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DOT makes workers take down flag
Quad City Times ^ | 11/11/11 | Barb Ickes

Posted on 11/12/2011 6:45:56 AM PST by Winstons Julia

The surreal part of the article:

About 30 minutes before Brandl ordered Old Glory removed from its elevated perch, Snyder said the bridge workers intended to take it down after the holiday weekend.

But Brandl said safety could not wait. "It was not authorized, and we do not need the distraction," he said, adding, "I can't imagine who it would offend, but I do not want controversy."


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: americanflag; dot; flag; oldglory

1 posted on 11/12/2011 6:45:59 AM PST by Winstons Julia
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To: Winstons Julia
"I can't imagine who it would offend, but I do not want controversy."

And right there, in a nutshell, is the problem.

2 posted on 11/12/2011 6:49:15 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (Tagline typed on a closed keyboard. Do not attempt. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: ozark hilljilly

It’s so sad that you kind of laugh bittersweetly.


3 posted on 11/12/2011 6:50:29 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: ozark hilljilly

“Controversy” brings lawsuits. Maybe we need a law to regulate lawyers ....


4 posted on 11/12/2011 6:51:38 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Winstons Julia
I've been around a lot of construction and every (especially) high iron job has a flag.

I've been around a lot of drilling rigs and every rig has a flag

The frack tanks have flags and a few of us had flags between our teactor and the trailor (sand can)

I've passed a few flags in my travels and I have given a military salute and held it 'til I passed by.


This article is just another piece of evidence varifying how deep the enemy is embedded in our culture/politics and lives.

5 posted on 11/12/2011 6:52:52 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Winstons Julia

Brandl, The Man Without a Country


6 posted on 11/12/2011 6:57:31 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: Winstons Julia

The article says “IDOT”.

I think they misspelled it: “IDiOT” seems more appropriate.

And the iron workers quiesced? Pu$$ies.


7 posted on 11/12/2011 7:03:15 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: QBFimi

That last word there was my exact thought.


8 posted on 11/12/2011 7:07:31 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: QBFimi

Whoops - acquiesced


9 posted on 11/12/2011 7:09:35 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: ozark hilljilly

I bet if it were the gay (fag) rights flag all would be ok.


10 posted on 11/12/2011 7:14:33 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: knarf
A co-worker of mine, Marine vet from Desert Storm, yesterday sent an email to everyone in our company (a few hundred people):

“this is the day for thanks and a day to remember the ones that that made it home and the ones that gave all for their country..it is my belief that all veterans should have the day off with pay. this is the day that i remember my father who fought in Vietnam and did not make it home and the Marines that i fought with and bled with. some of whom did not make it home. the price for freedom is not free.thanks to all that have and are serving for this great country of ours. god bless america. Cpl. xxxxxx x. xxxxxxxxx USMC retired”

Shortly thereafter the plant manager took him aside and said, in effect, if he ever sent out an email like that again he would be summarily fired. Probably the part about “day off with pay” set him off. The email “to all” reached up to the highest corporate levels.

11 posted on 11/12/2011 7:24:35 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: Winstons Julia

Too bad they didn’t simply reposition the flag to the Illinois side of the span and tell Brandl to go buy a vowel (in slightly harsher language).


13 posted on 11/12/2011 7:32:34 AM PST by NonValueAdded (At 4 AM, it is a test; at 2 PM, it is a demonstration)
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To: Winstons Julia


14 posted on 11/12/2011 7:37:05 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

...he should write another email referring to the first email and resend it explaining he meant for him alone and if he upset anyone previously he was truly sorry and because he was threaten with termination he thought it best to let everyone know and wanted to clear it up.....

(now you know why I’ve been suspended a few times....of course recovering pay at a later date))


15 posted on 11/12/2011 7:40:42 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Certainly wish I had the plant manager’s email address. He would get an e-mail from me that would really blister his butt from the get-go. What a dimwitted jerk he must be!


