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Italian scientist claims he has achieved 'cold fusion'
The Daily Mail Online ^ | Last updated at 4:56 PM on 4th November 2011 | By Martin Robinson

Posted on 11/05/2011 12:58:45 AM PDT by Kevmo


Andrea Rossi says his new machine fuses nickel and hydrogen at room temperature creating almost unlimited energy .

But there is one problem - many scientists claim it defies the very laws of physics. Several high-profile demonstrations of 'cold fusion' have been proven to be hoaxes in the past - and no one can adequately explain how or why it might work .

The United States Department of Energy the U.S. Patent Office say the process is impossible because physics rules out the possibility of room-temperature nuclear fusion .

But Rossi's E-Cat machine can allegedly do it, and he says he proved it worked during tests at the University of Bologna last month .



Key: Rossi says he has produced a pattern of triple track atoms, pictured, which is at the heart of the cold fusion theory


'We have nothing to say, just to make plans that work properly and let those facts win against the scepticism.'
Sterling Allan, CEO of the alternative energy news agency Pure Energy Systems, told FoxNews.com he attended Rossi’s demonstration and the E-Cat is self sustaining .

'What Rossi demonstrated was 470 kilowatts of continuous output in self-sustain mode -- meaning the output was enough to keep the thing running on its own,' he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: NewinTexsas
He says the shielding stops the rays. He is going to have to transport it as a radioactive device.
That's an interesting point. If current theory is correct, then the amount of shielding he used is totally inadequate.

If current theory is wrong, then we have no idea what Rossi's device is capable of doing. Maybe if you wire something up backwards it will blow up, taking an entire city with it. Rossi can't claim that it's safe if he can't explain how it operates.

Of course, if the water is being heated by a known but hidden electrical or chemical reaction, then the E-Cat is no more dangerous than a "normal" large boiler along with any danger unique to how he's faking his demos.

There were several people on the vortex email list who were genuinely concerned that the E-Cat (regardless of what else it was) was a poorly-designed boiler and that it might explode during the demonstration. Fortunately, it didn't actually come anywhere near to its rated power level, and could have actually produced as little as 70KW of power, based on Rossi's own data.

81 posted on 11/05/2011 12:40:17 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: NewinTexsas
Well, let's see, in on a decision to buy a plug in strain gauge reader for strain gauges already installed on 60 foot boxes that can easily transport FAR MORE THAN 13,000 kgs.

Did you realize that almost every 40 ft, 50ft and 60 ft box on the road already has on board strain gauges that allow state enforcement officers to run around out in the country tapping them as they seek to evade standard weigh stations.

BTW, we decided to not buy one at that time. On the other hand we were reduced to buying points for our antiquated 100 ton beam balances from a custom shop in Brazil. He's was cheap but how long was he going to be in business making antiques.

82 posted on 11/05/2011 12:55:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NewinTexsas
The basic technology in a strain gauge is already TOP OF THE LINE ~ just short of being able to measure quantum noise. You buy one you got something that technically can't have an inferior version.

The device that computes the weight is much more important.

83 posted on 11/05/2011 12:57:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: John Valentine

Whatever you say. I tried to still-frame the video to see the model number of the genset, and consequently its capacity, and couldn’t do it. The manufacturer info was just out of frame.

When I said that the genset was rated at 500 kWh, I meant 500 kW. I have a 13.5 kW genset at home, actually, and yes, the figure was taken from the other observer’s report. I can tell you that the genset shown in the video is dramatically larger than my home genset.

Try to explain away the connected genset any way you want, but it stinks to high heaven, just like everything else associated with Rossi.


84 posted on 11/05/2011 1:14:47 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: muawiyah
Well, let's see, in on a decision to buy a plug in strain gauge reader for strain gauges already installed on 60 foot boxes that can easily transport FAR MORE THAN 13,000 kgs. Did you realize that almost every 40 ft, 50ft and 60 ft box on the road already has on board strain gauges that allow state enforcement officers to run around out in the country tapping them as they seek to evade standard weigh stations. BTW, we decided to not buy one at that time. On the other hand we were reduced to buying points for our antiquated 100 ton beam balances from a custom shop in Brazil. He's was cheap but how long was he going to be in business making antiques.

Rossi used a bathroom scale to measure a 13,000 plus kg H2 vessel. Stay on topic.

85 posted on 11/05/2011 1:14:59 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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86 posted on 11/05/2011 1:16:38 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: muawiyah
The basic technology in a strain gauge is already TOP OF THE LINE ~ just short of being able to measure quantum noise. You buy one you got something that technically can't have an inferior version. The device that computes the weight is much more important.

Please show me the specs for a strain gauge that will read to one part in a billion as you stated AND then show that it can be put in a $50 bathroom scale. Thanks.

87 posted on 11/05/2011 1:16:49 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: muawiyah
The basic technology in a strain gauge is already TOP OF THE LINE ~ just short of being able to measure quantum noise. You buy one you got something that technically can't have an inferior version.

Sometimes I have read something twice to make sure that the person really wrote such nonsense.

88 posted on 11/05/2011 2:42:36 PM PDT by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
You'll have to look it up yourself. I real quick found some strain gauges that you just stick on to whatever it is you want a weight signal from ~ then there are full box Load Cells designed to run way beyond 20,000 pounds on one platform and they cost a few hundred.

The weight capacity has NOTHING to do with this technology. You stick a copper wire through a steel block, you can read the current ~ and depending how many times (1 million, 100,000 or 10) you will get different qualities of signal out of that load cell.

