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Italian scientist claims he has achieved 'cold fusion'
The Daily Mail Online ^ | Last updated at 4:56 PM on 4th November 2011 | By Martin Robinson

Posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:45 AM PDT by Kevmo


Andrea Rossi says his new machine fuses nickel and hydrogen at room temperature creating almost unlimited energy .

But there is one problem - many scientists claim it defies the very laws of physics. Several high-profile demonstrations of 'cold fusion' have been proven to be hoaxes in the past - and no one can adequately explain how or why it might work .

The United States Department of Energy the U.S. Patent Office say the process is impossible because physics rules out the possibility of room-temperature nuclear fusion .

But Rossi's E-Cat machine can allegedly do it, and he says he proved it worked during tests at the University of Bologna last month .



Key: Rossi says he has produced a pattern of triple track atoms, pictured, which is at the heart of the cold fusion theory


'We have nothing to say, just to make plans that work properly and let those facts win against the scepticism.'
Sterling Allan, CEO of the alternative energy news agency Pure Energy Systems, told FoxNews.com he attended Rossi’s demonstration and the E-Cat is self sustaining .

'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .

1 posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:48 AM PDT by Kevmo
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2 posted on 11/05/2011 12:59:57 AM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Rossi isn’t a scientist. He is Italian, though.


3 posted on 11/05/2011 1:05:45 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode

It was supposed to produce twice the output, and the article doesn't mention the running generator that was connected to the ecat. I guess some people are easy to impress.

4 posted on 11/05/2011 1:10:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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5 posted on 11/05/2011 1:10:22 AM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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6 posted on 11/05/2011 1:11:00 AM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

A man says to a dentist, Can you help me? I think I’m a moth. Dentist: You need a psychiatrist. Man: I know, but your light was on.


7 posted on 11/05/2011 1:20:55 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Cain or Perry. Leave me be.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Happiness is your dentist telling you it won’t hurt and then having him catch his hand in the drill.” — Johnny Carson


8 posted on 11/05/2011 1:33:33 AM PDT by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

Your comment is well meaning, but basically uninformed. You may or may not realize that the output of the Rossi device is heat.

On the other hand the motors that run the input water pumps require electricity. Therefore it is not surprising, nor is it suspicious to see a power supply on hand to power these pumps. You must also realize that all inputs to the system and outputs from the system are monitored and controlled.

If you assume that everyone else is as uninformed and gullible as you are, then I suppose you would assume that they would be as easily fooled. But in fact, there is no reason to suppose that the observers and participants in this demonstration were either uneducated incompetents, fools, or knaves.


9 posted on 11/05/2011 1:56:08 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine

Why was such a large genset used for the experiment? Rossi’s device uses resistive heating elements to preheat the units, right? Why weren’t the pump and heater supplies separated for the experiment so that the pumps could be run from a much smaller power source and the other turned off, thereby eliminating the possibility that the genset itself produced the 470 kWh?

If you leave a 500 kWh genset running and attached to the experiment the whole time, and the experiment “produces” 470 kWh, don’t be surprised when skeptics cry foul.


10 posted on 11/05/2011 2:23:50 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Kevmo
If you look at the full article there is a picture taken from Wikipedia where it is described thus:

“] In 2009, Mosier-Boss et al. reported what they called the first scientific report of highly energetic neutrons, using CR-39 plastic radiation detectors,[128] but the claims cannot be validated without a quantitative analysis of neutrons.[105][107]”

In the Mail article Rossi is said to have produced this particle emission and the picture is used to support that claim.

One, the picture has only to do with deuterium cold fusion experiments and nothing to do with Rossi, and

Two, There is no mention of any such radiation detectors being used in any of Rossi’s demos.

If Rossi detected radiation as described that would be something worth noting surely.

11 posted on 11/05/2011 2:38:24 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: dinodino

Pay no attention to that generator on the right hand, just watch the Mystical Magical Mega Machine on the left where a hat is pulled out of a rabbit.


