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Bill O’Reilly’s ‘Lincoln’ Book Banned From Ford’s Theatre Because Of ‘Mistakes’ ["Sloppy"]
Washington Post ^ | November 12, 2011 | Steven Levingston

Posted on 11/12/2011 9:19:45 PM PST by Steelfish

Bill O’Reilly’s ‘Lincoln’ Book Banned From Ford’s Theatre Because Of ‘Mistakes’

By Steven Levingston November 12

Of all the places you’d expect to find Bill O’Reilly’s new history “Killing Lincoln: The Shocking Assassination That Changed America Forever,” Ford’s Theatre — the site of the dreadful act — should rank right at the top. But you’d do better to search for the bestseller on Amazon because it has been banned from the theater’s store.

The crime? O’Reilly and his co-author Martin Dugard have displayed a serial disregard for historical fact.

For a purported history of the assassination — an “unsanitized and uncompromising ... no spin American story,” as the authors put it, “Killing Lincoln” is sloppy with the facts and slim on documentation, according to a study conducted by Rae Emerson, the deputy superintendent of Ford’s Theatre National Historic Site, which is a unit of the National Park Service.

Other Lincoln experts also have sounded off. In a review published in the November issue of “North & South — The Official Magazine of the Civil War Society,” historian Edward Steers Jr. cites many instances where the book strays from documented history, then asks, “If the authors made mistakes in names, places, and events, what else did they get wrong? How can the reader rely on anything that appears in ‘Killing Lincoln’”?

By taking on Lincoln, O’Reilly and Dugard have set themselves up for avid scrutiny. Few presidents, indeed few subjects, are as voluminously researched and fought over as Lincoln, and have as many amateur and professional specialists eager to display their startling command of minutiae. Steers notes that more than 16,000 books and articles have been written about Lincoln, with more than 125 volumes on the assassination.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature
KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; billoreilly; edwardsteersjr; elitistgasbag; fail; fordstheatre; killinglincoln; leprechaun; loofahman; martindugard; ouramericancousin; pages; raeemerson; tedbaxter

1 posted on 11/12/2011 9:19:46 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

When did the communist left decide to be concerned about revisionist history? They’ve been preaching it for 50 years. What little American history still being taught in “schools” is nothing but pure bovine scatology.


2 posted on 11/12/2011 9:25:15 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Steelfish

How unprofessional. Wonder if BOR plays fast and loose with his ‘facts’ as he puts together his dog and pony show on FOX as well.


3 posted on 11/12/2011 9:29:59 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Doesn't anyone love liberty anymore?)
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To: Steelfish

4 posted on 11/12/2011 9:45:44 PM PST by stormer
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To: Steelfish
I can't understand why O'Reilly felt the need to write another book about Lincoln in the first place. Interesting subject, to be sure, but misguided. The history is well-documented.

O'Reilly isn't someone I would turn to for original information. Everything he does is derivative even when he's quite correct about things he's willing to pontificate about.

I had hoped this WaPo piece would be more informative about the poor scholarship. The acreage of Dr. Mudd's farm? The number of times Our American Cousin had played at Fords before the fateful interrupted performance? I can dismiss those sorts of irrelevancies by concluding O'Reilly's book is like a lot of his work. An arrested adolescent's equivalent to children's literature, as O'Reilly would dismiss them, "for 'the Folks.'"

5 posted on 11/12/2011 9:51:53 PM PST by Prospero
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Thanks Steelfish.

http://edsteers.com/

“Edward Steers, Jr. a renown [sic] author in American history, including Abraham Lincoln, John Wilkes Booth, Lincoln’s Assassination, World War II and the Home Front.”

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lincoln/steers-bio.html

Edward Steers, Jr., talked about his book, Blood on the Moon: The Assassination of Abraham Lincoln
C-SPAN Video Library
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/168016-1


6 posted on 11/12/2011 9:52:00 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Steelfish
O’Reilly is a pompous blowhard mistake, period.
7 posted on 11/12/2011 9:57:19 PM PST by Sea Parrot
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To: MichaelCorleone

The article does not give one example of an error. One person admitted that he had not read the book. Article is critical for the book’s lack of footnotes.... Which is stunning since this article had no support... Did you read the article?


8 posted on 11/12/2011 9:58:56 PM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Steelfish

Only thing you got to know about Lincolns assasination was he was killed by a famous actor who go his career from his daddy, who hated Republicans, and wanted the Government to keep blacks enslaved. In essence Sean Penn.


9 posted on 11/12/2011 10:16:44 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: Steelfish

I also noticed there was a book about Lincoln the Vampire Slayer.


