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J. Edgar -- The Film Falls For KGB Disinformation (Was the famous FBI director really gay?)
American Thinker ^ | 11/09/2011 | Bernie Reeves

Posted on 11/09/2011 7:27:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind

The rumor that J. Edgar Hoover was gay is repeated in the new biopic J. Edgar opening this week. And herein lies a useful lesson worth noting: Hoover's alleged homosexuality was contrived by the KGB in the 1960s.

Despite the volumes of revelations about the true nature of the Soviet Union during the Cold War, even clear-thinking Americans cannot embrace the reality that one of the KGB's key functions was to run disinformation programs to undermine leaders and institutions in the West, especially the United States - what the spy agency called the "main adversary

In the 1960s Service A and Directorate K were the key departments dedicated to destabilizing Western nations. A large apparatus recruited agents to infiltrate government agencies, the arts, the film community, academia, think tanks and activist groups with the mission to recruit gullible leftists to the worldwide socialist revolution. One stunning example was using Phillip Agee, a former CIA officer, to publish names of active CIA officers and agents.

Another campaign sought to pin the JFK assassination on HL Hunt and other Texas oilmen, and later the CIA. There was an organized campaign to discredit Martin Luther King, Jr. after he repudiated Soviet communism, and later to manufacture the conspiracy theory that the CIA introduced AIDS into the black community.

The attack by Service A on the FBI director began with forged letters connecting him the John Birch Society and leaked forged letters to columnist Drew Pearson accusing Hoover of pressing a State Department employee to turn over information on suspected leftists.

But the scheme to characterize Hoover as a homosexual was so successful it has remained in the American memory, becoming an accepted fact expressed in books, films, on campus and on television as a confirmed fact.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: History; Music/Entertainment; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: fbi; homosexualagenda; jedgarhoover; kgb; pederastagenda

1 posted on 11/09/2011 7:27:51 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

later


2 posted on 11/09/2011 7:34:52 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Hoover’s alleged homosexuality was contrived by the KGB in the 1960s.”

Yeah, I’m sure the KGB also contrived the facts that Hoover never married, never dated a woman seriously, lived with his mother until she died, and had an ever-present male companion that he took vacations with.


3 posted on 11/09/2011 7:35:40 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

Wasn’t it Madame Lansky to make this claim?


4 posted on 11/09/2011 7:36:55 AM PST by decimon
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To: SeekAndFind

5 posted on 11/09/2011 7:37:04 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: SeekAndFind

There were more books than AGEE’s.

One after another “books” came out to discredit the CIA.
In 73 they did everything they could to destroy the CIA with the Church Commission.
They failed but the same bunch at work then is now running the Obama Administration and oops right out of the gate they went after the CIA.

The FBI was on their target list too, but Hoover had to much on them.

Once a commie always a commie.


6 posted on 11/09/2011 7:42:39 AM PST by marty60
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To: Boogieman
Yeah, I’m sure the KGB also contrived the facts that Hoover never married, never dated a woman seriously, lived with his mother until she died, and had an ever-present male companion that he took vacations with.

Had an old Irish uncle who would fit above description. Definitely not Gay. He was also a drinker. Usually several pints after work at the mill. He probably realized no woman (except his Mom) would accept such behavior. Don't be so influenced by our present day-and-age. In other eras, people were more simple, and not so obsessed by sex, and there was no media that shoved it in their faces.

7 posted on 11/09/2011 7:44:35 AM PST by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Boogieman
Yeah, I’m sure the KGB also contrived the facts that Hoover never married, never dated a woman seriously, lived with his mother until she died, and had an ever-present male companion that he took vacations with.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

8 posted on 11/09/2011 7:45:53 AM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: SeekAndFind
next they're going to say that a president with a manservant/trainer/blackberry holder named Reggie Love is gay

hmmm.. must be the KGB getting back together

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9 posted on 11/09/2011 7:47:33 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: SeekAndFind
FWIW - My family knew Melvin Purvis when he retired to Florence, SC after his career with the FBI.

According to him, Hoover was an absolute work-a-holic who had no time for any social or personal involvements of any kind.

The FBI was Hoover's life and his mistress.

