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Are teachers overpaid, considering they get summers off?
South Florida Sun Sentinel ^ | November 9, 2011 | Gary Stein

Posted on 11/09/2011 8:01:14 AM PST by ConservativeStatement

Leave it to right-wing think tanks to tell the world that teachers are overpaid.

Right wingers hate unions and they hate paying public employees, so keep that in mind as you try to digest recent surveys from The American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation that say teachers just make too much money.

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TOPICS: Education; Society
KEYWORDS: education; freep; homeschool; liberalbias; liberalism; lies; nea; poll; sunsentinel; teachers; unions

1 posted on 11/09/2011 8:01:15 AM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement
"Are teachers overpaid, considering they get summers off?"

Yes, many teachers are over paid. It is not because they get summers off. It is because they aren't doing the job of educating students.

2 posted on 11/09/2011 8:05:15 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Looks like this Journalist didn’t bother reporting any facts about how many days a year teacher’s work, what they get paid, their benefits package, or really inject any information whatsoever.

And, this appears to be in the NEWS section, not the Opinion area.


3 posted on 11/09/2011 8:05:44 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Right wingers hate unions

Yeah, so?

4 posted on 11/09/2011 8:10:00 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ConservativeStatement; All
Bookmarked and poll freeped.

Might want to freep the poll on the page folks, looks like a lot of leftists are visiting not surprisingly.

5 posted on 11/09/2011 8:11:17 AM PST by mainestategop (Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away After America , There is No Place to Go)
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To: ConservativeStatement

If your job is so bad, why not do something else?

Teachers don’t have a bad gig...


6 posted on 11/09/2011 8:12:01 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Baynative

I think teachers should be contractors. Good ones will be sought out and paid top dollar, bad ones can work at Quik-E-Mart.

I’m getting a little tired of the excuses from teachers who suck. Last night we defeated a $22 million dollar bond measure to build a new school. They claimed they need a new school for a better “learning environment”. A good teacher could teach in a barn and do just fine.


7 posted on 11/09/2011 8:13:43 AM PST by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Right wingers hate unions and they hate paying public employees, so keep that in mind as you try to digest recent surveys from The American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation that say teachers just make too much money.

"Right wingers hate . . . and they hate" . . .

No, no bias or prejudice here. Keep on reading!!

/sarc

The Sun Sentinel is one of Flori-duh's most left wing propagandist rags. Take everything they say, invert it, divide by the price of peanut butter and you might get a grain of truth.

8 posted on 11/09/2011 8:16:23 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Yes, teachers are overpaid.

I give public schools a grade of “F” so I am going to say they are overpaid.

Personally, I believe teachers should make about 1/2 as much as nurses.

- I’ve seen nurese have to run to the aid of patients.
- I’ve seen nurses have to stick suppositories up old hairy people’s asses.
- If nurses make mistakes, the consequences could be grave.
- If a nurse makes a mistake, they could be fired.
- Nurses work every shift there is.
- Nurses work every holiday — including, Christmas, Labor Day, etc.
- Nurses don’t get tenure.
- Nurses don’t get a 3 month vacation every year.
- Nurses don’t have union thugs representing their every wish.
- Teachers get every benefit ever known to man .... and then some more.
- We don’t need more money spent on education when so many teachers’ unions are worth billions and billions of dollars. If they own airlines, office buildings, golf courses, etc., they really don’t need more money for education.
- Teachers come up with a lesson plan one year and repeat it every year for 25 years. It’s all about passing the standardized tests.

There are obviously some good teachers. Many of them are victims of the FAILED system. Unfortunately, many of them aren’t very good. Many of them went to colleges that rival degree mills and then they set there and draw checks for 25 years.

I’ve been around both and I find that nurses have to work much harder and put in more hours than teachers. I believe nurses have to know more too.

So do I believe teachers are overpaid? YES!!!!!!!!


9 posted on 11/09/2011 8:27:14 AM PST by boycott (CAL)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I confronted a teacher that I know with the “summers off” argument, and that lying sack said he didn’t get paid for that time. Meanwhile, he is always complaining about being broke because the taxes are so high. He’s right about the taxes because he lives in the PRNJ, but I wonder if he realizes that those taxes are paying for his $80K salary and free health care?