12 posted on 11/05/2011 2:46:37 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo
'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.

To me, a key component of credibility is how long the device operates in the self-sustain mode. We would be looking for days, weeks, months of continuous operation. This is what one would expect from a nuclear power generator.

Also, what is the operating temperature range for the device? How safe is it? That is, can you get runaway production of energy because the fusion process is uncontrolled?

Short time periods are transients to steady state; could be some kind of short term catalytic reaction that produces heat, for example.

Given over the years that there have been several hoaxes in connection with cold fusion, what were the factors uncovered in the hoaxes? How did they try to fool us? In what way is the Rossi device different?

13 posted on 11/05/2011 3:19:59 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Kevmo

How many times are you going to post about this guy? You have stated his case over and over again, are you afraid we might forget he claims to have solved the Nuclear Fusion solution? Enough already, see if maybe you can add a little roundness to your education and get onto another subject.


14 posted on 11/05/2011 3:32:29 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

Kevmo, keep em coming.

I appreciate not having to search the internet for news regarding this subject.

If one is tired of reading Kevmo’s post, just don’t click.


15 posted on 11/05/2011 3:45:48 AM PDT by phoneman08 (Reagan conservative union member. Not a s rare as you think!)
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To: count-your-change

Poor journalism reflects badly on Rossi exactly how??

And Rossi did check for (and found) radiation...soft gamma rays...but not neutrons. Chemical processes don’t give off gamma.


16 posted on 11/05/2011 3:51:13 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: olezip
"To me, a key component of credibility is how long the device operates in the self-sustain mode. We would be looking for days, weeks, months of continuous operation."

"Self-sustain" mode is irrelevant for any purpose other than to convince the hard-core skeptics. As long as the COP is >3, it is a gigantic breakthrough.

"Given over the years that there have been several hoaxes in connection with cold fusion, what were the factors uncovered in the hoaxes? How did they try to fool us? In what way is the Rossi device different?"

Excuse me?? "Several hoaxes in connection with cold fusion"?? I've followed CF since Pons/Fleischmann, and I've NEVER heard of any hoaxes. Difficulties in reproducibility, but actual hoaxes.......no.

Other areas of "free energy".....yes......CF......no.

17 posted on 11/05/2011 3:57:01 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: calex59
"How many times are you going to post about this guy? You have stated his case over and over again, are you afraid we might forget he claims to have solved the Nuclear Fusion solution? Enough already, see if maybe you can add a little roundness to your education and get onto another subject."

If you're not interested in the topic, don't hit the link to the thread. Nobody forces your little pinkies to "click" there.

And as amazing as it may be to you, there "are" people on FR who are interested in the topic.

18 posted on 11/05/2011 3:59:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
Off to a work-related function all day.

Please post the source for the claim of gammas, as it is highly significant.

(And don't tell the EPA!)

Cheers!

19 posted on 11/05/2011 4:22:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Moonman62
Rossi isn’t a scientist. He is Italian, though.

Rossi doesn't have a PhD and an academic position. Neither did Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, and a number of other people who managed to accomplish things.

20 posted on 11/05/2011 4:29:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: Kevmo

OK great, so go build a power plant and put on the grid. The world is waiting for something like this. Now that it has been proven, there is no need for anyone to beleive it or agree with it. Just go do it!


21 posted on 11/05/2011 4:56:03 AM PDT by BRK
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To: Wonder Warthog
Excuse me?? "Several hoaxes in connection with cold fusion"?? I've followed CF since Pons/Fleischmann, and I've NEVER heard of any hoaxes. Difficulties in reproducibility, but actual hoaxes.......no.

Excuse me? Scientists Admit to Cold Fusion Hoax Delay

http://www.surrealscoop.com/2008/01/scientists-admit-to-cold-fusion-hoax.html

The proof of the pudding is an extended demonstration measured in days, weeks, months, and years of sustained production of energy via cold fusion, not for skeptics but to demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of cold fusion to the potential customer base.

