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Italian scientist claims he has achieved 'cold fusion'
The Daily Mail Online ^ | Last updated at 4:56 PM on 4th November 2011 | By Martin Robinson

Posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:45 AM PDT by Kevmo


Andrea Rossi says his new machine fuses nickel and hydrogen at room temperature creating almost unlimited energy .

But there is one problem - many scientists claim it defies the very laws of physics. Several high-profile demonstrations of 'cold fusion' have been proven to be hoaxes in the past - and no one can adequately explain how or why it might work .

The United States Department of Energy the U.S. Patent Office say the process is impossible because physics rules out the possibility of room-temperature nuclear fusion .

But Rossi's E-Cat machine can allegedly do it, and he says he proved it worked during tests at the University of Bologna last month .



Key: Rossi says he has produced a pattern of triple track atoms, pictured, which is at the heart of the cold fusion theory


'We have nothing to say, just to make plans that work properly and let those facts win against the scepticism.'
Sterling Allan, CEO of the alternative energy news agency Pure Energy Systems, told FoxNews.com he attended Rossi’s demonstration and the E-Cat is self sustaining .

'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2057611/Italian-scientist-Andrea-Rossi-claims-achieved-cold-fusion.html

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Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .

1 posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:48 AM PDT by Kevmo
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The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2057611/Italian-scientist-Andrea-Rossi-claims-achieved-cold-fusion.html


2 posted on 11/05/2011 12:59:57 AM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Rossi isn’t a scientist. He is Italian, though.


3 posted on 11/05/2011 1:05:45 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode

It was supposed to produce twice the output, and the article doesn't mention the running generator that was connected to the ecat. I guess some people are easy to impress.

4 posted on 11/05/2011 1:10:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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5 posted on 11/05/2011 1:10:22 AM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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6 posted on 11/05/2011 1:11:00 AM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

A man says to a dentist, Can you help me? I think I’m a moth. Dentist: You need a psychiatrist. Man: I know, but your light was on.


7 posted on 11/05/2011 1:20:55 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Cain or Perry. Leave me be.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Happiness is your dentist telling you it won’t hurt and then having him catch his hand in the drill.” — Johnny Carson


8 posted on 11/05/2011 1:33:33 AM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

Your comment is well meaning, but basically uninformed. You may or may not realize that the output of the Rossi device is heat.

On the other hand the motors that run the input water pumps require electricity. Therefore it is not surprising, nor is it suspicious to see a power supply on hand to power these pumps. You must also realize that all inputs to the system and outputs from the system are monitored and controlled.

If you assume that everyone else is as uninformed and gullible as you are, then I suppose you would assume that they would be as easily fooled. But in fact, there is no reason to suppose that the observers and participants in this demonstration were either uneducated incompetents, fools, or knaves.


9 posted on 11/05/2011 1:56:08 AM PDT by John Valentine
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Why was such a large genset used for the experiment? Rossi’s device uses resistive heating elements to preheat the units, right? Why weren’t the pump and heater supplies separated for the experiment so that the pumps could be run from a much smaller power source and the other turned off, thereby eliminating the possibility that the genset itself produced the 470 kWh?

If you leave a 500 kWh genset running and attached to the experiment the whole time, and the experiment “produces” 470 kWh, don’t be surprised when skeptics cry foul.


10 posted on 11/05/2011 2:23:50 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Kevmo
If you look at the full article there is a picture taken from Wikipedia where it is described thus:

“] In 2009, Mosier-Boss et al. reported what they called the first scientific report of highly energetic neutrons, using CR-39 plastic radiation detectors,[128] but the claims cannot be validated without a quantitative analysis of neutrons.[105][107]”

In the Mail article Rossi is said to have produced this particle emission and the picture is used to support that claim.

One, the picture has only to do with deuterium cold fusion experiments and nothing to do with Rossi, and

Two, There is no mention of any such radiation detectors being used in any of Rossi’s demos.

If Rossi detected radiation as described that would be something worth noting surely.

11 posted on 11/05/2011 2:38:24 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: dinodino

Pay no attention to that generator on the right hand, just watch the Mystical Magical Mega Machine on the left where a hat is pulled out of a rabbit.


12 posted on 11/05/2011 2:46:37 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo
'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.

To me, a key component of credibility is how long the device operates in the self-sustain mode. We would be looking for days, weeks, months of continuous operation. This is what one would expect from a nuclear power generator.

Also, what is the operating temperature range for the device? How safe is it? That is, can you get runaway production of energy because the fusion process is uncontrolled?

Short time periods are transients to steady state; could be some kind of short term catalytic reaction that produces heat, for example.

Given over the years that there have been several hoaxes in connection with cold fusion, what were the factors uncovered in the hoaxes? How did they try to fool us? In what way is the Rossi device different?

13 posted on 11/05/2011 3:19:59 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Kevmo

How many times are you going to post about this guy? You have stated his case over and over again, are you afraid we might forget he claims to have solved the Nuclear Fusion solution? Enough already, see if maybe you can add a little roundness to your education and get onto another subject.


14 posted on 11/05/2011 3:32:29 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

Kevmo, keep em coming.

I appreciate not having to search the internet for news regarding this subject.

If one is tired of reading Kevmo’s post, just don’t click.


15 posted on 11/05/2011 3:45:48 AM PDT by phoneman08 (Reagan conservative union member. Not a s rare as you think!)
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To: count-your-change

Poor journalism reflects badly on Rossi exactly how??

And Rossi did check for (and found) radiation...soft gamma rays...but not neutrons. Chemical processes don’t give off gamma.


16 posted on 11/05/2011 3:51:13 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: olezip
"To me, a key component of credibility is how long the device operates in the self-sustain mode. We would be looking for days, weeks, months of continuous operation."

"Self-sustain" mode is irrelevant for any purpose other than to convince the hard-core skeptics. As long as the COP is >3, it is a gigantic breakthrough.

"Given over the years that there have been several hoaxes in connection with cold fusion, what were the factors uncovered in the hoaxes? How did they try to fool us? In what way is the Rossi device different?"

Excuse me?? "Several hoaxes in connection with cold fusion"?? I've followed CF since Pons/Fleischmann, and I've NEVER heard of any hoaxes. Difficulties in reproducibility, but actual hoaxes.......no.

Other areas of "free energy".....yes......CF......no.

17 posted on 11/05/2011 3:57:01 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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"How many times are you going to post about this guy? You have stated his case over and over again, are you afraid we might forget he claims to have solved the Nuclear Fusion solution? Enough already, see if maybe you can add a little roundness to your education and get onto another subject."

If you're not interested in the topic, don't hit the link to the thread. Nobody forces your little pinkies to "click" there.

And as amazing as it may be to you, there "are" people on FR who are interested in the topic.

18 posted on 11/05/2011 3:59:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
Off to a work-related function all day.

Please post the source for the claim of gammas, as it is highly significant.

(And don't tell the EPA!)

Cheers!

19 posted on 11/05/2011 4:22:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Moonman62
Rossi isn’t a scientist. He is Italian, though.

Rossi doesn't have a PhD and an academic position. Neither did Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, and a number of other people who managed to accomplish things.

20 posted on 11/05/2011 4:29:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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