10 posted on 11/12/2011 10:28:05 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Steelfish

Ted Baxter strikes again!


11 posted on 11/12/2011 10:39:02 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I’d be interested to see hear Mark Levin’s father’s take on it. He himself authored a book about Lincoln. I’d trust his view more than this article but it doesn’t surprise me. O’Reilly is arrogant and if this is true, probably believed no one would call him on it.


12 posted on 11/12/2011 10:39:42 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (Hello, Hello...Remember me... I'm everything you can't control...)
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To: 11th Commandment
Did you read the article?

Your comments saved me from doing so, thank you.

13 posted on 11/12/2011 10:43:46 PM PST by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: Steelfish

Well, the Washington Post gets facts wrong and misspells words every freaking day. I guess that means we should ignore everything you print because of it.


14 posted on 11/12/2011 10:44:45 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Steelfish
I would never read O'Reilly's book.

But, the WaPo's writer can't write, himself.

"According to Steers, the authors misidentified theater owner John Ford’s chief carpenter as James J. Clifford when his name actually was James J. Gifford."

15 posted on 11/12/2011 10:46:44 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Correction.

HE can write. I CAN’T READ.

IT’S LATE.


16 posted on 11/12/2011 10:48:32 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Steelfish

Levingston didn’t have a problem with the liar who wrote a book about Sarah Palin...

http://inthearena.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/23/steven-levingston-new-tell-all-book-on-sarah-palin-by-former-confidant-frank-bailey-expresses-an-insiders-loss-of-faith/


17 posted on 11/12/2011 10:50:01 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

This is the result of amateur historians fishing in waters that are way in over their head.


18 posted on 11/12/2011 10:50:45 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: 11th Commandment

Not having any footnotes alone seems like a strong mark against the book. I know that more and more pop history books don’t bother documenting their sources, but it also strikes me as a poor practice that cheapens a book. From the article, it also seems like it was also sloppily researched, based mostly off of second or third hand sources, as opposed to the myriads of original information, legal documentation, and interviews out there.


19 posted on 11/12/2011 10:50:50 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: Steelfish

What a scam! According to the article, Bill O’Reilly “researched” his book by reading all of the other books written about Lincoln and then wrote his book. Seriously, what new information could O’Reilly possibly reveal? All of the players have been dead for 100 years or more!

I feel sorry for all of the genuine historians without famous names that did all of the hard work and actually researched their books just to see O’Reilly take their work and re-word it into a best-seller and make millions while doing it. Plus, he’s going to “write” two more books!

Another thing, his TV show seems like a commercial for his books. I can’t turn the channel quick enough when he’s plugging his books. He no sooner finishes plugging the last book and he’s then plugging the next one.


20 posted on 11/13/2011 12:16:59 AM PST by dupree
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To: MichaelCorleone
How unprofessional. Wonder if BOR plays fast and loose with his ‘facts’ as he puts together his dog and pony show on FOX as well.

Unprofessional, Newbie?

I notice that the detractors, classic bureaucrats all, are long on generalities and short on specifics.

I wonder if their own books have sold as well.
Who are these historical giants?

One final thought. I read about 75 books a year, equally divided between fiction and non-fiction.
Damn, I have just made a research error. Can't divide 75 books equally in half. But I don't care.

I have yet to read a single book that did not have an error of fact, grammar, spelling or typo. I have never written a book or won a Pulitzer Prize, but I manage to find the "faulty research." I also manage to enjoy most books.

21 posted on 11/13/2011 12:42:36 AM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

“How unprofessional. Wonder if BOR plays fast and loose with his ‘facts’ as he puts together his dog and pony show on FOX as well.”

OReilly cherry picks a word or sentence, changes the context and then makes his point.


22 posted on 11/13/2011 1:13:02 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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To: Steelfish

My wife bought me one of his books several years ago. It was terrible. Many of the “points” were infantile.


23 posted on 11/13/2011 2:56:05 AM PST by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: GeronL

thanks for making me laugh!


24 posted on 11/13/2011 3:22:11 AM PST by gattaca (Great things can be accomplished if you don't care who gets the credit. Ronald Reagan)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

No! John Wilkes Booth was the handsomest stage matinee of his day and a very good actor. He came from an acting family so it’s not surprising he went into the business. Now a complete political idiot, yes, but neither a bad actor or a nepotist.


25 posted on 11/13/2011 3:46:13 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Steelfish

His name is mudd now...


26 posted on 11/13/2011 3:52:18 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

What’s wrong with that sentence?