You use a couple of pieces of polymer with a brass foil in the center, your quality will still depend more on your chip than on the load cell/strain gauge.

If I were putting together a bathroom scale I'd buy them by the hundreds of thousands and probably pay about 25% of what you'd pay for just one. The rest of the outfit can be put together in a toy manufacturing shop in Hong Kong or Guandung. They do all that sort of thing these days.

Assuming you don't set fire to the equipment the sensitivity of this form of weighing is dependent on deformation of an electric current. Good current ~ > Good signal.

The Postal sampling scales we were buying initially cost over $1000 a pop, but as that technology became more common that price dropped into the hundreds ~ but with a Postal Scale you need multiple read-outs and a set of precision leveling screws PLUS a set of standard weights ~ and they cost some money too.

Your typical bathroom scale can be calibrated at the factory and has a need for only one read out. It's also not varying the number of measurements taken so it can give you a weight with confidence to 6 digits to the right of the decimal point. But it could if you put in the read-outs and the balance screws.

89 posted on 11/05/2011 3:00:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NewinTexsas
He says the shielding stops the rays. He is going to have to transport it as a radioactive device.

Radioactive: Emitting energy waves due to decaying atomic nuclei.

If it does not contain materials that spontaneously fission, then it is not a radioactive device. If it only emits high-energy photons when turned on, then it is no more a radioactive device than an x-ray machine is.

90 posted on 11/05/2011 3:13:54 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Civilization is unnatural. It is a whim of circumstance. Barbarism must always ultimately triumph.)
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To: PapaBear3625
If it only emits high-energy photons when turned on, then it is no more a radioactive device than an x-ray machine is.
You can't sell x-ray machines without extensive testing and certification. They can, and have, killed people when they were out of specifications, or when their operators or software operated them incorrectly.

Why would Rossi's device be exempt from similar rules and restrictions?

91 posted on 11/05/2011 3:57:33 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: CodeToad

BS.

Censorship is a liberal tactic. Communist actually.

I never suggested for anyone not to post their opinion. Just to not bother reading his post if someone finds the subject at hand so worthless.

Advocating for Kevmo to not post Cold Fusion related material is censorship.


92 posted on 11/05/2011 4:04:34 PM PDT by phoneman08 (Reagan conservative union member. Not a s rare as you think!)
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To: olezip
"Their experiments could not be replicated, plus flawed positive replications were withdrawn, plus Fleischmann and Pons had not actually detected nuclear reaction byproducts as previously claimed."

Nice regurgitation of the "hot physics" meme about cold fusion. Unfortunately, there have been quite a few replications, many very recently. And done by researchers who are completely above board and legit.

"A hoax is a deliberately fabricated falsehood made to masquerade as truth. It is distinguishable from errors in observation or judgment."

So, based on that criterion, please point out ANY true hoax involving CF. As I said, I've been following the subject for quite a few years, and I'm not aware of anything that has been a actual hoax.

93 posted on 11/05/2011 4:34:08 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Johnny B.
"Using the traditional, well-established equations for this nuclear reaction, Rossi's E-Cat ought to be putting out enough gamma radiation to kill everyone in the room in a matter of hours, or even minutes. And, the amount of lead shielding he claims to be using is totally inadequate to stop those gamma rays."

It's fairly obvious from MANY experiments (not just Rossi) that CF doesn't follow the "traditional, well-established equations for this nuclear reaction". And since I've not seen any information on what the gamma spectrum of the E-Cat looks like as far as gamma energy, I know darned well you have no way to tell whether "the amount of lead shielding he claims is totally inadequate to stop those gamma rays". Rossi says "weak gammas" on the same energy order as x-rays., which don't take a gigantic amount of shielding.

Note....part of my grad school background is in nuclear science, so I have actually done shielding calculations (one of my courses was "Introduction to Nuclear Engineering", which had a section of shielding design and calculations), and know what is involved.

94 posted on 11/05/2011 4:45:10 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Johnny B.

Nothing for the NRC to regulate, I mean. Silly me, I presumed that the machine would come with shielding.


95 posted on 11/05/2011 4:47:49 PM PDT by dangus
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To: King Moonracer

And with a far lower mortadellity rate than tradition fission reactors.


96 posted on 11/05/2011 4:53:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: phoneman08

“Advocating for Kevmo to not post Cold Fusion related material is censorship.”

Nice try at spin. I’m not advocating he not post about Cold Fusion news. I am advocating that he stop spamming FR with blog posts in the news section about Rossi’s scam.

I bet that went right over your head.


97 posted on 11/05/2011 4:59:02 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
there have been quite a few replications, many very recently. And done by researchers who are completely above board and legit.

...encouraging for the cold fusion technology. Can you provide web links in connection with these successful replications?

Still looking forward to long term positive results from the cold fusion demonstrations.

98 posted on 11/05/2011 5:08:39 PM PDT by olezip
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To: olezip
"...encouraging for the cold fusion technology. Can you provide web links in connection with these successful replications?"

Search on {"George Miley" cold fusion}, {"Brian Ahern" cold fusion} and {"Edmund Storms" cold fusion} (omitting the curly brackets, of course). Also "Brillouin Energy". Some of these are much lower energy than Rossi is getting, but others are in the same ballpark. Also Sergio Focardi's old partner Piantelli has just released information for results rivalling Rossi's.

99 posted on 11/05/2011 6:37:57 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: grey_whiskers

“Please post the source for the claim of gammas, as it is highly significant.”

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/VillaMonthegamma.pdf


100 posted on 11/05/2011 6:56:42 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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