If you want to please the "hard core skeptics" help them to replicate the technology in their labs.

22 posted on 11/05/2011 5:05:54 AM PDT by olezip
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To: Kevmo

I wish now for some all stainless steel SUV’s to appear on the market, if I had a HUMMER H2 I would just love to reskin it in brushed stainless.

And power it with a Mr. Fusion.

Just look at the irony of it, the much hated American super SUV, now in stainless, running on old coffee grinds and bana peels.

No charging stations, no highway taxes, its big, its bad, its a liberals worst nightmare.


23 posted on 11/05/2011 5:06:23 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: John Valentine; dinodino
As I understand it, he claims this thing is nuclear and the reaction produces gamma radiation.

Has Rossi had contact with nuclear regulators? They would be very, very interested if it did indeed work as claimed.

24 posted on 11/05/2011 5:15:21 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: olezip
Here is an interesting analysis, using Rossi's data from the last demo, that shows that the real power "generated" was as little as 70KW. That small an output could be easily faked.

Of course, we have Rossi's word that it was really working, and Rossi's word that the secret company was happy with the demonstration, so if we believe Rossi, then everything is wonderful.

Of course, Rossi is a convicted criminal, and has had at least two previous "energy" inventions that he sold, but which then turned out not to work. But, as long as you disregard things like that, everything is wonderful.

25 posted on 11/05/2011 5:55:26 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: olezip
Excuse me? Scientists Admit to Cold Fusion Hoax Delay
You do realize you've linked to a satire site?
26 posted on 11/05/2011 6:02:21 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: olezip

http://www.surrealscoop.com/2008/01/scientists-admit-to-cold-fusion-hoax.html

THAT is supposed to be proof of something? Its a tongue-in-cheek sarcasm tweek of the hot physicists. Did you actually bother to read it or just look at the title??

Or do you just have a VERY strange sense of humor??


27 posted on 11/05/2011 6:12:10 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: grey_whiskers
"Please post the source for the claim of gammas, as it is highly significant."

Mentioned all over the place in the reports of the demos and in the video commentaries on the E-Cat. I'll try to locate a few links. But it'll be a while, as I've got to take my car in for its "routine service" visit in an hour, which will probably kill the entire morning. If you want to scrounge around in the meantime, the LENR/CANR.org website has news and links to the reports. There are also copies of the reports in the "Library" section.

28 posted on 11/05/2011 6:17:49 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: dinodino
If you leave a 500 kWh genset running and attached to the experiment the whole time, and the experiment “produces” 470 kWh, don’t be surprised when skeptics cry foul.

I have never seen any documentation of the size of the genset. The 500 kVA figure was just one guy's wild ass guess, nothing more.

Beyond that, everyone with any experience of these things knows that just because a genset is rated X, does not mean it is producing X whenever it is running. In fact, a genset will only produce power as required by the load it is attached to.

Yes, the size of the genset was probably dictated by the initial loads associated with the preheating. So what? Why have another redundant and unnecessary power source just to placate the bystanders, the uninvolved, and the professional skeptics?

The only people that Rossi needed to be concerned about were the official observers, and you can be sure they did a complete energy accounting. Or you must assume that they were incompetent fools. BTW, no generator is rated as 500 kWh, they are rated in kVA or kW. Your lack of familiarity with the basics is on display here.

29 posted on 11/05/2011 6:18:21 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Kevmo
I achieve cold fusion on the second shelf of my refrigerator!


30 posted on 11/05/2011 6:27:12 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: calex59

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

IF you aren’t interested in the subject or the inventor then find another thread to squat on.

New articles are always welcome at Free Republic. Insults and deliberate hijacking of threads not so much.


31 posted on 11/05/2011 6:27:46 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: Wonder Warthog
The journalism is probably more important to the true believers than Rossi’s credibility, something his demos have soured beyond measure so far.