10 posted on 11/09/2011 7:52:36 AM PST by N. Theknow (Idi Obama = Just your everyday, ordinary, 3rd World Dictator)
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To: SeekAndFind

nonsense....Hoover was gay....


11 posted on 11/09/2011 7:54:57 AM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now, and in the future)
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To: SeekAndFind

I liked the Ernest Borgnine Hoover.


12 posted on 11/09/2011 7:55:17 AM PST by Irenic
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To: The Wizard
..Hoover was gay....

Well at least in that case, playing Hoover wasn't a stretch for Leo DiCaprio.

13 posted on 11/09/2011 7:58:25 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

I won’t be watching this hollyweird revision of history.


14 posted on 11/09/2011 8:00:52 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: decimon

I think Susan Rosenstiel got a story out to the NYT and the NYT had to retract the story (hidden in the back pages) or something like that.

Decent link here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/va911truth/message/847

The Ernest Borgnine movie really is good.


15 posted on 11/09/2011 8:13:22 AM PST by Irenic
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To: SeekAndFind

"We're not Gay! You're Gay! Shut Up!"

16 posted on 11/09/2011 8:22:07 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: PGR88

Sure, that may have been more common in times past, but the fact is that people back then who knew Hoover were always speculating about him, whether or not the KGB decided jump in and push the rumors. I think the KGB just tried to take advantage, they didn’t create the suspicions.


17 posted on 11/09/2011 8:23:13 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Oztrich Boy

Doesn’t that pic look just a tad phony to you?


18 posted on 11/09/2011 8:32:10 AM PST by decimon
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To: PGR88; SeekAndFind
Had an old Irish uncle who would fit the above description. Definitely not Gay.

I agree with your assessment. Somewhere I had read of a classic explanation for that state of being. Simply put, the person is so involved in their own world and certainly with people who are wedded to a career - description is apt. That being a "Professional Bachelor".

The lovely lady who is also a pianist and who did so well in the Bush administration fits that description. I bear in mind the wise saying that "one cannot disprove a smear". Not completely true in every case, but there is just no hard and fast rule to crush a smear. That is why the lefties use smears.

19 posted on 11/09/2011 8:46:25 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra
Was Professor Henry Higgins gay? After all he didn't want a woman in his life and even sang about it...
I'm an ordinary man,
Who desires nothing more than an ordinary chance,
to live exactly as he likes, and do precisely what he wants...
An average man am I, of no eccentric whim,
Who likes to live his life, free of strife,
doing whatever he thinks is best, for him, Well... just an ordinary man...

BUT, Let a woman in your life and your serenity is through,
she'll redecorate your home, from the cellar to the dome,
and then go on to the enthralling fun of overhauling you...
Let a woman in your life, and you're up against a wall,
make a plan and you will find,
that she has something else in mind,

and so rather than do either you do something else
that neither likes at all You want to talk of Keats and Milton,
she only wants to talk of love,
You go to see a play or ballet, and spend it searching
for her glove, Let a woman in your life
and you invite eternal strife,

Let them buy their wedding bands for those anxious little hands...

I'd be equally as willing for a dentist to be drilling

than to ever let a woman in my life,
I'm a very gentle man, even tempered and good natured who you never hear complain,
Who has the milk of human kindness by the quart in every vein,
A patient man am I, down to my fingertips, the sort who never could, ever would,
let an insulting remark escape his lips Very gentle man...

But, Let a woman in your life,
and patience hasn't got a chance,
she will beg you for advice, your reply will be concise,
and she will listen very nicely, and then go out
and do exactly what she wants!!!
You are a man of grace and polish,
who never spoke above a hush,
all at once you're using language that would make
a sailor blush, Let a woman in your life,
and you're plunging in a knife,

Let the others of my sex, tie the knot around their necks,
I prefer a new edition of the Spanish Inquisition
than to ever let a woman in my life

I'm a quiet living man,
who prefers to spend the evening in the silence of his room,
who likes an atmosphere as restful as an undiscovered tomb,
A pensive man am I, of philosophical joys,
who likes to meditate, contemplate,
far for humanities mad inhuman noise,
Quiet living man....

