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Gingrich Takes The Lead (Was the candidate to beat Obama there all along?)
Public Policy Polling ^ | November 14, 2011 | Tom Jensen

Posted on 11/14/2011 1:50:04 PM PST by Patrick1

Newt Gingrich has taken the lead in PPP's national polling. He's at 28% to 25% for Herman Cain and 18% for Mitt Romney. The rest of the Republican field is increasingly looking like a bunch of also rans: Rick Perry is at 6%, Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul at 5%, Jon Huntsman at 3%, and Gary Johnson and Rick Santorum each at 1%.

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After the laughable flirtation with Bachmann, the wishful thinking on Palin and Christie, the Paulbots, the Perry bubble and the Cain fling...there stands Mr. Newt.

I'm not a Gingrich fan and there are questions I would need answered before going all in for him as the nominee. But there he stands as the voting is set to begin next month. He is clearly the best debater, more conservative than Romney and hates the MSM. Was the candidate of our dreams there all along?

What say you FR? I'm not Gingrich fan

1 posted on 11/14/2011 1:50:06 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: Patrick1

Allow me to answer your questions on the beltway insider Newt

First Amend, NOT!!!
Newt Gingrich Co-Sponsored the 1987 Pro-Fairness Doctrine Bill
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/29/newt-gingrich-co-sponsored-the-1987-pro-fairness-doctrine-bill/

Howard Dean Endorses Newt
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-25/politics/gingrich.dean_1_newt-gingrich-gingrich-candidacy-howard-dean?_s=PM:POLITICS

Stop the Insanity say no to Newt
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-10/politics/30381368_1_newt-gingrich-conservatives-herman-cain

Newt with his BFFS Princess Nancy, Kerry and Al Sharpton
http://www.mofopolitics.com/2011/11/09/friendly-reminder-newt-gingrich-is-a-rino-wimp-and-a-scumbag/

Newt loves HC mandates always has
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/05/13/newt-gingrich-long-time-supporter-of-health-insurance-mandates/3/


2 posted on 11/14/2011 1:54:20 PM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Patrick1
Neither am I. He is a fantastic debater -- I loved his jousting with Pelley the other night -- but his actions have rarely lived up to his words. He wants very much to be seen as a uniter, and, in D.C., that usually means Republicans give in to Democrats.

Great mind, though. I wouldn't take that away from him. Just won't vote for him if I have a choice.

3 posted on 11/14/2011 1:55:10 PM PST by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Patrick1
I am a Gingrich fan, but haven't considered him for president because of some of his faux pasThat said, he is clearly the most intelligent of the GOP field. Like many highly intelligent people, he is often strange and unpredictable.

He would mop the floor with Obama in a debate, but how would he govern? Frankly, I just don't know.

4 posted on 11/14/2011 1:56:41 PM PST by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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To: Patrick1
newt is untrustworthy and when you need him most... he will stab you in the back. Do you really have to ask? Is he better than obama? Yes... but so is a case of herpes.

LLS

5 posted on 11/14/2011 1:56:57 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Patrick1
I am a Gingrich fan, but haven't considered him for president because of some of his faux pas and his personal failures.

That said, he is clearly the most intelligent of the GOP field. Like many highly intelligent people, he is often strange and unpredictable.

He would mop the floor with Obama in a debate, but how would he govern? Frankly, I just don't know.

6 posted on 11/14/2011 1:58:26 PM PST by Dr. Thorne (Fall on your knees before Christ, your only salvation!)
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To: Patrick1

“He is clearly the best debater, more conservative than Romney and hates the MSM. “

So?

Debates aren’t the election.

Can he draw a crowd? ENTHUSIASTIC crowd.

Can he transcend the MSM wall that will be coming at him?

How is going to handle the flack he didn’t handle in the late 90s?

We are looking for a nominee to beat Obama, not to be a really cool AM talk radio host.


7 posted on 11/14/2011 1:58:26 PM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Dr. Thorne and LLS sum it up well for me.

I really wish we had someone better.

Reaching across the aisle ONCE is too many, Newt.


8 posted on 11/14/2011 2:00:31 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Patrick1

Better than Romney.

Probably the smartest of the bunch, but lots of heavy personal baggage. The key will be what happens when the media/dems launch their smear campaign against him.

So far, the media has succeeded in heavily damaging every single candidate who takes the lead other than their preferred RINO (Romney). Gingrich is tough and quick on his feet, but they will have plenty of fodder to work with.


9 posted on 11/14/2011 2:01:03 PM PST by EternalHope (Politicians will always let you down. -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Patrick1

I think Newt is the guy! He is not only “presidential” but has an untouchable command of the issues. I love Cain too, but because of his lack of experience (what I love him for) and knowledge of global security type issues...I cant vote for him.