Since whether Rossi detected radiation and how is dependent on Rossi’s word junky journalism and breathless blogs seem to be the only source of information.

32 posted on 11/05/2011 6:34:27 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

In 1989 Fleischmann and Pons reported that they produced excess heat via cold fusion Low-Energy Nuclear Reaction. Their experiments could not be replicated, plus flawed positive replications were withdrawn, plus Fleischmann and Pons had not actually detected nuclear reaction byproducts as previously claimed.

A hoax is a deliberately fabricated falsehood made to masquerade as truth. It is distinguishable from errors in observation or judgment.


33 posted on 11/05/2011 6:39:09 AM PDT by olezip
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If FR Is Your Garden Of Sanity, Please Feed It


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34 posted on 11/05/2011 6:45:22 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: phoneman08

‘just don’t click’...right you are, phoneman, nobody has to click on anything they don’t wish to read. Kevmo is merely extending to us the opportunity to keep current on this matter. Whether it be real or ultimately a hoax, it is a fascinating display of either emerging science or human behavior. I, for one, hope it is proven to be true...both for the potential benefits and to put the ‘know it all’ big science (and big grant) folks in their place. I am also prepared for it to be a disappointment to it’s most enthusiastic proponents.


35 posted on 11/05/2011 6:49:09 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: Kevmo
If he can fuse Nickel (28Ni) and Hydrogen (1H) wouldn't he get '29' which is the Atomic # of Copper (29Cu)?

And, if he can fuse Nickel with *anything*, why waste time and just fuse the already common metals of Copper (29Cu) with Tin (50Sn) and get... GOLD (79Au)! He'd be a real Goldfinger and could rule the world.

Plus he's pulling a scam. I already tried fusing Nickel and Hydrogen and it doesn't work. I know, I've been building a Cold Fusion Reactor in my garage for years now. And his elements were some of the first things I tried. All that did was pop my circuit breaker.

36 posted on 11/05/2011 6:49:11 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo's Daily Cold Fusion Blog Post - Cold Fusion Scam


37 posted on 11/05/2011 6:49:21 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: dogcaller

“Kevmo is merely extending to us the opportunity to keep current on this matter.”

No, he is not. He is spamming FFR with blogs posts and other nonsense that he posts in the “News” section. This is a scam and Kevmo has INTRADE.com and probably other personal interests. It is news to post about legitimate news articles. He posts 1-4 blogs posts and other non-news items every single day. That is spamming, not reporting.


38 posted on 11/05/2011 6:54:07 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: dogcaller

“nobody has to click on anything they don’t wish to read.”

Sure, but his thread titles still are read as they are in the Articles and Comments listings. If he doesn’t like our comments then he can simply stop posting the threads. That is how FR works, someone posts a thread and others comment. Telling people to simply not post on the threads is a liberal tactic.


39 posted on 11/05/2011 6:55:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Kevmo

If I lived in a time before steam engines were invented and I attended a public debate on the feasibility of something called railroads and there were long discussions of torgue and track gauges I would stand up and ask: “I can’t follow the science, but can you please tell me when I can expect train service between New York and Philadelphia?”

Well, I can’t follow the science, but can you please tell me when my toaster will be powered by a cold-fusion electric generator?

Commercial success talks. Bullish!t walks.


40 posted on 11/05/2011 7:03:29 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: varyouga

Not an issue. Nuclear regulators are concerned with radioactive substances. There’s nothing for them to regulate here. Neither the reactants (Hydrogen, Nickel) or the product (Copper and according to analysis but not the patent, Iron) are radioactive. Gamma radiation is electromagnetic, so there’s nothing to see there, so to speak.


41 posted on 11/05/2011 7:22:49 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Condor51; Kevmo
If he can fuse Nickel (28Ni) and Hydrogen (1H) wouldn't he get '29' which is the Atomic # of Copper (29Cu)? And, if he can fuse Nickel with *anything*, why waste time and just fuse the already common metals of Copper (29Cu) with Tin (50Sn) and get... GOLD (79Au)! He'd be a real Goldfinger and could rule the world.