10 posted on 11/09/2011 8:27:18 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Considering that we pay billions upon billions of dollars for public education and end up with kids who don't even know that plurals to not have apostrophes or end in the letter "z" (such as "I have three dog's" or "I bought two sweaterz today")...

...And that this generation has no clue who we fought against in World War 2 or where Iraq and Afghanistan are...

...But are able to spout off a bunch of marxist claptrap talking points about global warming and multiculturalism...

...Then HELL YES, we're overpaying our teachers.

11 posted on 11/09/2011 8:30:18 AM PST by 60Gunner (Eternal vigilance or eternal rest. Make your choice.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Yes. In many places they would still be overpaid if they worked the summer.


12 posted on 11/09/2011 8:32:10 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: boycott

This ER nurse thanks you.


13 posted on 11/09/2011 8:33:17 AM PST by 60Gunner (Eternal vigilance or eternal rest. Make your choice.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Teachers are way over paid as it is. When you tally, the work conditions, salary, health benes, pensions, health care for life, easy work hours, off time, etc, they are making a killing.


14 posted on 11/09/2011 8:34:12 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: cripplecreek
"A good teacher could teach in a barn and do just fine."

Teachers that are proven performers are worth more to our country than the politicians who represent us and should be paid accordingly. People like Dr. Steve Perry are worth more to America than our congress.

(IMO, he does more for our country than congress does, too.)

15 posted on 11/09/2011 8:35:17 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Easy test.....when I was in grade school, it was big news when one of the teachers bought a new car. I drive by the schools now, and the teachers all have cars that are better than mine.


16 posted on 11/09/2011 8:43:51 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: 60Gunner

“Your” and “You’re.” “’s” and “s’.” But nothing compares to the excessive usage of the word “like.” People in the 20s and even 30s use that word multiple times in a sentence and it is irritating.


17 posted on 11/09/2011 8:46:36 AM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: cripplecreek
I think teachers should be contractors. Good ones will be sought out and paid top dollar, bad ones can work at Quik-E-Mart.

I agree. Turn them loose in the free market, pay for results (as defined by the employer). Golly, that sounds like most normal people's jobs, doesn't it?

Maybe it's not that teachers are overpaid, but that day-care workers are underpaid, because in many cases, that's all the "teachers" really are: supervisors of the juvie inmates for as many hours as the parents can get the general public to support.

18 posted on 11/09/2011 8:49:59 AM PST by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

If teachers are overpaid then why aren’t the best and brightest rushing to take the jobs?


19 posted on 11/09/2011 8:50:04 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: cripplecreek
I think teachers should be contractors. Good ones will be sought out and paid top dollar, bad ones can work at Quik-E-Mart.

I had a relative who was following the union line and complaining about how basketball players like Michael Jordan (which tells you about when it happened) made millions while teachers were underpaid. I responded that if they had the top 300* or so teachers in the country teach classes to every student in their subject and grade by video those few teachers could make millions, while all but those top 300 could be laid off. She didn't like that idea one bit.

*I picked 300 because it was about the number of NBA players at the time.

20 posted on 11/09/2011 8:50:08 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: boycott
Your ultimate test is the law of supply and demand.

Our school district gets at least 100 qualified applicants for every advertised opening. Average salary in our district is around $58K per year.

Go southwest to rural West Virginia about two hours as the crow flies and the average salary drops to about $32K per year. Qualified applicants are a good deal scarcer. Considering that there are quite similar costs of living between SW Pennsylvania and West Virginia, you should put the market wage somewhere between $32K and $58K per year. But the labor cartel won't allow it.

21 posted on 11/09/2011 8:52:15 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Considering the quality of the product produced..? Way overpaid.


22 posted on 11/09/2011 8:53:35 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: 60Gunner

Oh, no...there were TWO World Wars? :-)


23 posted on 11/09/2011 8:59:18 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Moonman62
If teachers are overpaid then why aren’t the best and brightest rushing to take the jobs?

Because "overpaid" for what a teacher (generally) does and what a teacher (generally) is capable of doesn't approach what an intelligent and motivated person can earn in a real job as an engineer, surgeon, banker, small-business owner, etc.

In addition, many intelligent and motivated people don't want to spend four years of college on idiotized "education," and then spend their careers fighting through mobs of zombies in the attempt to do something worthwhile. Short work hours/work years, consequence-proof tenure, and so on are "rewards" for dull-witted drones, not for people with real ability and real education.