10 posted on 11/14/2011 2:01:11 PM PST by TheGunny
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To: Patrick1

He’s got my vote.


11 posted on 11/14/2011 2:01:17 PM PST by samtheman
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To: VanDeKoik

We are running out of people on any of those items you listed, which may explain the Gingrich rise.


12 posted on 11/14/2011 2:01:37 PM PST by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: BfloGuy

At this point... If you ain’t for Newt then you must be for Romney... Cause that’s where your sentiments are going to lead...

The Cain Trains appears to be headed in the wrong direction down the tracks... And appearances suggest that it may never pull into the station...

So your viable choices may indeed end up being Newt or Mitt... So who’s it going to be?


13 posted on 11/14/2011 2:03:03 PM PST by TBBT
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To: Patrick1

Dede Scozzafava


14 posted on 11/14/2011 2:03:15 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: Patrick1

Cain is still a better candidate. The MSM is cheering Gingrich for a reason. The best candidate is the one who will go after zer0 on his ineligibility and the midstream media knows Newt won’t. They are scared to death Cain will.


15 posted on 11/14/2011 2:03:36 PM PST by kreitzer
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To: Patrick1

Well... NO, actually. I agree that he’s fun to watch in debates; but I really see little reason to trust him with the leadership of the country. My dream scenario would be for Newt and Chris Christie to join the last GOP debate, pound everybody senseless, and then resign quietly to their day jobs, leaving the leadership position to those who are more committed to conservatism. :)


16 posted on 11/14/2011 2:04:02 PM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: EternalHope

Actually his baggage doesnt matter because the media/msdnc will just lie anyway. Cain hates woman, Romney hates dogs,Bachmanns husband hates gays, Perry is stupid etc...
Paul is a fruitcake well they are right about that


17 posted on 11/14/2011 2:05:58 PM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: Fred
That is a tough one. Newt is by far, the most experienced and knowledgeable candidate in many years. As you point out, his past has as many wrinkles as Broom Hilda's face.

If it comes down to a dire emergency like the one we will soon have in the Middle East, then there is nobody better than Newt to handle it or than who knows precisely what action to take.

Has Newt seen the light? Has he turned over a new leaf and learned to listen to Conservative principles and traditional values? It's possible. He has repeatedly failed to do so all through his past? Absolutely. So picking him as our candidate will come as a great risk.

But with what this country is faced with in the coming years. It may be a risk we cannot afford not to take.

18 posted on 11/14/2011 2:06:04 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Patrick1
You list yourself as the author but the referenced blog says
"Posted by Tom Jensen at 12:30 PM"
Hmmmm. Are you trying to claim credit for a blog poll you had nothing to do with?

If so, doesn't that make you a scumsucking liar?

Just asking.

19 posted on 11/14/2011 2:06:54 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Patrick1

He hasn’t taken any lead here in ML/NJville.

ML/NJ


20 posted on 11/14/2011 2:07:34 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Patrick1

I am starting to get real uneasy about 2012. Here we have probably the most flawed incumbent in the history of the Republic, and Gingrich is the best we can run against him?

I’m also really pissed @ Mitch Daniels, Haley Barbour, Chris Christie, and yes, Sarah too, for staying on the sidelines.


21 posted on 11/14/2011 2:08:35 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: TBBT

BS

The MSM has got 2 whole months to destroy Gingrich. And unlike the lies they’ve tried to smear Cain with, there’s actual baggage with Gingrich.

I know what you people are thinking. That Newt’s going to take Obama behind the woodshed in the 3 debates next year? Oh really, you mean the same way he took John Kerry behind the woodshed in a debate on climate change?

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265073,00.html

Newt has the same problem as Romney, a lack of trust.


22 posted on 11/14/2011 2:08:50 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: humblegunner

The poll is on the sited PPP website.

I’m the author of this post.

thanks.


23 posted on 11/14/2011 2:10:45 PM PST by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: Patrick1

Long way to go. Real test is fund raising. Last I heard Cain is sustsaining the momentum he enjoyed last week when conservatives collectively and loudly gave the finger to the RINO and demrat faux scandal. More importantly they sent him lots of money.

Got a new accuser this week. I have to ante up to Cain again. I have pledged to donate each time Cain’s opponents invent a new “witness”.

The scandal ploy failed. Now their going back to the oucome based poll ploy. On to it. Not impressed.