27 posted on 11/13/2011 3:55:35 AM PST by firebrand (It's almost too late.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Sorry. Didn’t read the next post.


28 posted on 11/13/2011 3:57:07 AM PST by firebrand (It's almost too late.)
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To: Steelfish
I have heard that Michael Kauffman's American Brutus is extremely well researched. Random House published it, as opposed to the equally estimable Holt, which did O'Reilly's book. Sometimes the schedule does not permit the checking that needs to be done.
29 posted on 11/13/2011 4:08:39 AM PST by firebrand (It's almost too late.)
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To: Steelfish

I didn’t realize the editors of the magazine “North and South...” are communists.


30 posted on 11/13/2011 4:23:17 AM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: Steelfish; All

Off topic

Putting together some books for a 14 year old boy for Christmas. Bishop’s “The Day Lincoln Was Shot” is on that list. I read it at about that age (more than 50 years ago) and am wondering if it is still considered “non-fiction” today, or should I drop it from my list?

Thanks in advance


31 posted on 11/13/2011 5:15:59 AM PST by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Now that is funny.


32 posted on 11/13/2011 5:16:14 AM PST by NH Red
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To: Prospero

“The history is well-documented.”

But is it true?


33 posted on 11/13/2011 5:21:00 AM PST by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: Roccus

The older the book, the less politically correct it is likely to be.


34 posted on 11/13/2011 9:58:54 AM PST by firebrand (It's almost too late.)
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To: Steelfish
Off-topic question: Has anyone read or started reading Seal Target Geronimo? I am about halfway through. His war writing is wonderful, but I am in the historical part now and am wondering how accurate and/or objective it is.
35 posted on 11/13/2011 10:02:05 AM PST by firebrand (It's almost too late.)
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To: stormer

36 posted on 11/13/2011 10:04:40 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: 11th Commandment
The article does not give one example of an error. One person admitted that he had not read the book. Article is critical for the book’s lack of footnotes.... Which is stunning since this article had no support... Did you read the article?

Yes, I read the article. While no specifics were given, the fact that Ford's Theatre banned it is pretty strong anecdotal evidence that BOR did a lousy job.

From the WP article: ‘Other Lincoln experts also have sounded off. In a review published in the November issue of “North & South — The Official Magazine of the Civil War Society,” historian Edward Steers Jr. cites many instances where the book strays from documented history, then asks, “If the authors made mistakes in names, places, and events, what else did they get wrong? How can the reader rely on anything that appears in ‘Killing Lincoln’”?’

You say the article had no support - how about Edward Steers Jr.? Didn't you read the article???

37 posted on 11/13/2011 10:22:25 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Doesn't anyone love liberty anymore?)
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To: Publius6961
“Unprofessional, Newbie?”

Yep, unprofessional. Someone of BOR’s age and experience should have seen to it that the book was written correctly. Hard to believe that ‘North and South’ magazine would be so critical if there wasn't something to it. Are you insinuating the criticism is politically motivated?

As far as being a ‘newbie’, I've been around long enough to know that BOR is a pompous blowhard who does not do FOX or conservatives any favors.

38 posted on 11/13/2011 10:34:04 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Doesn't anyone love liberty anymore?)
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To: dfwgator

I guess he wants to do it live...


39 posted on 11/13/2011 11:23:30 AM PST by stormer
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To: firebrand

That was my thought also, just wasn’t sure.

Thanks


40 posted on 11/13/2011 3:16:37 PM PST by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: MichaelCorleone
From the WP article: ‘Other Lincoln experts also have sounded off. In a review published in the November issue of “North & South — The Official Magazine of the Civil War Society,” historian Edward Steers Jr. cites many instances where the book strays from documented history, then asks, “If the authors made mistakes in names, places, and events, what else did they get wrong? How can the reader rely on anything that appears in ‘Killing Lincoln’”?’

Can the author of this article give one example from the North and South article? Or is that too much to ask from a Journalist? Yes I did read the post and I also earched the net. The same story is posted everywhere, but I did find one source that stated the Steers' article contains a list of ten errors. It seems you have to subscribe to North and South magazine to read the original article. Steers bases his 10 errors on when BOR ues source material the he does not agree with or considers a secondary source.

So once again a journalist repeats a claim and does not research or find a secondary source. And we wonder how the Media gets away with the Cain harassment coverage... they do it all the time.

41 posted on 11/14/2011 8:44:30 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Steelfish

Ford’s Theater IS selling the book.’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-oreilly-fords-theater-is-selling-his-lincoln-book-despite-minor-misstatements/


42 posted on 11/15/2011 1:28:44 PM PST by SMGFan
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