Those of the "best and brightest" who really want to teach some subject find themselves positions in private education and earn what they're worth in the free market, in the combination of monetary and intangible rewards that suits them as individuals.

24 posted on 11/09/2011 8:59:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Teachers are offered a contract every year. It’s a yearly contract for X amount of money. They can opt to receive it over 12 months in which they’d get a check during the summer break or take it for 10 months in which they’d not receive a check during the summer break.


25 posted on 11/09/2011 9:01:02 AM PST by SkyDancer ('If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate ")
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To: Fresh Wind

How can you blame a teacher for what they make? They don’t personally set the salary scale . The salary is determined between negotiations of the teacher union and the school board ( either appointed or elected in individual districts ) . THE TARGET IS THE SCHOOL BOARD. It is only natural for a person wanting a teaching job to apply to districts that pay a lot of $$.

BTW, teachers don’t get paid for the summer .They are paid for a 180-85 day year and it is not their fault how much they make .


26 posted on 11/09/2011 9:12:46 AM PST by Renegade
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To: boycott
Teachers come up with a lesson plan one year and repeat it every year for 25 years. It’s all about passing the standardized tests.

Not in elementary school they don't. And they don't get summer off, not any more. The teacher I know best works year round and when school is in session leaves home at 6:45 and gets home after 6:00 and does another 1 to 2 hours work.

I'm not commenting on pay, but this is not a job for goldbricks.

27 posted on 11/09/2011 9:25:17 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Considering the fact that about half of their students don’t graduate,yes they’re overpaid.


28 posted on 11/09/2011 9:28:46 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: ConservativeStatement
Me, I think people who work for conservative think tanks are overpaid. And I don't even know what they make.

No problem, Gary, because you don't pay them.

29 posted on 11/09/2011 9:50:40 AM PST by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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To: Tax-chick

+1


30 posted on 11/09/2011 9:56:53 AM PST by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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To: Mad Dawg
And they don't get summer off, not any more.

That might depend on where you live. I know teachers in AL, VA, IL and CA...all get a summer break. They start work a day or two before the students com back.

My wife is a school nurse and she gets a break in the summer...4 weeks off, work for 2, then off another 4 before school starts again.

31 posted on 11/09/2011 10:02:07 AM PST by Mr.Unique (Very generic, non-offensive, tagline.)
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To: Tax-chick
in a real job

Any job performed well and honestly is a real job.

32 posted on 11/09/2011 10:02:19 AM PST by Route797
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To: ConservativeStatement

If you base it on customer results, most teachers are overpaid. Some way overpaid.

If you base it on 9 months of work, most are overpaid. Some way overpaid.

If you base it on wages based on seniority and not ability, most are overpaid. Some way overpaid.

If you base it on including salary, healthcare and retirement benefits, most are overpaid, some way overpaid.

If you base it on the fact the average teacher makes 1 1/2 times in salary and benefits than the average taxpaying private worker, most are overpaid, some way overpaid.


33 posted on 11/09/2011 10:16:45 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Route797

True. Inadequate editing on my part.


34 posted on 11/09/2011 1:02:03 PM PST by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: 60Gunner

This ER nurse thanks you.


My father recently spent 5 days in surgical ICU and several more days in the hospital. He’s out of the hospital and doing okay now.

I have a new found respect for what nurses do. You guys are great.


35 posted on 11/09/2011 10:36:10 PM PST by boycott (CAL)
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To: Fresh Wind

I’ve confronted teachers with the time off argument as well and have gotten the same response. I think that is really lame and remind them that their pay for 9 months is more than most professionals make in a year. Teachers in my area get $50 to $75K per year so extrapolate the $75K for 9 months to 12 months and effectively they would be making $100K a year if they worked 12 months. I don’t begrudge teachers trying to make a good living and the good ones do work hard but I just wish they would acknowledge that relative to other professions, they get a lot of perks and their pay, if broken down by the hour is pretty damned good.


36 posted on 08/31/2013 7:05:50 PM PDT by Cruise Director
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To: ConservativeStatement

Considering the product they turn out they should have to pay to keep destroying minds!


37 posted on 08/31/2013 7:23:08 PM PDT by dalereed
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