124Sn (weight 123.9052739) + 63Cu (weight 62.9295975) might produce 187Au (weight 186.964568), but the mass of the input atoms (186.8348714) is less than the mass of the output by 0.1296966 amu, which means you would need an input energy of 121 MeV to make it happen.

The nickel-to-copper reaction, OTOH, appears like it would have a net output energy of at least 6 MeV (my math on this thread)

42 posted on 11/05/2011 7:39:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: John Valentine
The only people that Rossi needed to be concerned about were the official observers, and you can be sure they did a complete energy accounting.

How can we be sure of that? Rossi's number one fan says Rossi's demos are non-scientific and that he sucks (Kevmo's word) at giving them. And have they come out with a reason why the output was only at half rating? Perhaps the generator wasn't big enough.

Or you must assume that they were incompetent fools.

Shills and nutballs is more like it.

43 posted on 11/05/2011 7:55:12 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Johnny B.
The fact that no independent measurement was reported of pressure or steam quality indicates that Fioravanti is no more competent than Essen and Kallunder were.

They are all probably getting money from Rossi.

44 posted on 11/05/2011 8:06:24 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: olezip

There have? Let’s see the references ~


45 posted on 11/05/2011 9:02:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: olezip
Did anybody here notice that the LAST NOTE on the page at the end of the story said:

LATE BREAKING NEWS: Researchers at the Gorilla-Parrot Breeding Institute in Enfield are to convene a press conference tomorrow on the 'Origins of Amy Winehouse.'.........

This is a less than serious site!

46 posted on 11/05/2011 9:09:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Wonder Warthog; grey_whiskers
There have been repeated references to GAMMA RADIATION from Strong Nuclear Force physicists and from "newsies" who weren't paying attention.

They have this theory that it is ONLY through heavy proton or neutron bombardment that you can get fusion ~ real fusion ~ something you can stick your fingers in.

I have been quite startled at the number of people who claim to be trained in the Four Fundamental Forces of the Universe who did not read about The Weak Nuclear Force and "tunneling" ~ an otherwise commonly understood phenomenon that occurs because matter is energy, and visa versa!

Seriously guys, the smart people have been working over their descriptions of the Four Forces and how they work for decades and there are easy to understand websites that can readily enlighten almost anyone who can read.

I have a retarded friend I'm going to pass the Weak Force stuff past and see if he can deal with it. My guess is he can.

47 posted on 11/05/2011 9:16:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Moonman62

Edison found plenty of customers for his lightbulbs. That was in a time before Einstein had a chance to pontificate.


48 posted on 11/05/2011 9:18:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dangus
Gamma radiation is electromagnetic, so there’s nothing to see there, so to speak.
Really?!?

Using the traditional, well-established equations for this nuclear reaction, Rossi's E-Cat ought to be putting out enough gamma radiation to kill everyone in the room in a matter of hours, or even minutes. And, the amount of lead shielding he claims to be using is totally inadequate to stop those gamma rays.

Rossi himself claims that his device works by "unknown nuclear reactions" (from his patent application), so he can't explain how it works, or how safe or unsafe it is.

If his device really is a nuclear reactor (as Rossi claims) and no one, including Rossi, understands how it works, it is reckless to allow them to be sold as though they are ordinary boilers. In the U.S., at least, you can't even sell ordinary 1MW boilers without government permits.

Of course, if Rossi's device doesn't really do what Rossi claims, then there is no reason he would be worried about getting certification for his "Mr. Fusion".

49 posted on 11/05/2011 9:24:54 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: Moonman62
Rossi isn’t a scientist. He is Italian, though.

If, so, that is the only thing he hasn't faked ...

50 posted on 11/05/2011 9:27:04 AM PDT by NewinTexsas
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