16 posted on 11/12/2011 7:45:41 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: ozark hilljilly
And right there, in a nutshell, is the problem.

Very true. Somewhere along the line "land of opportunity" got perverted into "land free of offense." Well excuse me people, no-one ever promised you a life where no-one would offend your delicate sensibilities. In fact, such a promise cannot be made, well, cannot be kept.

In short people, you are going to be offended. Guess what, you are going to offend others, intentionally or not. Get over it you worthless pantiwastes. Go cry to your mother, 'cause I guarantee you no-one else really gives a damn.

As to the specific case here. If anyone, at any time, any day, and in any setting, is offended by our flag ... fine. The border exits are open, you are free to leave, but old glory is not coming down to suit your tastes - ever.

17 posted on 11/12/2011 7:50:45 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Care to name the company so I can be sure I never buy anything from them?

Incidentally, the privately owned company I worked for used to hold a company meeting on Veterans Day and honor all the vets. They sold out to a venture capital firm out of Boston. Most of the vets got terminated and replaced by kids just out of college, They no longer honor the few who are left.


18 posted on 11/12/2011 7:51:40 AM PST by anoldafvet (Sarah, you broke a lot of our hearts but we still love you.)
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To: Winstons Julia

Who knew our flag was a distraction?


19 posted on 11/12/2011 7:54:38 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Common sense although common knowledge is seldom common practice.)
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To: Doogle

“reply to all”:
Cpl. xxxxxx x. xxxxxxxxx -

Thank you for your remarks regarding Veterans Day. It is clearly a matter of the highest import that men like yourself have, thoughout our history, sacrificed greatly to keep us free.

As for a day off, whether with or without pay I believe it is best for each of us to honor the day in our own way while using the very freedoms we enjoy. As such, you are free to take the day off with pay by making it one of your vacation days. I’ve done that on September 11 a couple times. Understand, however, that whenever you miss a day here, you are missed.

Lastly, I see that you’ve communicated your remarks on a wide scale, including everyone in the company. This may be met with a some resistance inasmuch as the “send to all” function is reserved for matters pertaining to business. Should anyone confront you about this please understand it is simply a matter of discipline on a much smaller scale than you’ve endured as a soldier.

Regards,

xxxx x. xxxxx


20 posted on 11/12/2011 8:04:40 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: anoldafvet
I've known this retired Marine for a few years, working side by side with him every day. He also happens to be an orphan who has a wild streak in him. I let a lot of things slide if only on account of knowing his past.

My take on the plant manager's reaction is that he is exceedingly conscientious when it comes to policy matters, believing the “send to all” function is reserved for business announcements only. He's probably the only one in the company who said anything. If I were him I would have worded things a little less strongly while agreeing with the import of Corporal's remarks. Oh well.

Our company was privately owned until October 2009. Bought out by a larger entity. Things are not the same, for sure. Go back two decades we had company wide Christmas parties on plant turf with [gasp!] beer and whiskey around.

21 posted on 11/12/2011 8:30:54 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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22 posted on 11/12/2011 8:36:07 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Winstons Julia

I an an engineer working for Caltrans, the California state DOT. It is California state policy not to allow any advertisements or flags or anything to be attached to California state bridges.

On the face of it, it is stupid. In the old days you could fly Old Glory and that would be that. Or you could put up a sign “Merry Christmas”. Same deal. That would be that.

Today, the ACLU will sue you into oblivion and win, allowing every nutcase from fags to neo-nazis to put up their flags any time they want. All we would have to do is give explicit permission for a contractor to post Old Glory on a California bridge, and after that, you would have to allow the gag glag (Rainbow flag) or the nazi flag. Here in California, the massive hispanic population would be flying the Mexican flag from every bridge.

The problem is not that DOTs & States are not patriotic or don’t want old Glory. The problem is that the USA has embraced modern insanity where common sense is dead and you have to constantly play defense against lawsuits and litigation for everything from big dollars, to just outright flaming stupidity like this.