24 posted on 11/14/2011 2:13:43 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: Patrick1

Long way to go. Real test is fund raising. Last I heard Cain is sustsaining the momentum he enjoyed last week when conservatives collectively and loudly gave the finger to the RINO and demrat faux scandal. More importantly they sent him lots of money.

Got a new accuser this week. I have to ante up to Cain again. I have pledged to donate each time Cain’s opponents invent a new “witness”.

The scandal ploy failed. Now their going back to the oucome based poll ploy. On to it. Not impressed.


25 posted on 11/14/2011 2:13:50 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: Patrick1

Long way to go. Real test is fund raising. Last I heard Cain is sustsaining the momentum he enjoyed last week when conservatives collectively and loudly gave the finger to the RINO and demrat faux scandal. More importantly they sent him lots of money.

Got a new accuser this week. I have to ante up to Cain again. I have pledged to donate each time Cain’s opponents invent a new “witness”.

The scandal ploy failed. Now their going back to the oucome based poll ploy. On to it. Not impressed.


26 posted on 11/14/2011 2:14:04 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: Patrick1

We are running out of people on any of those items you listed”

That is precisely the problem.

We can all moan about how there is not this or that in this field.

But there are only a few realistic non-Romney choices left now. Strangely, Newt is one of them.


27 posted on 11/14/2011 2:16:32 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

I’m also really pissed @ Mitch Daniels, Haley Barbour, Chris Christie, and yes, Sarah too, for staying on the sidelines.”

Don’t forget Jindal, John Thune and probably many others....


28 posted on 11/14/2011 2:18:54 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Patrick1
Negative.

You listed yourself as the author.

Public Policy Polling ^ | 11/14/2011 | Patrick1

See? Right after the date? That's the box for the author.

You claim authorship.

29 posted on 11/14/2011 2:19:16 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Patrick1
President Cain with Newt as VP is not my first choice but I’ll take it.

Would much prefer Cain/Huck ’12 ..with Newt as Press Secretary.

Btw, fun tweets today you must admit:

Romney 48/39 fav is 6 month low. Just not capitalizing at all 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Romney over the last 5 months- July 20%, August 20%, September 18%, October 22%, November 18% 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Blame media game keeping Cain from sinking - 61% of GOPers think it has been ‘mostly unfair’ 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Why Cain is still at 25%? – 54% of GOP voters continue to think accusations against him are ‘mostly false’ 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Cain voters love Newt, don’t care for Romney or Perry… 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

Why Newtmentum might continue- fav with Cain voters is 73/21, compared to 33/55 for Mitt 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

30 posted on 11/14/2011 2:20:17 PM PST by CainConservative
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To: kreitzer

Exactly. The GOP and the MSM want Romney, but they would also love Newt. The only hope we have of a conservative winning the election is to nominate Cain.


31 posted on 11/14/2011 2:20:31 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: humblegunner

Sue me.


32 posted on 11/14/2011 2:22:47 PM PST by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: Patrick1

What I think is that Republicans
1.HAVE TO get behind a legitimate candidate and do it QUICKLY
2. THAT candidate will either be CAIN, ROMNEY or GINGRICH.
3.The MSM has made it clear FOR TWO YEARS, through spin with varying degress of subtlety,that ROMNEY is their candidate.
4. The Left has ALSO made it clear that Romney is their candidate, for the seemingly contradictory reasons that
he’s the most “moderate” and also doesn’t offer enough of a
contrast to Obama to make much of a difference. This is a big gamble on their part, but you can see their reasoning.
5. NO ONE will win the nomination without the Tea Party vote, and so far Cain is the only one who’s captured that,
his “sexual scandals” notwithstanding.
6. Everyone must also recognize by now that the Left is trading on the “baggage” both Gingrich and Cain carry is
enough to render them “unelectable”. This fits perfectly into the ongoing objective of making Romney the nominee.
7. NOBODY seems to have learned the lessons of the last election , which was, regardless of defeats, a huge success for this vast new constituency known as the Tea Party.
Cain’s unprecedented showing so far is owing precisely to this constituency, even as it looks like his “baggage” has been engineered to make him drop in the polls.
8. A Romney victory in primaries will create as much chaos
(though strictly of a political sort) in the Body Politic
as Obama being elected to the Presidency.
9. I have NO substantial idea how Romney could win the primaries except through a careful courting of “Independents” and/or disgruntled Obama voters looking
for someone to put a new faxe on what will basically be a continuation of sorts of Obama’s policies. Obama himself has been thoroughly discredited.
10. Last but not least, everyone also recognizes that Gingrich as a debater is what’s needed to destroy Obama.
He is the ONLY one confident and well-equipped enough to do that.He’s also the ONLY one calling for a whole series of serious debates which are designed to do just htat.
He will prove to be the ANTI-Obama if he can pull it off:
answering all the pseudo-idealistic piffle that got Obama elected, with real-world policy expertise.


