pass to unholy demagogues who are trying to rob you blind?
And yet, the media have arrogated to themselves that higher moral ground.
Do they live up to it? Are they models of good behavior? Gimme a break.
The media abuse their ideological monopoly every single day of the week, and we all know it. You can't go through an airport without being assaulted by CNN. It's a little like being a peasant in North Korea, with the giant loudspeakers trumpeting over the rice paddies 24/7.
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“I’m not interested, frankly”
This is the only sensible approach to the left’s attempt to lynch Herman Cain. It doesn’t take a genius to listen to the guy and understand he is honest, sincere and knows how to solve problems. And that he intends to apply his knowledge as president.
Any distortion of past events in which women tried to flirt with him in pursuit of financial gain are beneath garbage.
I believe you and thankfully the majority of men and women follow your example.
However, there are men who abuse their positions of power and women who seek advancement through sexual favors or, seek attention and compensation for careless comments/jokes/compliments/conversations - when they were not directly involved - just offended.
During my 40+ years in entry level jobs and positions of authority, with several large and small companies; I have witnessed colleagues who caused trouble, were vindictive, manipulative, immature, over worked, underpaid, envious, jealous, fearful, rude, obnoxious, grudge carriers and those who, thankfully, were job-focused, helpful, forgiving and forgetful.
Why would he go public with a completely non issue making it an issue?
How about this. Provide even ONE single shred of evidence to back up the accusations.
Accusations were made. Cain refuted them. Rather then demand, as you are, Cain PROVE the lies untrue, the burden of proof lies with the accusers.
Don’t fall for these gutter slime political tactics. It is NOT the job of the accused to prove his innocence.
I guess I should have said - who wouldn’t have been accused with hyper-sensitive feminists looking for offense in the 1990s.
A picture on your desk of you with your wife at the beach would be considered a Hostile Workplace.
Some women flirt and when it is reciprocated or commented on they scream harassment. Less nowadays but in the 1990s?
I am happy for you that you have always been appropriate and respectful and careful - good on ya.
Anonymous sources, accusations and hearsay are NOT proof of anything.
Innocent until proven guilty is the standard and so far all we have been given is a whole lot of accusation and NO facts.
it is not Cain's job to prove the slanderous accusations false. It is the accusers job to prove them true and so far they have offered NOTHING but accusations and rumor.
I see an iconic video image from Star Wars.
Obiwan saying, “There is another”.
Short of a felony CONVICTION, Cain has my vote and my money.
I’m simply not going to let Perry and the Media pick my candidate this time.
The longer this scandal stays on the forefront the better it is for Obama.
Am I accusing him of sexual harrassment?
Will you please point to where I accused him of that or agreed that those charges are non-bogus.
Please show me my words to that effect.
I am saying he and his dimwit manager are amateurish.
If you can answer even ONE of my questions, I’ll buy you a beer.
For you to fall back on the “prove it or shut up” defense when I’m not accusing him of being guilty of any of those original charges is the height of amateurishness on your part.
And you always pride yourself on being so logical.
You’ve got stars in your eyes. If ANY other candidate behaved this way your antenna would be up. But you’re “all in” so your logical defenses have been washed away as if in a flood.
These days, with everybody looking for a slick $, especially women, if a man just tweaks a woman’s birthday necklace and says how pretty it is, it’s an opportunity for a sexual harassment charge and some $$’s for another new necklace. lol
Much less overhearing men share an off color joke...now there’s some real new necklace $$’s.
When saying something like that will raise more questions, start the circus etc. Yeah...I'd just keep my mouth shut. He has no reason nor requirement 'announce allegations.' Keep in mind they were only allegations, he was never convicted of a crime.
Cain himself briefed his then-campaign manager on the issue back in his Senate campaign. Was that a violation of non-disclosure?
Depending on what he told the manager maybe, maybe not. The manager may have dismissed the matter because of the non-disclosure agreement.
Again, I’m going to repeat the question in the clearest language I can muster: Does non-disclosure mean that you cannot mention that a case existed and a settlement was reached? Please answer that question.
I guess my answer to that is another question, how would it benefit him to have disclosed "allegations?" When you apply for a job they ask about convictions, not allegations. Non-discloure agreements can take on many forms. I have one case in which discussing it is banned. So, it depends on the case and agreement.