If the voters would unelect all the socialist and moron activist commie politicians, and elect conservatives and other politicians who reflect common sense and solid core values, then this would not even be an issue.

As long as the USA continues to circle the toilet bowl, allowing the inmates to run the asylum, this is the kind of insane idiocy that will dictate terms to us. Things are only getting worse. More lawsuits. More stupidity. Less common sense.

Pray for this nation before it is too late.


23 posted on 11/12/2011 8:36:27 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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To: Winstons Julia

By the way, this applies ONLY to our state bridges & roads & things. If the contractor wants to suspend Old Glory high above our bridge from his work crane, that is absolutely fine. That is his property and he can run 500 US flags from it if he wants. They always had lit up Christmas trees dangling from the cranes, and that was perfectly allowable. The contractor can post anything he wants, as long as it isn’t illegal.

Of course if he posted a nazi flag, we would probably get quick direction from the police that he was disturbing the peace and we would have to direct him to take it down. But he can hang US flags from his cranes and equipment all day and all night. He just can’t hang it from our bridges, for the reason already stated about us having to then let allow flying the gay flag, nazi flag and Mexican flags and all others.


24 posted on 11/12/2011 8:40:40 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

It is not a question of who is offended. The problem is that we have thousands of nutcase activists who know how to beat us through the court system, from real law to liberal judicial activists. If you fly the flag on a bridge, then you have to legally allow anybody to fly any flag on off that bridge — gay pride, nazi flag, pink cancer flag, New York Jets football flag. There is no just selecting one type on state property. That is insane, but that is the result the commie activists have gotten through the courts.


25 posted on 11/12/2011 8:45:21 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I disagree. If CalTrans has a written policy that only allows the U.S. flag and the flag of the State of California to be flown it is as a result of a political subdivision, not a political statement. Using your argument, then any nutjob organization could demand a gay pride flag be flown above the California Statehouse ( I AM assuming it’s not there already.)

Too many people run from the conflict. Every time they run, the left gets bolder. That’s what I like about Cain. He calls it like he sees it and is not afraid to be politically incorrect.


26 posted on 11/12/2011 9:47:30 AM PST by offduty ("There are stupid people running this country" Herman Cain CPAC 2011)
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To: offduty

You can disagree until the cows come home but it won’t change the facts.

Putting a state or national flag on a public building is the one very obvious exception to this rule. I think the ACLU loses here ONLY on the grounds that this is long held historic tradition — which is also why government bodies can say a prayer opening that session of congress or whathaveyou. Trying leading off a bridge ribbon-cutting ceremony with an introductory prayer and see how fast the ACLU crushes you with a lawsuit to allow Muslims to get equal time at all future ribbon-cutting ceremonies.

See what I mean?

Don’t get me wrong. Governments can do whatever they want to do, but they will get sued by the ACLU to allow every asinine group of morons to be able to post anything they want. This is why liberals can always fly the UN flag anywhere they want. There is no conservative ACLU running around the nation suing them for EVERY INSTANCE of hoisting the UN flag and demanding equal treatment, like hoist the “Don’t tread on me” flag next to it.

Liberals fight dirty and are indefatigable. Conservatives are doomed until we learn to be street fighters.

Look at the Occupy protests. The Tea Party is nice and pays a fee to get a permit to protest. The Occupy people are lawless squatters. Right now every single Tea Party group should be suing every state that has allowed the Occupy group to protest without a permit — they should sue for return of all fees immediately with damages. If Occupy can protest without playing by the rules then the Tea Parties of each state should push for a class-action suit for each state for a full refund of all expenses from fees to the cost of food and porta-potties.

This is why you can’t fly the US flag on a bridge. We’ve let the commie libs win because they are just tenacious ruthless street-fighters.


27 posted on 11/12/2011 12:36:52 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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