33 posted on 11/14/2011 2:23:12 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Reddy

Amen


34 posted on 11/14/2011 2:23:27 PM PST by CainConservative
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To: TBBT

A write in. If this country needs to go to hell and back to recover it’s original glory as a Republic, so be it.

I have no problem standing on the front lines.


35 posted on 11/14/2011 2:23:44 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: humblegunner

I love the kinder, gentler version of you. =)


36 posted on 11/14/2011 2:26:53 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Patrick1

Then you need to write in “none” or “no author”.

Otherwise, it’s just stealing.


37 posted on 11/14/2011 2:29:18 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Patrick1

No Newt is good Newt.


38 posted on 11/14/2011 2:29:44 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Patrick1

Newt is a smart man, but he’s a one-worlder, and still believes in AGW.

He is also a beltway insider.

If he were sincere, which I don’t think he is, he could get a lot done.

He is just being put up by the elites to divide the conservative vote.

IMO, Newt stands no chance of winning the election.

Neither does Mitt.

I believe that’s the plan handed down from the elites.

The Republicans are determined to run another loser in the next election.


39 posted on 11/14/2011 2:30:20 PM PST by Westbrook
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To: Patrick1
Here's my prediction! If Cain tanks and Gingrich takes the sustained lead, he's next on the unfounded accusations scene. From other dalliances (real or not) to Callista's former boyfriends (with one or two 'real' married ones)....

Only the nasty claims, founded or not, will be operative and the 'seriousness' of the charges will prevail.

Meanwhile, Romney will go untouched [save the MormonISM zealots here at FR]......

40 posted on 11/14/2011 2:30:22 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: EternalHope; Patrick1
The key will be what happens when the media/dems launch their smear campaign against him.

Newt's very smart. He knows it's coming and apparently feels he can take the heat. If he can't he'll simply have to pass the torch.

I think there's method to his anti-media campaigning. Anyone who's been on magazine covers as "The Gingrich Who Stole Christmas" and "Uncle Scrooge" knows how the media roll. I suspect he has some interesting arrows hidden in his quiver. One of them is his insistence on Lincoln-Douglas type debates with Zero with no media interference. I hope he can manage it.

41 posted on 11/14/2011 2:32:34 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: TBBT

> If you ain’t for Newt then you must be for Romney.

I’m for neither.

They are both members of the Republican Establishment.

Either will sell us out in a heartbeat.

Both have done that before, and will do it again.

Besides, neither of them can beat 0bama0, and I believe that’s the plan.


42 posted on 11/14/2011 2:33:14 PM PST by Westbrook
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To: Patrick1
Sue me.

Why have you claimed to be the author of something you had nothing to do with?

Are you a scumsucking liar? Did you make a mistake about what you authored?

Have you authored so many polls that you just forgot that this one wasn't yours?

What's the story here?

43 posted on 11/14/2011 2:35:44 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: NoGrayZone
I love the kinder, gentler version of you.

So many do.

It was a total "win" marketing decision.

44 posted on 11/14/2011 2:37:42 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: Patrick1

People (I mean in general, not FR) are acting like they’ve discovered a new and exciting politician. Newt has been around for years, as we all know. I can’t help but see the ‘90s being played out again when his political opponents were able to define him in a very, very negative way. It would be a huge mistake to have Newt as the GOP nominee.


45 posted on 11/14/2011 2:39:43 PM PST by GOP_Harley_Guy
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To: humblegunner

I’d buy ya! =)


46 posted on 11/14/2011 2:40:07 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Patrick1

Newt is a disaster.

I don’t trust these PPP polls. But if Cain does get pulled down by all these lying presstitutes, Newt would be a lousy substitute.

We are long past the point where we can afford to vote for the least worst candidate.

Either Cain fends it off and continues to grow in stature, or it’s write-in time. And there’s only one candidate out there who could possibly bring it off. I think we all know who she is, although some Freepers would prefer it wasn’t so.


47 posted on 11/14/2011 2:53:32 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.2)
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To: Cicero

The Republican Party needs a reboot.


48 posted on 11/14/2011 2:54:15 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Patrick1

McCain II, but with more adultery and divorces.

Something like 40-50% of Americans hate him.

Yeah, that’s the guy.

I’d vote for him in November though.


49 posted on 11/14/2011 3:02:30 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Cicero

Is it PA-LIN, PA-LIN, PA-LIN?


50 posted on 11/14/2011 3:03:49 PM PST by truthfreedom
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