But, let a woman in your life, and your sabbatical is through,
in a line that never ends comes an army of her friends, come to jabber and to chatter and to tell her what the matter is with YOU!,
she'll have a booming boisterous family,
who will descend on you en mass,
she'll have a large wagnarian mother,
with a voice that shatters glass,

Let a woman in your life,
Let a woman in your life,
Let a woman in your life I shall never let a woman in my life.

20 posted on 11/09/2011 9:51:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nope. Eliza Doolittle changed all that after he became “Accustomed to Her Face”.


21 posted on 11/09/2011 10:23:17 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: SeekAndFind
Your post #20.

Wow! Now the whole thing is ringing through my head, having seen the whole performance. Ah,innocent (well almost)pre gay times, when homosexual was homosexual and people knew. Never dared make false accusations or face retribution.

Well done!

22 posted on 11/09/2011 12:30:42 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: SeekAndFind
I remember Rush Limbaugh saying the following on his program several years ago:

"Say what you want about J. Edgar Hoover, but when he was around, nobody messed with the F.B.I.....and he looked better in a dress than Janet Reno!"

23 posted on 11/09/2011 12:34:22 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: dfwgator
While I don't much care for Leonardo DeCrapio - the dude DOES get more bumper than a body shop from whatever supermodel de jour he is currently dating.

Oh yeah, and Hoover was as queer as a three dollar bill.

24 posted on 11/09/2011 12:35:41 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
the dude DOES get more bumper than a body shop from whatever supermodel de jour he is currently dating.

You mean the beard he is currently dating.

25 posted on 11/09/2011 12:36:41 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: dfwgator

If you say so. I don’t know - but I do know he seems to run around after absurdly hot women. Not that there is anything wrong with that! ;)


26 posted on 11/09/2011 12:39:38 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Then there was the KGB rumour that Rock Hudson and Liberace were “gay”, when both of them were married! To wymyn!


27 posted on 11/09/2011 12:44:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gay? Don't think so. (And this was before Doris became a virgin!)

28 posted on 11/09/2011 12:48:24 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Boogieman; a fool in paradise
lived with his mother until she died

J. Edgar appears to have been a proto-computer hacker, you know, fanboy.

29 posted on 11/09/2011 12:52:39 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

“I knew Doris Day before she was a virgin” Oscar Levant


30 posted on 11/09/2011 12:53:52 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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31 posted on 11/09/2011 1:05:27 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

as a 3 dollar bill! lol.


32 posted on 11/09/2011 5:01:05 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: SeekAndFind
All that sounds quite tame and predictable: "How come he never married? How come you never see him out on a date with a woman? Why does he live with a male subordinate?"

You didn't need the KGB to ask such questions and give the expected answers, and it's not like the Soviets were Hoover's only enemies.

If there is a "conspiracy" here, you can chalk it up to the Mafia, and it's not really a conspiracy, just one of those rumors that spread and spread.

Mafiosi said they had photos of Hoover in a dress and by now a lot of people believe they did.

I don't know what Hoover got up to in the bedroom, but it's more likely that no such photos existed than that the Mafia had them.

33 posted on 11/09/2011 5:39:54 PM PST by x
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To: SeekAndFind
Saw this movie last night. The only indication of Hoover's homosexuality is based on private conversations between him and Tolson, which, obviously, were never made public, and a blurb at the end of the movie that Tolson was the only beneficiary of the Hoover estate. Slim pickings, when the entire premise of the movie is less about what Hoover accomplished in a lifetime of dedication to his country, and more about "Brokeback Mountain" in really great suits and with fewer horses.

Incidently, the film also insinuates that Hoover couldn't blackmail Roosevlelt with a suggestive letter from his wife to her lesbian lover, because Roosevelt knew about the relationship, and was cool with it. It also has a wiretap of President Kennedy having sex with "as East German Communist," and AG Bobby Kennedy more interested persuing Martin Luther King than further prosecution of Communist infiltrators.

Look, it is high time people on this website come to terms with the fact that libertarians and conservatives are different KINDS of Republicans. Federal law enforcement is not popular among libertarians.

As the son of a retired FBI agent, I am glad I did not see this movie with my father, as we originally planned. I am going to talk him and my mother into seeing the Margaret Thatcher biopic instead. Maybe it will get into her alleged affair with Ronald Reagan.

34 posted on 12/03/2011 9:14:37 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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