And you glossed over #2. WTF exactly WAS the Perry campaign accused of doing and why walk that accusation back exactly one day later? That is the single most amateurish act of ANY presidential campaign I have EVER witnessed in my life and ever read about in US history. If you can defend that, then you have stars in your eyes. (And I am NOT a Perry supporter. I KNOW the Perry campaign is over and I will not vote for him in the primary, no matter what else is going on.)
First I didn't gloss over the Perry issue, I didn't answer it. I chose not to answer it as your paragraph went back off on the other rant about disclosing the allegations. Now, if the Perry issue is important to I guess his campaign manager screwed up. They should have just let the blogosphere unravel this mess...that the MSM/Press is trying to create. I can sort of understand how they got blind-sided as the matter was a non-issue in his senate campaign.
What ultimately is bugging me now and not related to our conversation at all is this: Are these companies doing the accused men a disservice by paying off the women?
I have worked for years in male dominated industries. As a woman I have to say I went into those industries with my eye wide open, understanding the male persona.
Did I hear a lot of ‘off color’ stuff, yes. The only time I got offended was when porn was posted within view of the general plant. I could care less if they had that stuff in their lunchboxes or lockers. And when they were asked to remove it, by me personally...they did it. Not because I was offended, but because as I explained...clients could see it.
We were making fun of the leftist secularists on another thread, concerning this oft (mis)quoted Bible verse.
So, I guess there are conservative secularists that also believe this is the end-all be-all philosophy to live by.
Did you bother to read the article or just the first line?
Well said.
That tactic demonstrates how the left, or the “natural man” will never understand the concepts of Christianity without a transformed mind.
They believe that Christians walk around in some sort of “righteousness bubble” and will shun anyone that fails the standard.
They don’t understand that we all know that NONE but Christ has ever maintained that standard, including ourselves.
Do you forgive a man for claiming at first he did not recall something like this from only 12 years ago?
Please...he had to know this crap was out there.
Yes I know the media is unfair and yes I know the lefties are boors and some even possibly rapist.
But I see major issues with Cain.
We’ll see how this pans out but the fact that he said he didn’t recall much and all that parsing sounds to me like same old political bullshit from a guy claiming to be a preacher and above all that.
and no I don’t like a national sales tax either
my first gut over Cain a year ago was right
but ya’ll have fun with it
What Hermie(cain) SHOULD DO.........!!
He should say in a press briefing that he is willing to accept all the forgiveness he can get, for things he did NOT do..
He did not do the crime BUT he is willing to accept forgiveness for it.. by those that think he did something he didnt do..
BUT if you want to hate him for something he didnt do.. HE FORGIVES YOU...
I, too, have worked around men in all kinds of environments. In fact I deal better with men who are straight forward and direct. My sense of humor can be rather warped, but I don’t put up with vulgarity. And I’ve never been in a situation other than if I said ‘HEY! that the over the line stuff didn’t stop. And yes, porno pics on the walls is not acceptable unless it’s a totally male environment with little visitor traffic.
As for sexual harassment, you dress and conduct yourself like a hoochie momma and invite attention, you’re going to get it and eventually have to fight off those that will take advantage. lol And then of course there are some that will try to take advantage regardless. What I found that works is, “If you don’t back off, Bud, you’re going to find the most precious things you value up between your ears.’ And I say it in a very quiet soft manner that only he and I can hear so as to develop a private understanding without involving anybody else. Lots of times that will earn you their respect. And I only used that when just walking away didn’t work.
But mostly I’m just not going to troll the workplace looking for an opportunity to make a slick dollar off some guy or the company.
I guess my answer to that is another question, how would it benefit him to have disclosed "allegations?"You can't be that naive.
How old are you?
How long have you lived in the United States?
How many presidential campaigns have you followed in your lifetime?
If you are over 21 and grew up in the US then you are either incredibly naive or you are dissembling to defend your chosen candidate. I suspect the latter.
If you honestly think that this thing wasn't going to come out, in a CAMPAIGN AGAINST BARAK OBAMA AND THE CHICAGO MOB, then you are incredibly, incredibly naive.
But then, you aren't asking me to vote for you for President of the United States.
Herman Cain is. I expect more of him than I do of you.
He SHOULD f*ing know better and he acted (and continues to act) like he doesn't.
And that's pathetic. Seriously pathetic.
I'm willing to blame his dipsh*t campaign manager but if that's the case, then it's time for a change of staff, stat.
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